Pound per Pound Best Chin in History

[Tomasino]

Nah, I'd be a div like you.

Just out of interest, why do you post here? It seems to make you very angry...

Are you really that clueless?

I'm far from angry. I'm having the time of my life ridiculing pompous prigs, that actually believe they know more than everyone else. I happen to believe blinkered fanboys fully deserve to be ridiculed.

You know the old saying. If the cap fits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have also noticed there is a clique of arrogant, pompous, nonentities on this board ( of which I believe you are a member ) who honestly think it is their own little private domain.

Kalan is actually good value for money because he is a Walter Mitty character, and he knows he is. Whereas the arrogant fools are uni / college educated Walter's who actually believe their own crap.

Honestly I feel a bit sorry for you. That's no kind of life you are leading, it's pathetic really.

[Tomasino]

Are you really that clueless?

I'm far from angry. I'm having the time of my life ridiculing pompous prigs, that actually believe they know more than everyone else. I happen to believe blinkered fanboys fully deserve to be ridiculed.

You know the old saying. If the cap fits!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have also noticed there is a clique of arrogant, pompous, nonentities on this board ( of which I believe you are a member ) who honestly think it is their own little private domain.

Kalan is actually good value for money because he is a Walter Mitty character, and he knows he is. Whereas the arrogant fools are uni / college educated Walter's who actually believe their own crap.

Honestly I feel a bit sorry for you. That's no kind of life you are leading, it's pathetic really.

Don't waste your time sonny. I've a great life, all paid for by good British worker ants.

Yet you have the time of your life on the forum being a wanker

[Kalan]

Oldie, you are a true Walter Mitty. If posting on this board is the time of your life??? You need help in a major way.

You're not living well. A believer in fantasies describes you to a T. You believe you're the smartest guy here and everyone else is an ignorant fool. That way, regardless of the nonsense you post, you're free to blast everyone as a intolerable retrograde from the Pleistocene Epoch.

Sonny boy, I could never in my wildest dreams come up with the bull shite you create. The Harry Greb footage in an unremembered Chicago cinema, is without parallel.

Far from thinking I am the smartest guy here, I just love to abuse natural born LIARS, and hypocrites like you. The problem with things like you is you really don't know how hilarious you come across as. Only this week you are singing the praises of Eddie Futch because YOU claim he said Louis would have beaten Ali. Yet a few weeks ago you claimed Mr Futch was a fool because he once said SRR was the greatest he had ever seen.

That kind of moronic drivel is priceless as far as I am concerned. It says far more about your pathetic little ego than it could ever say about your knowledge. Baiting you is like shooting fish in a barrel.

P.S. I think the word you were looking for was AN intolerant, as opposed to A intolerant which is what you actually wrote.

Quote by Kolon.

you're free to blast everyone as a intolerable retrograde from the Pleistocene Epoch

Futch didn't say Robinson was the greatest and I never called him a fool you lying bastard... He said Burley was the greatest.. Also I never said I saw Harry Greb footage. The only footage I saw of him wasn't actual fights. I saw the Graziano-Zale fights in a theater when I was a 7 or 8 year old kid well after they were fought. Sometimes fights are lost or destroyed in fires or deteriorate. You're just an idiot who can't make sense so your thing is picking keyboard fights. And the word I was looking for is the one I used, intolerable, which means insufferable. Grow a brain.

[Tomasino]

Don't waste your time sonny. I've a great life, all paid for by good British worker ants.

Yet you have the time of your life on the forum being a wanker

Nah, I leave that to the likes of you. After all you were BRED for it.

Wow, such wit. Bet you've got loads of pals eh Oldie? You stinking little fanny

[man]

not an expert, but i clicked lamotta. to
me half of his career was the ability to
eat punches like cornflakes.

[elmersalsa]

not an expert, but i clicked lamotta. to
me half of his career was the ability to
eat punches like cornflakes.

