Billy Joe Saunders (c) vs. David Lemieux - December 16th 2017

[Ossyrules]

for someone who apparently is terrible lemieux has done pretty well. obv not in the class of akakov, ryder, etc. though

Yes he’s had a cracking career

[jamamb]

conor mcgregor fought floyd mayweather. therefore he had enough experience to challenge him. similar levels of expeirence in boxing obv.

you ducking the question yet again mate

[Ossyrules]

conor mcgregor fought floyd mayweather. therefore he had enough experience to challenge him. similar levels of expeirence in boxing obv.

I’ll call you a taxi

[jamamb]

its your logic mate. 'they fought, so he had enough experience to challenge him. experience a wash, a non-factor'

[jamamb]

best three opponents eubank had fought at the time? why avoid it?

[Ossyrules]

its your logic mate. 'they fought, so he had enough experience to challenge him. experience a wash, a non-factor'

It’s not logic, it’s just history

Saunders was marginally more experienced or developed when they fought, but was also pretty much unproven above British level when they fought

[jamamb]

saunders was commonwealth, british, lonsdale, and euro champ. had fought ryder, blackwell, blandamura, spike, hall, fletcher, etc.

now, tell me best three opposonents eubank fought.

[KiwiRider]

I was surprised when I cast my vote only to see Lemmy was way in the lead. I would have thought more would have gone with Saunders?
Lemieux has fought way better guys, sure he lost to a few and has a lot of miles on the odometer but I think he can do it.

[Ossyrules]

best three opponents eubank had fought at the time? why avoid it?

Cos it doesn’t mean anything. He fought bums, but if he’s not ready to fight an opponent at British level after 18 bouts he has some development problems

[Ossyrules]

its your logic mate. 'they fought, so he had enough experience to challenge him. experience a wash, a non-factor'

Cabs on the way

[jamamb]

to take you away so you dont have to answer my question.

come one mate. if there was really hardly anything in it you should be able to give a list similar to bjs opposition. you showing you know how bad your argument is.

[Ossyrules]

saunders was commonwealth, british, lonsdale, and euro champ. had fought ryder, blackwell, blandamura, spike, hall, fletcher, etc.

now, tell me best three opposonents eubank fought.

Hall, fletcher etc you’re having a laugh

He was marginally more experienced than eubank

[Ossyrules]

to take you away so you dont have to answer my question.

come one mate. if there was really hardly anything in it you should be able to give a list similar to bjs opposition. you showing you know how bad your argument is.

It’s outsude your house. I’ll cover the fee

[jamamb]

fletcher has beaten a fringne contender in max bursak, was former commonwealth amateur champ, fought for a wba title. hall decent at british level. then of course ryder, spike, blackwell, and the euro champ.

if there's really not much in it why do you keep dogding?

[Ossyrules]

fletcher has beaten a fringne contender in max bursak, was former commonwealth amateur champ, fought for a wba title. hall decent at british level. then of course ryder, spike, blackwell, and the euro champ.

if there's really not much in it why do you keep dogding?

Proves only that Saunders was capable at British level

[jamamb]

bjs was already the euro champ

ok, lets say this. regardless of how their opponents compare: who were best three ppl eubank had fought.

[Ossyrules]

bjs was already the euro champ

ok, lets say this. regardless of how their opponents compare: who were best three ppl eubank had fought.

Don’t confuse belts with actual level of boxing.

He’s not really world level now, but he has a belt as there’s so many on offer. Realistically in days gone by he is euro level/world level contender at best.

Let’s day this. After fighting 18 pro bouts, eubank was ready to step up to Saunders

[jamamb]

avoiding again

[jamamb]

how about this. you tell me where im wrong.

bjs best opponents at time: ryder, blackwell, spike, blandamura (current euro champ as well), fletcher, hall
titles: commonwealth, british, lonsdale, ebu
amateur: around 100 fights, loads of international tournaments, olympics
most rounds fought: 12 (5x, also done 10 once)

eubank best opponents at time: terry carruthers, stepan horvath, tyan booth, Robert Swierzbinsk, bradley pryce (bjs also fought)
titles: none
amateur: about 20 fights. no or pretty much no international experience
most rounds fought: 8 (3x)

um, ya, totally around the same level of expeirence

[Verdi]

BJS wide points decision

[jamamb]

how much money does frank have to win the location. lem with golden boy but obv not the priroity that canelo and cotto are. but more backed than a guy like 0 punches monroe.

[Ossyrules]

how about this. you tell me where im wrong.

bjs best opponents at time: ryder, blackwell, spike, blandamura (current euro champ as well), fletcher, hall
titles: commonwealth, british, lonsdale, ebu
amateur: around 100 fights, loads of international tournaments, olympics
most rounds fought: 12 (5x, also done 10 once)

eubank best opponents at time: terry carruthers, stepan horvath, tyan booth, Robert Swierzbinsk, bradley pryce (bjs also fought)
titles: none
amateur: about 20 fights. no or pretty much no international experience
most rounds fought: 8 (3x)

um, ya, totally around the same level of expeirence

Show me where I’ve put they had the same experience

If it helps you win your arguement then you can change history if you want.

[dirk2686]

how about this. you tell me where im wrong.

bjs best opponents at time: ryder, blackwell, spike, blandamura (current euro champ as well), fletcher, hall
titles: commonwealth, british, lonsdale, ebu
amateur: around 100 fights, loads of international tournaments, olympics
most rounds fought: 12 (5x, also done 10 once)

eubank best opponents at time: terry carruthers, stepan horvath, tyan booth, Robert Swierzbinsk, bradley pryce (bjs also fought)
titles: none
amateur: about 20 fights. no or pretty much no international experience
most rounds fought: 8 (3x)

um, ya, totally around the same level of expeirence

Show me where I’ve put they had the same experience

If it helps you win your arguement then you can change history if you want.

To be fair you seemed to query the suggestion Eubank was a novice due to him having 18 fights. The reality is he was a novice - some boxers rapidly escalate and others take longer. He'd had loads of basic learning fights but there's no question that in comparison to the levels Saunders had seen at he was several stages behind.

That's what made the fight so intriguing; we thought Eubank could be very good but we didn't really have anything solid to base that on.

[Ossyrules]

how about this. you tell me where im wrong.

bjs best opponents at time: ryder, blackwell, spike, blandamura (current euro champ as well), fletcher, hall
titles: commonwealth, british, lonsdale, ebu
amateur: around 100 fights, loads of international tournaments, olympics
most rounds fought: 12 (5x, also done 10 once)

eubank best opponents at time: terry carruthers, stepan horvath, tyan booth, Robert Swierzbinsk, bradley pryce (bjs also fought)
titles: none
amateur: about 20 fights. no or pretty much no international experience
most rounds fought: 8 (3x)

um, ya, totally around the same level of expeirence

Show me where I’ve put they had the same experience

If it helps you win your arguement then you can change history if you want.

To be fair you seemed to query the suggestion Eubank was a novice due to him having 18 fights. The reality is he was a novice - some boxers rapidly escalate and others take longer. He'd had loads of basic learning fights but there's no question that in comparison to the levels Saunders had seen at he was several stages behind.

That's what made the fight so intriguing; we thought Eubank could be very good but we didn't really have anything solid to base that on.

Saunders was ahead but not several stages imo

[dirk2686]

Ok then but going back to the point Eubank was clearly pretty raw and it was his first step up. And it was very close. I think Saunders is a lot closer to the fighter he was then than Eubank is.