wilder is almost 32. this ain't getting better.

[Badhusker]

If those two would have improved his record, isn't that damning in itself?

Is it really damning if he signed to fight them and the WBC didn't allow the fight? Wilder wanted to fight Wlad too, but Wlad said you are going to have to fight someone else. Why did Wlad pick Joshua over Wilder? Must be a reason because he sparred with them both quite a bit. Why did Martin and H. Fury turn Wilder down? Is that damning too? Wilder needs a big opponent, no one argues with that, but for some to blame him 100% is not right.

His career reminds me a little of Brook's, who seemingly avoided the top welters. But was it really 100% his fault? None of us know who they all tried to get fights with, and were turned down. Risk vs reward is real in boxing.

What's damning is the suggestion that his record would look better with Charles Martin and Hughie Fury on it. Neither has any business being anywhere near a World Championship fight. However, they probably would improve Wilder's record - which just shows how bad the guys he has fought are.

I didn't say having Martin and fury on his resume would make it look better. I was talking about Povetkin and Ortiz. Learn to read.

[gp.]

Is it really damning if he signed to fight them and the WBC didn't allow the fight? Wilder wanted to fight Wlad too, but Wlad said you are going to have to fight someone else. Why did Wlad pick Joshua over Wilder? Must be a reason because he sparred with them both quite a bit. Why did Martin and H. Fury turn Wilder down? Is that damning too? Wilder needs a big opponent, no one argues with that, but for some to blame him 100% is not right.

His career reminds me a little of Brook's, who seemingly avoided the top welters. But was it really 100% his fault? None of us know who they all tried to get fights with, and were turned down. Risk vs reward is real in boxing.

What's damning is the suggestion that his record would look better with Charles Martin and Hughie Fury on it. Neither has any business being anywhere near a World Championship fight. However, they probably would improve Wilder's record - which just shows how bad the guys he has fought are.

I didn't say having Martin and fury on his resume would make it look better. I was talking about Povetkin and Ortiz. Learn to read.

What's funny is that if he had fought both Ortiz and Povetkin, (like he should have but not his fault they tested dirty) His resume would be arguably better than Joshua's, who went life and death with a 41 yr old Wlad that totally sucked in his previous fight. Wilder said Wlad turned down the fight with him before he fought Joshua. Not sure why he would lie about that, and I have not heard Wlad dispute it. Wilder also claimed he was turned down by several others, like Martin and H. Fury.
.

If those two would have improved his record, isn't that damning in itself?

You were talking about both. I bolded the two I was referring to. Learn to notice formatting.

[caldo2025]

Why would Wilder want to get out of that fight? Because AJ went life and death with a 41 yr old Wlad? I think Joshua right now may be the best in the division, but people are giving him way too much credit for his win over Wlad. One example; did Terry Norris get that much credit for totally dominating and shutting out a 34-35 yr old Sugar Ray Leonard? Not even close.To me that win is just the beginning for AJ, not an automatic lock as an ATG, like many here seem to think.

You apparently don't have much faith in a boxer like Wilder's mentality, or any boxer for that matter. A fight with AJ is exactly what he wants, and needs. AJ turned him down for Pulev. Wlad turned Wilder down for AJ. Does that make them afraid to fight Wilder? Hell no. There are a lot of other factors that play into it. The only fight I know of that Wilder turned down was Whyte, because Hearn promised him the AJ fight next, and was pissed off. I find it hilarious that you and others have some conspiracy theory that Wilder is behind his opponents testing dirty.

You don't seem to know what's going on. AJ has to fight Pulev he has no choice unless he drops the belt, the IBF gave him exemption to fight Wlad only.

You say Wilder made an offer to Wlad but I've not seen it so where's the link? Wilder didn't want Wlad or AJ he went to the fight and called out little Tony Bellew! Incredibly embarrassing, he went all the way to watch the kings of the division fight while he was trying to line up a fight with a cruiserweight. If he wants to fight AJ he shoulda got in the ring after the fight and done it like a man not wait until he goes home and talk poo.

