Stiverne

[Worldmachine]

After 2 years since his last fight against Wilder , how is he the mandatory?

[Tony1244]

Stiverne has close ties to Don King and Don King has close ties to the WBC.

[candyslim]

Because he's a very beatable opponent for Wilder.

Long story short Povetkin (WBC mandatory) fails dug test in controversial circumstances. They don't ban him it's inconclusive. They make him fight an eliminator to retain his mandatory status, Step forward Mr Bermane Stiverne, former WBC Champion who lost to Wilder, oddly enough in non- controversial circumstances.

Povetkin fails drug test in controversial circumstances and is banished to a Gulag somewhere in Siberia, never to darken the WBC's doorstep again. Stiverne it is said (although l cannot confirm) also failed a drug test but was not penalized. A cynic might suppose they didn't realize he too was a foreigner.

So there you have it ... unless what you meant was "How is he still the mandatory"? in which case see opening line of post.

[asdfjkl]

Because Wilder wanted him to, don't forget Stiverne has been caught using drugs and didn't show up at his latest dopingtest that I know of either.
And got knocked down by a massive bum that later lost badly against a rank 100 cruiserweight.

Stiverne and Wilder are basically one, they are a team, just like their promotors.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Stiverne has close ties to Don King and Don King has close ties to the WBC.

too bad buffoons like candyslim and assmuncher can't grasp that deontay Corleone is a figment of their imagination.

[candyslim]

It's not Deontay he wouldn't have the wit. Haymon, Sulaiman, King on the other hand, they are well used to getting what they want. Mutual back-scratching.

I don't understand why you would reject the possibility these guys would ever manipulete anything. How naive you are.

[Tony1244]

It's not Deontay he wouldn't have the wit. Haymon, Sulaiman, King on the other hand, they are well used to getting what they want. Mutual back-scratching.

I don't understand why you would reject the possibility these guys would ever manipulete anything. How naive you are.

I always thought it was the state department, the military industrial complex and a few billionaires like Cook, Buffett and the Kochs that had huge sway.

But I come to the forums here to find out that Deontay Wilder runs everything. 99% of Americans have no idea who Deontay Wilder is. Why would you think he has so much power?

King would prefer Stiverne won. The WBC would likely prefer Stiverne or Ortiz as the champion. Ortiz has the South Florida Cuban contingent on his side. You know people who live in America that actually watch boxing.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

It's not Deontay he wouldn't have the wit. Haymon, Sulaiman, King on the other hand, they are well used to getting what they want. Mutual back-scratching.

I don't understand why you would reject the possibility these guys would ever manipulete anything. How naive you are.

You're demented.

[funso banjo baby]

retaining Stiverne at number 1 is an embarrassing joke

and it just further underlines the fact that Deontay Wilder is NOT world champion.

this bauble is toilet water

[SaadOffTheDeck]

It's not Deontay he wouldn't have the wit. Haymon, Sulaiman, King on the other hand, they are well used to getting what they want. Mutual back-scratching.

I don't understand why you would reject the possibility these guys would ever manipulete anything. How naive you are.

I always thought it was the state department, the military industrial complex and a few billionaires like Cook, Buffett and the Kochs that had huge sway.

But I come to the forums here to find out that Deontay Wilder runs everything. 99% of Americans have no idea who Deontay Wilder is. Why would you think he has so much power?

King would prefer Stiverne won. The WBC would likely prefer Stiverne or Ortiz as the champion. Ortiz has the South Florida Cuban contingent on his side. You know people who live in America that actually watch boxing.

The stupidity is mystifying.

[candyslim]

It's not Deontay he wouldn't have the wit. Haymon, Sulaiman, King on the other hand, they are well used to getting what they want. Mutual back-scratching.

I don't understand why you would reject the possibility these guys would ever manipulete anything. How naive you are.

I always thought it was the state department, the military industrial complex and a few billionaires like Cook, Buffett and the Kochs that had huge sway.

But I come to the forums here to find out that Deontay Wilder runs everything. 99% of Americans have no idea who Deontay Wilder is. Why would you think he has so much power?

King would prefer Stiverne won. The WBC would likely prefer Stiverne or Ortiz as the champion. Ortiz has the South Florida Cuban contingent on his side. You know people who live in America that actually watch boxing.

State Dept? I don't think they're likely to concern themselves with boxing. The three stooges on the other hand ...

Wilder doesn't run anything but he holds the WBC Heavyweight title which is the most prestigious prize in boxing, and many are interested in what happens to it.. Stiverne isn't going to win anything. It's enough for King that he gets his shot. Ortiz was never going to be around much longer win or lose so the size of his fanbase is academic.

