David Lemiuex

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I'm just talking currently, not historically. The main basis is my eyes. You still didn't answer my question. If I'm so out of line you should have a fairly substantial list, or at least one, of more overrated punchers with your own methodology instead of continuously, and erroneously, questioning mine.

[jamamb]

just immediatly off the top of my head, id say ggg. theres even been threads about him being hardest puncher p4p ever. took 5 rounds longer to retire stevens rather than KTFO him. couldnt drop rosado. didnt come close to stopping canelo or jacobs. only hurt jacobs once and never hurt canelo even though he hit them with shots lemieux wouldnt land. almost taken distance by martin murray. went distance with three randoms before coming to hbo.

considering how much more skill ggg has than lemieux, id say condising him an atg puncher is more overrated.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Ok, so lemieux would be your #2 since vitali? And ftr, vitali probably is the goat here.

[Cent0089]

His victories over Njikam, Rosado and Stevens are solid. His boxing skills are limited but he is still tough boxer and fun to watch.

[jamamb]

nope

just to name some more off top of my head, thurman was more overrated. thurman got rated as a one punch banger even though hes more of an average hiting boxer. seems to have cooled a bit though

parker got talked about as serious puncher when he has shown no power against top 30 opponents

pedvetkin talked about like super monster even though he running through guys like already ktfo'd by a cruiser charr

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Totally agree on Thurman. I've never heard anyone talk about Parker or povetkin the way people go on about lemieux. Part of it may be the propensity as fans to try and make a fight more interesting, but if you're telling me you've read people call Parker a turn your lights out murderous puncher I'd advise you to stick around here, and this place is full of morons.

[jamamb]

ppl calling parker serious puncher before he started fighting okay opponents. after he first round knocked out that guy who fought jennigns there was a lot of it. dont know about here but on other forums.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Yeah, that must be a special place. Thurnans is a good call, underrated boxer and crazy overrated puncher. I don't remember anyone saying povetkin had a punchers chance against wlad. Too bad cotto won't go out battering thus dude.

[jamamb]

not before wlad. after wlad fight povetkin laid out guys like charr and started getting rated like a monster. good puncher but imo more of a disaprity btwn how he was rated and his actual power than there is with lemieux,

[Impractical Poster]

Cotto a few years ago takes Lemuix. Now I'm not so sure. Which is why I belive they went with Ali. A powerful, fast, relentless opponent is the last thing a faded Cotto needs as a farewell bout.

Cotto may certainly well have beaten David. But far from a sure thing in my opinion.

[jamamb]

i think if cotto is on he would've bring out lemieux limitations and beat him on points. but still cotto has had problems with crude but strong opponents and lemieux is big and dangerous enough to make it good fight and have a chance to hurt and beat cotto. cotto not at the ggg, cnaleo, jacobs, charlo level where its a sure thing but class would've probably told.

more interested in lemieux vs saunders. seems better chance of it happening. lemieux high with wbo. saunders cant really punch much and though skilled and faster he fades badly late and isnt strong. lemieux gassed vs rubio but since then showed better stamina than bjs has. saunders arguably lost to akakov i think. but then lemieux hasnt looked good against some guys like reyes. would be good fight. prob 60-40 saunders.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

not before wlad. after wlad fight povetkin laid out guys like charr and started getting rated like a monster. good puncher but imo more of a disaprity btwn how he was rated and his actual power than there is with lemieux,

I've never seen a single post talking up his power like lemieux and this place is full of povetkin nuthuggers.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Cotto a few years ago takes Lemuix. Now I'm not so sure. Which is why I belive they went with Ali. A powerful, fast, relentless opponent is the last thing a faded Cotto needs as a farewell bout.

Cotto may certainly well have beaten David. But far from a sure thing in my opinion.

Nothing fast about lemieux. I think it would mirror the kamegai fight but cotto wouldn't have to move as much and lemieux wouldn't be able to take as much.

[lazboy]

He’s a 4 round brawler. He has good power...because he puts everything into his punches and that’s why he gasses.

