Hardest punching Middleweight

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 07 Apr 2006, 09:42

This has probably been done but, evn so, it seems like a good Friday afternoon thread...

I thought about posting a poll but I'd only embarrass myself by missing someone out...

JC · Post by JC » 07 Apr 2006, 10:04

OK I'll start, Julian Jackson?

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 07 Apr 2006, 10:22

A lesser known middleweight, Artie Levine , huge puncher . Had a young Ray Robinson on the deck.

The Great John L · Post by **The Great John L** » 07 Apr 2006, 10:27

Eugene Hart

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 07 Apr 2006, 10:33

Jock Mcavoy, Stanley Ketchel, Ray Robinson are all up there I think... also the very underrated Freddie Steele...

JC · Post by JC » 07 Apr 2006, 10:44

How highly would you guys rate Cerdan's power?

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 07 Apr 2006, 10:50

silkov wrote:Jock Mcavoy, Stanley Ketchel, Ray Robinson are all up there I think... also the very underrated Freddie Steele...

silk thanx for mentioning freddie steele, he had one helluvia left hook. only man to floor gorrila jones i believe. he also knocked out granite chin ken overlin. i have steeles knock out of very durable gus lesnevich in 1 round, steele could bang! steele knocked out a lot of great durable fighters!

others

eugene cyclone hart
florentino fernandez- he flattened my family friend joe denucci, only time denucci was ever stopped
bennie briscoe
rodrigo valdez
john beast mugabi

the 1970s produced some of the hardest hitting middles ever

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 07 Apr 2006, 11:02

Yes, I've always liked Steele, very underrated... he was described by Ray Arcel as one of the hardest punchers that he had ever seen. Also we shouldn't forget Monzon and Mickey Walker both excellent punchers and how about Lou Brouillard? double world champion who is hardly mentioned today and a murderous puncher by all accounts....

dalek · Post by **dalek** » 07 Apr 2006, 11:05

gerald and robert as well.

Arsenal · Post by **Arsenal** » 07 Apr 2006, 11:06

Would put Benn, McClellen in there or are they rated at Super Middle?

Hoe about Hagler/Hearns?

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 07 Apr 2006, 11:08

Hearns
Jackson
Mugabi
McClellan
Benn

were all murderous punchers all around the same time.

MightyWarrior · Post by **MightyWarrior** » 07 Apr 2006, 11:23

Ruben Carter.

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 07 Apr 2006, 11:47

Shout out to the Ol Mongoose.....Archie Moore had approx 45 KOs as a middle. Just an inclusion, most the hard hitters have been named.

Ezzard · Post by **Ezzard** » 07 Apr 2006, 12:04

Graziano?

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 07 Apr 2006, 12:16

Hardest middleweight punchers, and 1 mention of Hagler? 52 KO's, 12 KO's in 16 world title fights.

Arsenal · Post by **Arsenal** » 07 Apr 2006, 12:20

Well Matty we must be the only ones who like him! I must say though with Hagler I always felt he just broke people rather than one punch power although he had that as well!

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 07 Apr 2006, 12:44

Arsenal wrote:Well Matty we must be the only ones who like him! I must say though with Hagler I always felt he just broke people rather than one punch power although he had that as well!

I agree, but I don't consider a guy with great one punch KO power the only means to deciding a hard puncher. Hatton hits like a brick, and he is an accumulation KO guy. Same with Hagler. He may not crack you harder once more than any other punch, but every punch is gonna be felt, no doubt.

PS: Ask jcs, I'm obsessed with Hagler, he fought out of Mass.

Expug · Post by **Expug** » 07 Apr 2006, 12:56

Im a great admirer of Hagler. One of my all time favorites. I always respcted his Proffesional approach to the game as well as his no nonsense take on all comers style. His willingness to fight all the super tough Philly middleweights on there home turf back in the seventies sealed it for me. Briscoe , Watts, Monroe, Cyclone Hart. He sought these guys out.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 07 Apr 2006, 13:26

silkov wrote:Yes, I've always liked Steele, very underrated... he was described by Ray Arcel as one of the hardest punchers that he had ever seen. Also we shouldn't forget Monzon and Mickey Walker both excellent punchers and how about Lou Brouillard? double world champion who is hardly mentioned today and a murderous puncher by all accounts....

don't know much about lou brouillard, what can u tell me about him that i cant find on boxrec?

Matt · Post by **Matt** » 07 Apr 2006, 15:24

Someone mentioned Freddie Steele before, but Al Hostak, IMO, was probably the better pure puncher amongst Northwest Middleweights than Steele. Hostak had a long knockout string prior to winning the title, and he had pretty much everyone he fought on the canvas at some point during a fight, with the exception of Ken Overlin.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 07 Apr 2006, 15:26

tegenm wrote:Someone mentioned Freddie Steele before, but Al Hostak, IMO, was probably the better pure puncher amongst Northwest Middleweights than Steele. Hostak had a long knockout string prior to winning the title, and he had pretty much everyone he fought on the canvas at some point during a fight, with the exception of Ken Overlin.

good point. just remember, steele knocked out overlin

Syntax Error · Post by **Syntax Error** » 07 Apr 2006, 15:30

Julian Jackson.

Honourable mention to John Mugabi.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 07 Apr 2006, 15:34

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
silkov wrote:Yes, I've always liked Steele, very underrated... he was described by Ray Arcel as one of the hardest punchers that he had ever seen. Also we shouldn't forget Monzon and Mickey Walker both excellent punchers and how about Lou Brouillard? double world champion who is hardly mentioned today and a murderous puncher by all accounts....

don't know much about lou brouillard, what can u tell me about him that i cant find on boxrec?

The youngest man to win the Welterweight title... a double champ at 21... Lou was robbed so I've read in his two fights with Marcel Thil as he was penalised rounds for low blows... very tough fighter and a deadly body puncher...

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 07 Apr 2006, 15:40

florentino fernandez another name i want to throw out there. the man could wack! in case ur skeptical about fernandez's power, he knocked out a prime jose torres!

Matt · Post by **Matt** » 07 Apr 2006, 15:59

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:
tegenm wrote:Someone mentioned Freddie Steele before, but Al Hostak, IMO, was probably the better pure puncher amongst Northwest Middleweights than Steele. Hostak had a long knockout string prior to winning the title, and he had pretty much everyone he fought on the canvas at some point during a fight, with the exception of Ken Overlin.

good point. just remember, steele knocked out overlin

Yes, that is impressive, along with Freddie's annihilation of Gus Lesnevich. Hostak had problems with good boxers, and Overlin was perhaps the best pure boxer of his era.