Saad: You and I know each other's views on this and I don't really want to discuss it if with you, especially with your tendency to get abusive. All I'll say is that despite having predicted that this fight wasn't going to happen over a month ago, I was actually accepting that I'd misjudged the situation and lightning wasn't about to strike in the same place. Perhaps it's me who's naive?

Anyway we aren't going to change each others opinion about this, we've tried too many times before, so I'm going to leave it there if you don't mind.

[Tony1244]

It's not Deontay he wouldn't have the wit. Haymon, Sulaiman, King on the other hand, they are well used to getting what they want. Mutual back-scratching.

I don't understand why you would reject the possibility these guys would ever manipulete anything. How naive you are.

I always thought it was the state department, the military industrial complex and a few billionaires like Cook, Buffett and the Kochs that had huge sway.

But I come to the forums here to find out that Deontay Wilder runs everything. 99% of Americans have no idea who Deontay Wilder is. Why would you think he has so much power?

King would prefer Stiverne won. The WBC would likely prefer Stiverne or Ortiz as the champion. Ortiz has the South Florida Cuban contingent on his side. You know people who live in America that actually watch boxing.

The stupidity is mystifying.

They see Wilder as the most powerful man in America. Banjo baby seems to believe Wilder started bogus #1 rankings. Listen sonny boy, bogus #1 rankings have been going on way before Deontay's parents met. Claude Noel was the #1 ranked lightweight in 1980. That's clearly Deontay Wilder's fault.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I always thought it was the state department, the military industrial complex and a few billionaires like Cook, Buffett and the Kochs that had huge sway.

But I come to the forums here to find out that Deontay Wilder runs everything. 99% of Americans have no idea who Deontay Wilder is. Why would you think he has so much power?

King would prefer Stiverne won. The WBC would likely prefer Stiverne or Ortiz as the champion. Ortiz has the South Florida Cuban contingent on his side. You know people who live in America that actually watch boxing.

The stupidity is mystifying.

They see Wilder as the most powerful man in America. Banjo baby seems to believe Wilder started bogus #1 rankings. Listen sonny boy, bogus #1 rankings have been going on way before Deontay's parents met. Claude Noel was the #1 ranked lightweight in 1980. That's clearly Deontay Wilder's fault.

Deontay Corleone, too unknown to draw a crowd outside of Alabama but so connected that he can spend 10 times his payday to fix rankings and drug tests. Honestly, this Wilder mob conspiracy is absolutely the dumbest thing I've ever seen on Boxing message boards.

[Tony1244]

It's not Deontay he wouldn't have the wit. Haymon, Sulaiman, King on the other hand, they are well used to getting what they want. Mutual back-scratching.

I don't understand why you would reject the possibility these guys would ever manipulete anything. How naive you are.

I always thought it was the state department, the military industrial complex and a few billionaires like Cook, Buffett and the Kochs that had huge sway.

But I come to the forums here to find out that Deontay Wilder runs everything. 99% of Americans have no idea who Deontay Wilder is. Why would you think he has so much power?

King would prefer Stiverne won. The WBC would likely prefer Stiverne or Ortiz as the champion. Ortiz has the South Florida Cuban contingent on his side. You know people who live in America that actually watch boxing.

State Dept? I don't think they're likely to concern themselves with boxing. The three stooges on the other hand ...

Wilder doesn't run anything but he holds the WBC Heavyweight title which is the most prestigious prize in boxing, and many are interested in what happens to it.. Stiverne isn't going to win anything. It's enough for King that he gets his shot. Ortiz was never going to be around much longer win or lose so the size of his fanbase is academic.

Saad: You and I know each other's views on this and I don't really want to discuss it if with you, especially with your tendency to get abusive. All I'll say is that despite having predicted that this fight wasn't going to happen over a month ago, I was actually accepting that I'd misjudged the situation and lightning wasn't about to strike in the same place. Perhaps it's me who's naive?

Anyway we aren't going to change each others opinion about this, we've tried too many times before, so I'm going to leave it there if you don't mind.

I don't understand your 3 stooges reference. At first I thought you meant the alphabet bodies but there are more than 3 now.

Stiverne will very likely lose but that's not because Wilder is protected, it's because Wilder is better.

Regarding you predicted correctly that the fight wouldn't materialize, I'd put that more to your knowledge of Ortiz's past PED use.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

It's not Deontay he wouldn't have the wit. Haymon, Sulaiman, King on the other hand, they are well used to getting what they want. Mutual back-scratching.

I don't understand why you would reject the possibility these guys would ever manipulete anything. How naive you are.