I don't seem to know what is going on? You are obviously a part timer or not that smart to begin with to say Joshua HAD to fight Pulev, after saying he didn't give a poo about the belts and only wanted the best fights.
Do I have a link for Wilder making an offer to Wlad? Hell no. I simply stated what Wilder claimed that Wlad told him. Please try harder and bring forth a real argument.
I'm not a Wilder nuthugger, but just get irritated by those who blame him for something beyond his control. I pointed out some facts about AJ, sorry if the truth hurts.
By the way, Bellew called out Wilder ya effing moron.

It was fair criticism, BadH. I do get your point that people, myself included, have been perhaps too harsh on Wilder for tests he didn't fail. But what you also need to put into consideration is that boxing fans are tired of Wilder's act. His swollen record full of taxi cabs and the "bomb squad" theatrics after knocking out another cab driver with a bogus record. The guys been champion for almost 3 years and not one worthy fight. Not one. Aside from the failed drug tests, he's still done nothing to be worthy of carrying that belt. You can't be a walking mouthpiece about how great you are and then fight bums. You can't do both of those things. You can do one, not both.

I personally know a boxer that Wilder "defeated" on the way up several years ago and this guy told me what his record actually was. Myseriously, his record changed significantly once he signed on to fight Wilder to make him more respectable. This guy really had a losing record and now..let's just say, they found him some "no show jobs" as they say in the mafia and found him some wins.

To me, from what i see from Wilder and observe, he's soft and would much rather walk around with the belt yapping then defend it against quality or do anything memorable in this sport. Now he's cancelling a good fight because blood pressure medicine? Come on man. That's not freaking roids. That's soft. I don't care what it COULD mean by taking the medicine...it's blood pressure medicine. The fight should have gone on. Wilder saw daylight to get out of it and ran with it even before the WBC made their ruling. Soft.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

You wouldn't think that if you talked to him for 5 minutes. And he hasn't cancelled a thing, the wbc did. You think he should drop his belt to fight a guy that pissed hot? That's ridiculous.

[man]

You can't be a walking mouthpiece about how great you are and then fight bums. You can't do both of those things. You can do one, not both.

that sums up my thinking. povetkin
and louis might be out of his control,
but they only become issues because
of wilder's record in general.

just if you think about it for a second.
the argument in favour of wilder ist
that he almost fought two 38 year olds.
one of them never had a title fight before.
reality is this. if wlad had chosen either
instead of AJ, it would be called ducking.
and very rightly so.

name me a champion in history that had
less quality opposition in his title fights.
this is going to be his sixth defence of
the WBC belt. the sixth.

[digzee]

Why would Wilder want to get out of that fight? Because AJ went life and death with a 41 yr old Wlad? I think Joshua right now may be the best in the division, but people are giving him way too much credit for his win over Wlad. One example; did Terry Norris get that much credit for totally dominating and shutting out a 34-35 yr old Sugar Ray Leonard? Not even close.To me that win is just the beginning for AJ, not an automatic lock as an ATG, like many here seem to think.

You apparently don't have much faith in a boxer like Wilder's mentality, or any boxer for that matter. A fight with AJ is exactly what he wants, and needs. AJ turned him down for Pulev. Wlad turned Wilder down for AJ. Does that make them afraid to fight Wilder? Hell no. There are a lot of other factors that play into it. The only fight I know of that Wilder turned down was Whyte, because Hearn promised him the AJ fight next, and was pissed off. I find it hilarious that you and others have some conspiracy theory that Wilder is behind his opponents testing dirty.

You don't seem to know what's going on. AJ has to fight Pulev he has no choice unless he drops the belt, the IBF gave him exemption to fight Wlad only.

You say Wilder made an offer to Wlad but I've not seen it so where's the link? Wilder didn't want Wlad or AJ he went to the fight and called out little Tony Bellew! Incredibly embarrassing, he went all the way to watch the kings of the division fight while he was trying to line up a fight with a cruiserweight. If he wants to fight AJ he shoulda got in the ring after the fight and done it like a man not wait until he goes home and talk poo.

I don't seem to know what is going on? You are obviously a part timer or not that smart to begin with to say Joshua HAD to fight Pulev, after saying he didn't give a poo about the belts and only wanted the best fights.
Do I have a link for Wilder making an offer to Wlad? Hell no. I simply stated what Wilder claimed that Wlad told him. Please try harder and bring forth a real argument.
I'm not a Wilder nuthugger, but just get irritated by those who blame him for something beyond his control. I pointed out some facts about AJ, sorry if the truth hurts.
By the way, Bellew called out Wilder ya effing moron.