A great choice, indeed. The great Jake LaMotta had one of boxing's top 3 pound per pound best chins in history.

[Esquire]

Juan Laporte had the best chin I ever saw. He went toe to toe with 7 Hall of Famers as well as good fighters that didn't quite make the HOF.

He never got wobbled once.

[Tomasino]

Nah, I leave that to the likes of you. After all you were BRED for it.

Wow, such wit. Bet you've got loads of pals eh Oldie? You stinking little fanny

I bet that took some working out in the playground. How many other kids did you have to ask before you came up with that?

thays what sprung immediately to mind reading your drivel, wee man.

[Tomasino]

I bet that took some working out in the playground. How many other kids did you have to ask before you came up with that?

thays what sprung immediately to mind reading your drivel, wee man.

Was that while you were shovelling yet another fried Mars bar down your neck?

Never even seen one before. The English who think that's what's eaten up here are truly imbeciles. Get nurse to wipe your fud and take your tablets now, bedtime little one.

[Tony1244]

Anyone that fight's Frazier/Foreman/Shavers/Norton/Lyle just to name afew big banger's and not one of them Knocks him out MUST HAVE THE GREATEST CHIN OF THEM ALL

Norton was a big banger?????? Hmmm...you should have told Foreman, Shavers, and Cooney that -- they would have been more fearful of the blooping swinger.. Besides, anyone who gets knocked down and hurt by 190-pound Sonny Banks... 185-pound Henry Cooper... and 205-pound Joe Frazier doesn't have a great chin.

Ray Mercer had an invincible chin... He wanted to fight Mike Tyson who seemed to be intimidated by Ray Mercer... Mercer fought Lennox Lewis, Tommy Morrison, Francesco Damiani, and Evander Holyfield in his prime... He took brutal shots right on the chin and was never decked by a head shot til he was 41.. He was an MMA fighter til past the age of 50.

BTW, he's fine... All those head shots he took? ... Didn't to a thing to him.

Ali had a great chin. Foreman and Shavers were 10 as punchers. Frazier was an 8 or 9. Norton was a 7 or 8. All very good punchers. A legitimate criticism on Ali would be that he wasn't great after his mid 30s. After the Thrilla in Manila, Ali was no longer great but he still showed a great chin against Shavers in 1977. Ali was a shell of himself by 1977 which is why Shavers found him so easy to hit him.

Regarding your sarcastic, "Didn't do a thing to him," I'd say most of the damage to Ali's health was done in the following fights: Ali-Frazier 3, Shavers, Spinks 1, and Holmes. Yes, Ali was so washed up by 1978 that Spinks damaged his health. Ali was the greatest HW of All Time, but was finished by 1977.

[Kalan]

Anyone that fight's Frazier/Foreman/Shavers/Norton/Lyle just to name afew big banger's and not one of them Knocks him out MUST HAVE THE GREATEST CHIN OF THEM ALL

Norton was a big banger?????? Hmmm...you should have told Foreman, Shavers, and Cooney that -- they would have been more fearful of the blooping swinger.. Besides, anyone who gets knocked down and hurt by 190-pound Sonny Banks... 185-pound Henry Cooper... and 205-pound Joe Frazier doesn't have a great chin.

Ray Mercer had an invincible chin... He wanted to fight Mike Tyson who seemed to be intimidated by Ray Mercer... Mercer fought Lennox Lewis, Tommy Morrison, Francesco Damiani, and Evander Holyfield in his prime... He took brutal shots right on the chin and was never decked by a head shot til he was 41.. He was an MMA fighter til past the age of 50.

BTW, he's fine... All those head shots he took? ... Didn't to a thing to him.

Ali had a great chin. Foreman and Shavers were 10 as punchers. Frazier was an 8 or 9. Norton was a 7 or 8. All very good punchers. A legitimate criticism on Ali would be that he wasn't great after his mid 30s. After the Thrilla in Manila, Ali was no longer great but he still showed a great chin against Shavers in 1977. Ali was a shell of himself by 1977 which is why Shavers found him so easy to hit him.