[jamamb]

dd he gas more than once? lem much tougher opponent than the japanes guy. japanese guys a worse verson of provo and smaller less harder punchng even less sklled fighter than lemeux.

[lazboy]

dd he gas more than once? lem much tougher opponent than the japanes guy. japanese guys a worse verson of provo and smaller less harder punchng even less sklled fighter than lemeux.

I agree with you in terms of he has good power although that’s at the expense of his gas tank. He gassed against Rubio, Golovkin, even his most recent fight Reyes. Probably every other fight where’s he’s made to work beyond 4.

[jamamb]

not gassed imo. fghters arent gunna be as energetic at end of fght when they throw hard. he was only spent aganst rubo and ggg and ggg was punshment and great body shot.

[lazboy]

You need to watched the Reyes fight. If you don’t think he gassed out then we have different definitions of the word. If this Reyes bloke has trained, had some timing on his punches or actually knew how to throw a hard good punch Lemieux would have been stopped. Reyes was getting to him with some of the worst punches I’ve seen recently. He was there for the taking, but it didn’t happen cos Reyes was a golden boy cherry pick with prob 2 weeks notice.

[jamamb]

wut rounds?i thought was a near shutout and got scored that way. lem sloppy but never remotely seemng as he could lose it.

[lazboy]

wut rounds? thought was a near shutout and got scored that way

I remember it different....I’ll just say after 5 or 6, he’s tired as fook.

[jamamb]

wut rounds? thought was a near shutout and got scored that way

I remember it different....I’ll just say after 5 or 6, he’s tired as fook.

strange. because i watched it and thought lemieux won pretty easily. lemiuex looked sloppy which isnt rare for him, but thought he won pretty much every round. didnt seem like anyone had much issue with the 99-91/99-90 cards. thought maybe reyes won two rounds if you were generous. saying lemieux was there for taking and utterly exhausted seems like major hyperbole. he slowed but never looked spent. would be hyperbole equivalent of saying saunders almost got ko'd and deserved 2 rounds against akaov rather than 5 or 6.

did ppl here talk about it being bad scoring or a really close fight?

[lazboy]

wut rounds? thought was a near shutout and got scored that way

I remember it different....I’ll just say after 5 or 6, he’s tired as fook.

strange. because i watched it and thought lemieux won pretty easily. lemiuex looked sloppy which isnt rare for him, but thought he won pretty much every round. didnt seem like anyone had much issue with the 99-91/99-90 cards. thought maybe reyes won two rounds if you were generous. saying lemieux was there for taking and utterly exhausted seems like major hyperbole. would be like me saying saunders deserved 2 rounds against akaov rather than 5 or 6.

did ppl here talk about it being bad scoring or a really close fight?

I remember people saying Lemieux looked awful. Maybe it wasn’t close as Reyes couldn’t punch for whatever reason. But Lemieux was gassed hard, couldn’t defend, was walking on to shots. Can’t say I scored the rounds but I remember Lemieux loosing a significant amount of momentum. I don’t know mate, really didn’t impress me, any improvements he said he made post ggg I couldn’t see. But of course..to each their own.

[jamamb]

dont think hes gotten any better post-ggg. same fighter that beat ndam before and stevens after. was sloppy against reyes but won almost every round imo. his success dropped after looking like would stop reyes early, but didnt think he looked super tired. thing with him loading up so much is that it becomes easier to time his shots once youve seen them a few rounds because they all come with same speed and intensity.

[boxing_rocks]

Can’t say I scored the rounds but I remember Lemieux loosing a significant amount of momentum.

That's what happens when you start fighting with one hand.

[Blodhemn]

Worst boxer GGG ever fought, possibly outside of Stevens. Yeah, has power but nothing else. Total excuse maker on top of it.

Wouldn't really consider him an overrated puncher, however his skills are so lacking that his puncher's chance gets overrated.

Maybe the most overrated puncher currently goes to Canelo.