I always thought it was the state department, the military industrial complex and a few billionaires like Cook, Buffett and the Kochs that had huge sway.

But I come to the forums here to find out that Deontay Wilder runs everything. 99% of Americans have no idea who Deontay Wilder is. Why would you think he has so much power?

King would prefer Stiverne won. The WBC would likely prefer Stiverne or Ortiz as the champion. Ortiz has the South Florida Cuban contingent on his side. You know people who live in America that actually watch boxing.

State Dept? I don't think they're likely to concern themselves with boxing. The three stooges on the other hand ...

Wilder doesn't run anything but he holds the WBC Heavyweight title which is the most prestigious prize in boxing, and many are interested in what happens to it.. Stiverne isn't going to win anything. It's enough for King that he gets his shot. Ortiz was never going to be around much longer win or lose so the size of his fanbase is academic.

Saad: You and I know each other's views on this and I don't really want to discuss it if with you, especially with your tendency to get abusive. All I'll say is that despite having predicted that this fight wasn't going to happen over a month ago, I was actually accepting that I'd misjudged the situation and lightning wasn't about to strike in the same place. Perhaps it's me who's naive?

Anyway we aren't going to change each others opinion about this, we've tried too many times before, so I'm going to leave it there if you don't mind.

I certainly mean nothing personal and I'm sure you're an intelligent good chap. Your idiocy on this matter forces me to add you to my ignore list. Have a great and productive life!

[candyslim]

I always thought it was the state department, the military industrial complex and a few billionaires like Cook, Buffett and the Kochs that had huge sway.

But I come to the forums here to find out that Deontay Wilder runs everything. 99% of Americans have no idea who Deontay Wilder is. Why would you think he has so much power?

King would prefer Stiverne won. The WBC would likely prefer Stiverne or Ortiz as the champion. Ortiz has the South Florida Cuban contingent on his side. You know people who live in America that actually watch boxing.

State Dept? I don't think they're likely to concern themselves with boxing. The three stooges on the other hand ...

Wilder doesn't run anything but he holds the WBC Heavyweight title which is the most prestigious prize in boxing, and many are interested in what happens to it.. Stiverne isn't going to win anything. It's enough for King that he gets his shot. Ortiz was never going to be around much longer win or lose so the size of his fanbase is academic.

Saad: You and I know each other's views on this and I don't really want to discuss it if with you, especially with your tendency to get abusive. All I'll say is that despite having predicted that this fight wasn't going to happen over a month ago, I was actually accepting that I'd misjudged the situation and lightning wasn't about to strike in the same place. Perhaps it's me who's naive?

Anyway we aren't going to change each others opinion about this, we've tried too many times before, so I'm going to leave it there if you don't mind.

I certainly mean nothing personal and I'm sure you're an intelligent good chap. Your idiocy on this matter forces me to add you to my ignore list. Have a great and productive life!

Why thank you very much. Don't mind if I do

[candyslim]

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I don't understand your 3 stooges reference. At first I thought you meant the alphabet bodies but there are more than 3 now.

Stiverne will very likely lose but that's not because Wilder is protected, it's because Wilder is better.

Regarding you predicted correctly that the fight wouldn't materialize, I'd put that more to your knowledge of Ortiz's past PED use.

Sorry Tony I missed your post at first:

No, I meant King, Haymon and Sulaiman.

I should damn well hope he is better than the guy who climbed off the canvas against Derric Rossy.

Nothing to do with that. Much more to do with Wilder's previous ... misfortune on only the other occasion, he was lined up to fight someone given a decent chance of beating him.

[KiwiRider]

After everyone kicked up a fuss about Stiverne being the #1 contender, they did try and fix it by arranging the eliminator with Breazeale. It's just worked out that now Stiverne has another chance at the belt. So Wilder fights Stiverne.
It can't be as big a stinker as Fury/Parker.
Can it?

[FastestHandsInThewest]

Idk. Sounds like bullshit though.

[SenorPipino]

The heavyweight division is garbage overall. Has been for many many moons.

Long gone are the zenith years when men like Bowe, Holyfield, Tyson and Lewis ruled the earth. Throw in old George Foreman for good measure.

So what's wrong with Stiverne being the #1 guy with such a dilapidated division?

I realize that this forum has a Britno-centric view, so if Deontay Wilder is the topic, then you can be sure that his opponent will be blasted and the Bronze Bomber will be ridiculed.

Probably (sic) has something to do with the boys here trying to build Joshua into God, and praying that Wilder doesn't ruin those pipe dreams someday.

Stiverne is a capable foe. He can undoubtedly beat most in the division.

Nothing wrong with Wilder giving him another crack, futile though it may be.