Regarding your sarcastic, "Didn't do a thing to him," I'd say most of the damage to Ali's health was done in the following fights: Ali-Frazier 3, Shavers, Spinks 1, and Holmes. Yes, Ali was so washed up by 1978 that Spinks damaged his health. Ali was the greatest HW of All Time, but was finished by 1977.

Norton was no puncher.. Norton was intimidated by punchers.. Shaver's was badly overrated and no 10 puncher... Quarry, Stander and Cobb took his best shots and stopped him -- If Ali withstood Shavers bombs how about Bob Stallings??? Ol' Bob was super to hit and lost most of his fights, recording a record of 21-24, including several KO losses up to the time he fought Shavers...but Ol' Bob Stallings beat Shavers' ass anyway.

As far as Ali's "health" is concerned... What about Ray Mercer's "health?" ... Mercer wasn't that hard to hit. He fought some real bombers who were bigger, taller, stronger, and punched harder than the guys Ali fought.. Lennox Lewis, Shannon Briggs, Tommy Morrison, Francesco Damiani, and Wladimir Klitschko had a higher average KO ratio than Frazier, Norton, Foreman, Shavers, and Lyle.. Mercer was actually stopped twice when he was well beyond the age for 40 -- and Ali quit before he was 40.

[Tomasino]

Was that while you were shovelling yet another fried Mars bar down your neck?

Never even seen one before. The English who think that's what's eaten up here are truly imbeciles. Get nurse to wipe your fud and take your tablets now, bedtime little one.

The English don't CARE what happens up there. Now off you go for another fried Mars bar and as much whiskey as you can spew up on the way back to the tenement.

[Syntax Error]

Anyone that fight's Frazier/Foreman/Shavers/Norton/Lyle just to name afew big banger's and not one of them Knocks him out MUST HAVE THE GREATEST CHIN OF THEM ALL

Norton was a big banger?????? Hmmm...you should have told Foreman, Shavers, and Cooney that -- they would have been more fearful of the blooping swinger.. Besides, anyone who gets knocked down and hurt by 190-pound Sonny Banks... 185-pound Henry Cooper... and 205-pound Joe Frazier doesn't have a great chin.

Ray Mercer had an invincible chin... He wanted to fight Mike Tyson who seemed to be intimidated by Ray Mercer... Mercer fought Lennox Lewis, Tommy Morrison, Francesco Damiani, and Evander Holyfield in his prime... He took brutal shots right on the chin and was never decked by a head shot til he was 41.. He was an MMA fighter til past the age of 50.

BTW, he's fine... All those head shots he took? ... Didn't to a thing to him.

Perhaps Mercer was lucky not to be predisposed to neurological conditions?

You denigrate Ali for taking too many punches and citing his eventual decline as a consequence of that, yet you marvel at Ray Mercer for taking shots & not suffering from any neurological conditions in his post boxing life.

Also, the knockdowns you cited for Ali are all relative to his size: He wasn't much heavier than those listed weights, so it's not as if he was floored by very much lighter men.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

The two biggest punches I've ever seen a fighter take without going down were the right hand Ali ate from Shavers at the end of round two and Barkley hit Duran with a hook that made his head do an exorcist spin in I believe round eight. That right hand from earnie might have been more flush than the one that dropped Holmes. Questioning his chin is absurd, even for the idiot Kalan.

[Tony1244]

Norton was a big banger?????? Hmmm...you should have told Foreman, Shavers, and Cooney that -- they would have been more fearful of the blooping swinger.. Besides, anyone who gets knocked down and hurt by 190-pound Sonny Banks... 185-pound Henry Cooper... and 205-pound Joe Frazier doesn't have a great chin.

