David Lemiuex

[gilgamesh]

lets use your standards. charlo couldnt stop a clubfighter not long ago. didnt hurt trout. taken distance by multiple no namers. at 154 too.

Trout's a good fighter. Not a world beater, but he can fight.

[jamamb]

and? hurt and down by canelo, dropped twice by some random aussie. charlo hit him and didnt hurt him.

[gilgamesh]

and? hurt and down by canelo, dropped twice by some random aussie. charlo hit him and didnt hurt him.

Yeah I know. Charlo's not a particularly big puncher. I even thought the fight with Trout was a draw myself, but I had no issue with Charlo getting the nod.

[jamamb]

charlo won that fight but this is a question of power. he has much more skill than lemieux so if he really hit as hard or harder youd expect way more damaging ko/knockdown/hurting performances.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

lets use your standards. charlo couldnt stop a clubfighter not long ago. didnt hurt trout. taken distance by multiple no namers. at 154 too.

Clubfighter like Marcos Reyes?

[jamamb]

like michael finney. a worse fighter than reyes. charlo way more skill than lemieux too and has easier time landing clean.

almost any argument to knock lemieuxs power can be used to do same to almost any fighter. very very few with the type of consistent explosive power showings not to have that.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

What is your point? I have no issue with you thinking he hits harder than Charlo. Does that make him the menace people pretend he is? Jermall is obviously an infinitely more skilled fighter, but if he hit Stevens flush 50 times he would be down and out too.

[Impractical Poster]

Initially, I didn't think David was the killer he was touted to be. But after seeing him againt Ndam and Stevens, I have changed my mind to a degree. He is not top of the food chain. But, he is a very aggressive, fast, and powerful puncher who beats most in the division.

GGG has a solid chin, and even he was weary of David's power. He may be overrated by some. But I think his power makes him a legitimate danger to anyone who sleeps on him.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Charlo would toy with him.

[jamamb]

point is that your arguments for his power being overrated (like reyes going distance) apply to virtually every puncher out there. think its bit of an unfair standard tbh. i dont believe that lemieux gets viewed generally as massive atg banger. but compared to his peers today hes among the best. dont agree that charlo wouldve laid stevens unconscious. and you exaggerate how much lemieux hit him in that fight. it was still very early and stevens turned off with that one left hook. he wasnt looking ultra hurt and about finished before that.

plus lemieux sucks skill wise. can often not land clean at all. makes it harder to do as much damage as he could. taken as a whole fighter hes solid but not much more. but i dont agree that hes most overrated puncher in years.

[Impractical Poster]

Charlo would toy with him.

I agree.

[boxing_rocks]

lets use your standards. charlo couldnt stop a clubfighter not long ago. didnt hurt trout. taken distance by multiple no namers. at 154 too.

Clubfighter like Marcos Reyes?

Lemieux broke his hand early in that fight. If he is no threat, then why Charlo, Jacobs, etc. stay way from him?

[jamamb]

lemieux isnt really much of a threat to those guys. he is too lacking in skill. they are p4p ability fighters. but the power is there no doubt. but knocking someone out cold with one left hook in three rounds doesnt count! it was a massive and prolonged accumulation of punches

[SaadOffTheDeck]

point is that your arguments for his power being overrated (like reyes going distance) apply to virtually every puncher out there. think its bit of an unfair standard tbh. i dont believe that lemieux gets viewed generally as massive atg banger. but compared to his peers today hes among the best. dont agree that charlo wouldve laid stevens unconscious. and you exaggerate how much lemieux hit him in that fight. it was still very early and stevens turned off with that one left hook. he wasnt looking ultra hurt and about finished before that.

plus lemieux sucks skill wise. can often not land clean at all. makes it harder to do as much damage as he could. taken as a whole fighter hes solid but not much more. but i dont agree that hes most overrated puncher in years.

You clearly haven't seen the Stevens fight.

[jamamb]

clearly have mate. stevens still fighting back and not looking finished and badly hurt when lemieux put his lights out. and they'd hardly fought 2 rounds ffs

no brutal knockouts count if punches landed before them lolz!!

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I can't help you then, he easily landed 50 power shits. Once again, overrated doesn't make him Sergio mora. He didn't have a punchers chance against ggg and he doesn't have a punchers chance against any top fighter. He can knock out the mighty Curtis Stevens, though the chinny alcine laughed at him.

[jamamb]

ya, and look at the bums who went the distance with charlo. look at stiverne and duhaupas eating shots from wilder and not going down. chinny miranda going distance with dorticos even though pavlik brutalized and stopped him at mw. look at ggg needing 8 rounds to retire stevens when lemieux knocked him cold just a little into the third. ggg not even being able to drop rosado like lemieux did in 3 rounds.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

So your making an argument that other fighters power is overrated is what makes David's legit?

[jamamb]

im saying your saying hes most overrated puncher in years using unfair standards.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

im saying your saying hes most overrated puncher in years using unfair standards.

I disagree, though I will say he's not nearly as overrated as vitali. He wasn't a puncher at all. Who is an overrated puncher in the last few years?

[jamamb]

spence going distance and not dropping some random african he unloaded on, robert easter continualyl going distance and even unable to finish that weak philly guy, alvarez going distance with loads of mediocre opponents. stopping them standing too. goes on and on and on.

but lemieux specifically is most overrated puncher in years because a few guys went distance and he lost years ago? and of course a brutal early rounds one punch ko he scored doesnt count. talk about picking and choosing your evidence

funny how you start thread inviting input like your open and willing to consider.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

So Spence, Easter and canelo are your picks for the most overrated punchers in years? I've never heard any of them given the awe inspired praise of lemieux, but fair enough.

[jamamb]

dont think lemieux generally rated as some massive atg banger. just a serious hitter compared to most of his peers today. power that makes him dangerous to most. you probably take the few extreme opinions just to you can continue with the nonsense about him being wildly overrated.

lots of power, not lots of skill. overall a 2nd-tier guy in the top ten.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I'm not obsessed with an also-ran, just curious why so many see something I don't. You didn't answer my question, were your examples fighters with more iverrated power or were you just defending lemieux?

[jamamb]

think your using standard to say hes most overrated in years that makes it too easy to discredit fighters power., even when it comes to legitimately big bangers. dont think that ppl rating him as a serious puncher right now at mw is at odds with some guys going the distance or him losing years ago. especially considering his lack of skill and ability to land clean and to catch guys with surprise counters like more skilled fighters can. obv hes far bigger hitter than guy like brian rose who stopped alcine.

im not seeing most ppl rate him as massive historically notable type of puncher. so i dont think the starting point ppl rate him at is as high as you seem to think.