Is it Deontay's fault that every big name that signs to fight him feels they need to turn to turn to PEDS so that they can compete with him?

[boxing_rocks]

The stupidity is mystifying.

They see Wilder as the most powerful man in America. Banjo baby seems to believe Wilder started bogus #1 rankings. Listen sonny boy, bogus #1 rankings have been going on way before Deontay's parents met. Claude Noel was the #1 ranked lightweight in 1980. That's clearly Deontay Wilder's fault.

Deontay Corleone, too unknown to draw a crowd outside of Alabama but so connected that he can spend 10 times his payday to fix rankings and drug tests. Honestly, this Wilder mob conspiracy is absolutely the dumbest thing I've ever seen on Boxing message boards.

You two sound like imbeciles not capable of listening the other side. Live in your imaginary world where King, Haymon and Sulaiman are honest people.

[asdfjkl]

They see Wilder as the most powerful man in America. Banjo baby seems to believe Wilder started bogus #1 rankings. Listen sonny boy, bogus #1 rankings have been going on way before Deontay's parents met. Claude Noel was the #1 ranked lightweight in 1980. That's clearly Deontay Wilder's fault.

Deontay Corleone, too unknown to draw a crowd outside of Alabama but so connected that he can spend 10 times his payday to fix rankings and drug tests. Honestly, this Wilder mob conspiracy is absolutely the dumbest thing I've ever seen on Boxing message boards.

You two sound like imbeciles not capable of listening the other side. Live in your imaginary world where King, Haymon and Sulaiman are honest people.

They don't sound like, they are! 10 times your payday to fix rankings? How dumb can you be? A fix can be done for free. There are enough dumb Americans anyway as you can see.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

They see Wilder as the most powerful man in America. Banjo baby seems to believe Wilder started bogus #1 rankings. Listen sonny boy, bogus #1 rankings have been going on way before Deontay's parents met. Claude Noel was the #1 ranked lightweight in 1980. That's clearly Deontay Wilder's fault.

Deontay Corleone, too unknown to draw a crowd outside of Alabama but so connected that he can spend 10 times his payday to fix rankings and drug tests. Honestly, this Wilder mob conspiracy is absolutely the dumbest thing I've ever seen on Boxing message boards.

You two sound like imbeciles not capable of listening the other side. Live in your imaginary world where King, Haymon and Sulaiman are honest people.

There is no other side, I wouldn't listen to the other side if you were touting the benefits of cutting off your own arm either. All of you that entertain even a smidgen of a chance that Wilder is behind all this are too stupid to interact with the other humans. You all should be quarantined. King isn't involved in boxing anymore for the most part and the wbc has list a lot of money in wilders opponents ped abuse. It's hilarious you guys think an unknown boxer runs shit.

[boxing_rocks]

Deontay Corleone, too unknown to draw a crowd outside of Alabama but so connected that he can spend 10 times his payday to fix rankings and drug tests. Honestly, this Wilder mob conspiracy is absolutely the dumbest thing I've ever seen on Boxing message boards.

You two sound like imbeciles not capable of listening the other side. Live in your imaginary world where King, Haymon and Sulaiman are honest people.

There is no other side, I wouldn't listen to the other side if you were touting the benefits of cutting off your own arm either. All of you that entertain even a smidgen of a chance that Wilder is behind all this are too stupid to interact with the other humans. You all should be quarantined. King isn't involved in boxing anymore for the most part and the wbc has list a lot of money in wilders opponents ped abuse. It's hilarious you guys think an unknown boxer runs poo.

And you are still not listening. Nobody said that Wilder running something. He is a potential source of a lot of money for Haymon and WBC if he gets a shot at Joshua. They have serious motives to protect him from anybody remotely dangerous.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

You two sound like imbeciles not capable of listening the other side. Live in your imaginary world where King, Haymon and Sulaiman are honest people.

There is no other side, I wouldn't listen to the other side if you were touting the benefits of cutting off your own arm either. All of you that entertain even a smidgen of a chance that Wilder is behind all this are too stupid to interact with the other humans. You all should be quarantined. King isn't involved in boxing anymore for the most part and the wbc has list a lot of money in wilders opponents ped abuse. It's hilarious you guys think an unknown boxer runs poo.

And you are still not listening. Nobody said that Wilder running something. He is a potential source of a lot of money for Haymon and WBC if he gets a shot at Joshua. They have serious motives to protect him from anybody remotely dangerous.

Nothing to listen to, you're nuts. Povetkin was a gigantic payday for both of them. Wilder spent money to secure Ortiz. Just hate him and be done with it. Don't let disliking a fighter make you embarrass yourself. Anyway, off to ignore for you too.