Ray Mercer had an invincible chin... He wanted to fight Mike Tyson who seemed to be intimidated by Ray Mercer... Mercer fought Lennox Lewis, Tommy Morrison, Francesco Damiani, and Evander Holyfield in his prime... He took brutal shots right on the chin and was never decked by a head shot til he was 41.. He was an MMA fighter til past the age of 50.

BTW, he's fine... All those head shots he took? ... Didn't to a thing to him.

Ali had a great chin. Foreman and Shavers were 10 as punchers. Frazier was an 8 or 9. Norton was a 7 or 8. All very good punchers. A legitimate criticism on Ali would be that he wasn't great after his mid 30s. After the Thrilla in Manila, Ali was no longer great but he still showed a great chin against Shavers in 1977. Ali was a shell of himself by 1977 which is why Shavers found him so easy to hit him.

Regarding your sarcastic, "Didn't do a thing to him," I'd say most of the damage to Ali's health was done in the following fights: Ali-Frazier 3, Shavers, Spinks 1, and Holmes. Yes, Ali was so washed up by 1978 that Spinks damaged his health. Ali was the greatest HW of All Time, but was finished by 1977.

Norton was no puncher.. Norton was intimidated by punchers.. Shaver's was badly overrated and no 10 puncher... Quarry, Stander and Cobb took his best shots and stopped him -- If Ali withstood Shavers bombs how about Bob Stallings??? Ol' Bob was super to hit and lost most of his fights, recording a record of 21-24, including several KO losses up to the time he fought Shavers...but Ol' Bob Stallings beat Shavers' ass anyway.

As far as Ali's "health" is concerned... What about Ray Mercer's "health?" ... Mercer wasn't that hard to hit. He fought some real bombers who were bigger, taller, stronger, and punched harder than the guys Ali fought.. Lennox Lewis, Shannon Briggs, Tommy Morrison, Francesco Damiani, and Wladimir Klitschko had a higher average KO ratio than Frazier, Norton, Foreman, Shavers, and Lyle.. Mercer was actually stopped twice when he was well beyond the age for 40 -- and Ali quit before he was 40.

Norton was an excellent puncher. You had to be a good puncher to stop Quarry in the way that he did. Watch Norton's highlight. He had good power.

What is the point of comparing Ali's and Mercer's health at a given age? I thought we were comparing best chins at the time they were the best chins. If you're going by healthy old people, that may make Henry Cooper the best.

No one claims that Shavers couldn't be beaten.

[BoxBuzz]

The two biggest punches I've ever seen a fighter take without going down were the right hand Ali ate from Shavers at the end of round two and Barkley hit Duran with a hook that made his head do an exorcist spin in I believe round eight. That right hand from earnie might have been more flush than the one that dropped Holmes. Questioning his chin is absurd, even for the idiot Kalan.

In the case of Duran/Barkley, it speaks to why I don't think Tommy's performance would be easily repeatable, AND to just how hard Tommy can crack....both in a single demonstratable moment. In that case, it was a clear case of irresistible force OVER immovable object......and for what it's worth....I've always thought that Tommy's mastersmack of Marvin's noggin (that did not produce the same result) was a result of unique and remarkable physics along the line of the Liston/Ali phantom punch.

I believe that Tommy's punch was compromised by his bones giving out in a way that bent them to the point of breaking.....I do believe a serious hand injury was part of the record correct?

It's a long physics story, of what might have transpired....and yes I don't know for sure, and it's my imagined scenario....but none of that takes away that what I am describing has a high percentage possibility of being correct. In that case it was the immovable object that triumphed.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Gerry Penalosa and Wayne McCullough are at least honorable mentions.

[Kalan]

Norton was an excellent puncher. You had to be a good puncher to stop Quarry in the way that he did. Watch Norton's highlight ...
What is the point of comparing Ali's and Mercer's health at a given age? I thought we were comparing bets chins at the time they were the best chins ... If you're going by healthy old people, that may make Henry Cooper the best ... No one claims that Shavers couldn't be beaten

You didn't have to be a good puncher to stop a much smaller Quarry when he was washed up and in incredibly poor physical condition... Quarry was in the worst shape of his life to that point -- so he tried for an early KO which didn't work... Jerry was too small... Norton bullied him with his size and strength, hit him about a million times, and finally they stopped it.. An exhausted Quarry was flagging badly like he did in the 2nd Ali fight.. It was no power display.