Haha please tell me you're just trolling? You cant be serious, right? AJ has ALWAYS said he wants to unify as he said over a year ago http://dailypost.ng/2016/06/15/i-want-a ... ny-joshua/ and anyway Pulev is a harder fight then Wilder I'd bet big on Pulev to beat Wilder.

Right so because Wilder told people he made an offer to Wlad you believe it? I cant even find where he said it so show me a link. To think Wlad has been ducking Wilder id s joke, Wilder has been a pro for 9 years and has the richest promoter in history so he could afford to get Wilder any big fight he wanted but in 9 years and 38 fights his best opponent is Stiverne, utterly embarrassing. While AJ has been a pro for 4 years and 19 fights and is already a unified champion and has a better record.

No, Wilder went to Bellew screaming bomb squad and telling him how well he can knockout bums and talking shit and Bellew retaliated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWEi0Lakf8E&t=2s

Sorry if the real facts hurt.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Wlad never ducked anyone. Saying Wilder has the richest promoter in the world is inherently false. Al doesn't spend a penny of his own money on this shit.

[digzee]

Wlad never ducked anyone. Saying Wilder has the richest promoter in the world is inherently false. Al doesn't spend a penny of his own money on this poo.

I never said he spent his own money, he had around half a billion of other people's.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

It's gone, the entire roster got crap out of it. Except for Robert Guerrero. Plenty of things to give Wilder shit for, that isn't one of them. He fights in a country that doesn't care and for a company that doesn't put on fights.

[Badhusker]

You don't seem to know what's going on. AJ has to fight Pulev he has no choice unless he drops the belt, the IBF gave him exemption to fight Wlad only.

You say Wilder made an offer to Wlad but I've not seen it so where's the link? Wilder didn't want Wlad or AJ he went to the fight and called out little Tony Bellew! Incredibly embarrassing, he went all the way to watch the kings of the division fight while he was trying to line up a fight with a cruiserweight. If he wants to fight AJ he shoulda got in the ring after the fight and done it like a man not wait until he goes home and talk poo.

I don't seem to know what is going on? You are obviously a part timer or not that smart to begin with to say Joshua HAD to fight Pulev, after saying he didn't give a poo about the belts and only wanted the best fights.
Do I have a link for Wilder making an offer to Wlad? Hell no. I simply stated what Wilder claimed that Wlad told him. Please try harder and bring forth a real argument.
I'm not a Wilder nuthugger, but just get irritated by those who blame him for something beyond his control. I pointed out some facts about AJ, sorry if the truth hurts.
By the way, Bellew called out Wilder ya effing moron.

Haha please tell me you're just trolling? You cant be serious, right? AJ has ALWAYS said he wants to unify as he said over a year ago http://dailypost.ng/2016/06/15/i-want-a ... ny-joshua/ and anyway Pulev is a harder fight then Wilder I'd bet big on Pulev to beat Wilder.

Right so because Wilder told people he made an offer to Wlad you believe it? I cant even find where he said it so show me a link. To think Wlad has been ducking Wilder id s joke, Wilder has been a pro for 9 years and has the richest promoter in history so he could afford to get Wilder any big fight he wanted but in 9 years and 38 fights his best opponent is Stiverne, utterly embarrassing. While AJ has been a pro for 4 years and 19 fights and is already a unified champion and has a better record.

No, Wilder went to Bellew screaming bomb squad and telling him how well he can knockout bums and talking poo and Bellew retaliated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWEi0Lakf8E&t=2s

Sorry if the real facts hurt.

Try googling "Bellew calls out Wilder" and you will find multiple links when he did immediately after beating Haye in early March. You video was about a month or so after that. Of course, correct me if I am wrong. By the way, facts never hurt.

[digzee]

I don't seem to know what is going on? You are obviously a part timer or not that smart to begin with to say Joshua HAD to fight Pulev, after saying he didn't give a poo about the belts and only wanted the best fights.
Do I have a link for Wilder making an offer to Wlad? Hell no. I simply stated what Wilder claimed that Wlad told him. Please try harder and bring forth a real argument.
I'm not a Wilder nuthugger, but just get irritated by those who blame him for something beyond his control. I pointed out some facts about AJ, sorry if the truth hurts.
By the way, Bellew called out Wilder ya effing moron.

Haha please tell me you're just trolling? You cant be serious, right? AJ has ALWAYS said he wants to unify as he said over a year ago http://dailypost.ng/2016/06/15/i-want-a ... ny-joshua/ and anyway Pulev is a harder fight then Wilder I'd bet big on Pulev to beat Wilder.

Right so because Wilder told people he made an offer to Wlad you believe it? I cant even find where he said it so show me a link. To think Wlad has been ducking Wilder id s joke, Wilder has been a pro for 9 years and has the richest promoter in history so he could afford to get Wilder any big fight he wanted but in 9 years and 38 fights his best opponent is Stiverne, utterly embarrassing. While AJ has been a pro for 4 years and 19 fights and is already a unified champion and has a better record.

No, Wilder went to Bellew screaming bomb squad and telling him how well he can knockout bums and talking poo and Bellew retaliated. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWEi0Lakf8E&t=2s

Sorry if the real facts hurt.

Try googling "Bellew calls out Wilder" and you will find multiple links when he did immediately after beating Haye in early March. You video was about a month or so after that. Of course, correct me if I am wrong. By the way, facts never hurt.

Ah yeh that's true, but when Wilder went to Wembley he should've gone into the ring after the fight and called out AJ not wait till he got back to the US. Instead he was more interested in fighting Bellew...

[digzee]

It's gone, the entire roster got crap out of it. Except for Robert Guerrero. Plenty of things to give Wilder poo for, that isn't one of them. He fights in a country that doesn't care and for a company that doesn't put on fights.

The point is that Wilder has a big promoter who could've got him good opponents if he wanted. The US don't care about the HW champion? AJ has got an exclusive deal with Showtime so they clearly do care.

[man]

... facts never hurt.

oh yes, they do. oh yes. they do.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

It's gone, the entire roster got crap out of it. Except for Robert Guerrero. Plenty of things to give Wilder poo for, that isn't one of them. He fights in a country that doesn't care and for a company that doesn't put on fights.

The point is that Wilder has a big promoter who could've got him good opponents if he wanted. The US don't care about the HW champion? AJ has got an exclusive deal with Showtime so they clearly do care.

No, the us doesn't care at all. Showtime televises boxing, aj is a big deal but the American public has no idea who he is. Wilder isn't known either. If you don't know that, your points aren't ones to be bothered with.

[Kalan]

his opposition isnt nearly as bad as some make out. his biggest career setbacks since winning the belt have been down to ped cheats. you wouldnt be able to knock his opposition if they hadnt failed the tests

The WBC bent over backwards to excuse Bermane Stiverne of taking REAL PEDs... Povetkin and Ortiz never took any PEDs so their fights should have gone forward... The WBC and VADA are the 2 most corrupt organizations in Boxing since Jim Norris's International Boxing Club in the 1950's and '60's.

[asdfjkl]

What's funny is that if he had fought both Ortiz and Povetkin, (like he should have but not his fault they tested dirty) His resume would be arguably better than Joshua's, who went life and death with a 41 yr old Wlad that totally sucked in his previous fight. Wilder said Wlad turned down the fight with him before he fought Joshua. Not sure why he would lie about that, and I have not heard Wlad dispute it. Wilder also claimed he was turned down by several others, like Martin and H. Fury.
.

If those two would have improved his record, isn't that damning in itself?

Martin just chose the hardest fight and it was Wilder who chickened out against the just 20 years old Hughie Fury.

[Kalan]

What's funny is that if he had fought both Ortiz and Povetkin, (like he should have but not his fault they tested dirty) ... Why did Wlad pick Joshua over Wilder? Must be a reason because he sparred with them both quite a bit

Ortiz and Povetkin didn't test dirty... Neither took PEDs before the signed and sealed fight... VADA sent Ortiz a drug form written in French and English and deliberately confusing... The form should obviously been written in Spanish and English.. The names for the banned masking agents is completely different on their banned list than it is on Ortiz's prescription vial.. They should have ALL names for the substances listed, which is a deliberate oversight.

VADA finally admitted after months and months of phony "investigation" that Povetkin DID NOT fail tests for any banned substance and the Wilder fight could go forward... But for some reason they put Stiverne in Povetkin's way -- and he tested positive for PEDs which the WBC completely excused.. 24 ahead of the fight Povetkin got banned for 1/10 of a nanogram of Ostarine, which he didn't take and the amount is so minute you can't prove they were wrong.. No other testing organization has been able to find any presence of Ostarine in any Povetkin sample, which is the same result for Browne and Bute who also tested positive for Ostarine in a flurry of positive VADA Ostarine tests by foreign boxers who happened to be competing for world titles.

Klitschko fought Joshua because Joshua has more international prestige.. the fight was for much more money and the venue was much bigger.. Joshua is an Olympic Gold Medalist.. and Wladimir did not want to deal with crappy organizations like VADA and the WBC.. The easier fight by far would have been Deontay Wilder -- who lost the first 4 rounds to tyro boxer Gerald Washington, and got beaten up by Johann Duhaupas's slow and inept right hand swings.

[digzee]

It's gone, the entire roster got crap out of it. Except for Robert Guerrero. Plenty of things to give Wilder poo for, that isn't one of them. He fights in a country that doesn't care and for a company that doesn't put on fights.

The point is that Wilder has a big promoter who could've got him good opponents if he wanted. The US don't care about the HW champion? AJ has got an exclusive deal with Showtime so they clearly do care.

No, the us doesn't care at all. Showtime televises boxing, aj is a big deal but the American public has no idea who he is. Wilder isn't known either. If you don't know that, your points aren't ones to be bothered with.

So why would Showtime have an exclusive deal with only AJ? They aint gonna throw money at him for no reason. Wilder is as well known just as much as other non ppv fighters and gets 2m+ ratings for his fights, but yeah no one cares.

You didn't get the point in the first place you arrogant prick, you're going on ignore.

[brilo33]

wilder is and always has been one big shot, but what a shot , in my eyes

[candyslim]

Agreed. He is charismatic, athletic, unpredictable, exciting to watch, and carries a warhead in that right hand.

It makes it all the more frustrating that he hasn't been allowed to fight a meaningful opponent. Whether or not he's complicit, it's not a good image.

[caldo2025]

You can't be a walking mouthpiece about how great you are and then fight bums. You can't do both of those things. You can do one, not both.

that sums up my thinking. povetkin
and louis might be out of his control,
but they only become issues because
of wilder's record in general.

just if you think about it for a second.
the argument in favour of wilder ist
that he almost fought two 38 year olds.
one of them never had a title fight before.
reality is this. if wlad had chosen either
instead of AJ, it would be called ducking.
and very rightly so.

name me a champion in history that had
less quality opposition in his title fights.
this is going to be his sixth defence of
the WBC belt. the sixth.

I think that fraud, Adonis Stevenson, is a worse champion or at just as bad. This guy has not had a mandatory title defense since November 2013. How does that happen? Some fighters that just win the WBC belt and they have 3 weeks to agree to mandatory fights and others like Adonis can go 4 years without a peep? The boxing world would be better off getting the belts around the waists of worthy champions though...Wilder and Adonis don't deserve them.

[caldo2025]

his opposition isnt nearly as bad as some make out. his biggest career setbacks since winning the belt have been down to ped cheats. you wouldnt be able to knock his opposition if they hadnt failed the tests

The WBC bent over backwards to excuse Bermane Stiverne of taking REAL PEDs... Povetkin and Ortiz never took any PEDs so their fights should have gone forward... The WBC and VADA are the 2 most corrupt organizations in Boxing since Jim Norris's International Boxing Club in the 1950's and '60's.

Why the heck would the WBC go through the trouble of enforcing mandatory challengers for a belt with the intent to easily let the champion out of those fights? I don't get how the WBC wins by being involved in this equation. Help me understand that and i"ll join your side of the argument.

[man]

Agreed. He is charismatic, athletic, unpredictable, exciting to watch, and carries a warhead in that right hand.

It makes it all the more frustrating that he hasn't been allowed to fight a meaningful opponent. Whether or not he's complicit, it's not a good image.

really? you believe that?

[man]

I think that fraud, Adonis Stevenson, is a worse champion or at just as bad.

you don't mean that.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Stevenson is much worse. He has a better resume, but there are no fights Wilder has turned down. Adonis ran for the hills from Kovalev.