When you get damaged by punches when you're young -- your health WILL deteriorate by your mid 30's like Ali's and Arturo Gatti's did... Note that didn't happen to Larry Holmes who took punches a lot better and had a much stronger chin... Holmes fought to age 52 with no ill effects.

Henry Cooper got hit when he was young -- when he was old -- and in between.. He quit at only 37 after losing to -- would you believe -- a very green Joe Bugner. Cooper wasn't as healthy as Max Schmeling, who fought into his 40's.. worked as an executive until he was about 80.. and lived to be 99.. He also spoke several languages including a fairly fluent command of English. He took a fair shot and got stopped a few times -- but not like Cooper.

No one claimed Shavers couldn't be beaten -- even by very soft chinned, cherry-picked Bob Stallings -- whose ring record was 21-24 when he beat Shavers..

[Kalan]

The two biggest punches I've ever seen a fighter take without going down were the right hand Ali ate from Shavers at the end of round two and Barkley hit Duran with a hook that made his head do an exorcist spin in I believe round eight. That right hand from earnie might have been more flush than the one that dropped Holmes. Questioning his chin is absurd, even for the idiot Kalan.

I keep telling you you're the idiot around here numbnuts. You're confused.

Ali got dropped by 191-pound Sonny Banks.. 185-pound Cooper.. and 205-pound Joe Frazier...who was dribbled around like a basketball by George Foreman.. They hit Ali a lot more accurately than the often beaten Shavers did and all floored him.. The fighters who dropped Holmes were bigger and stronger.. Holmes didn't get dropped in his last 24 fights after fighting Tyson.. He put on up to 40 pounds and absorbed the incoming better.

[ClivePatrickLyons]

Norton was an excellent puncher. You had to be a good puncher to stop Quarry in the way that he did. Watch Norton's highlight ...
What is the point of comparing Ali's and Mercer's health at a given age? I thought we were comparing bets chins at the time they were the best chins ... If you're going by healthy old people, that may make Henry Cooper the best ... No one claims that Shavers couldn't be beaten

You didn't have to be a good puncher to stop a much smaller Quarry when he was washed up and in incredibly poor physical condition... Quarry was in the worst shape of his life to that point -- so he tried for an early KO which didn't work... Jerry was too small... Norton bullied him with his size and strength, hit him about a million times, and finally they stopped it.. An exhausted Quarry was flagging badly like he did in the 2nd Ali fight.. It was no power display.

When you get damaged by punches when you're young -- your health WILL deteriorate by your mid 30's like Ali's and Arturo Gatti's did... Note that didn't happen to Larry Holmes who took punches a lot better and had a much stronger chin... Holmes fought to age 52 with no ill effects.

Henry Cooper got hit when he was young -- when he was old -- and in between.. He quit at only 37 after losing to -- would you believe -- a very green Joe Bugner. Cooper wasn't as healthy as Max Schmeling, who fought into his 40's.. worked as an executive until he was about 80.. and lived to be 99.. He also spoke several languages including a fairly fluent command of English. He took a fair shot and got stopped a few times -- but not like Cooper.

No one claimed Shavers couldn't be beaten -- even by very soft chinned, cherry-picked Bob Stallings -- whose ring record was 21-24 when he beat Shavers..

Norton could punch you are up to it again Kalan bending the truth to suit your argument you need to stop with this childish poo mate. Honesty is the way to go mate.

[Kalan]

Oldie you're a brainless moron... It had everything to do with size... Marquez would not get into a boxing ring with a very skilled big man cuz he'd get killed.. Floyd decked JMM and punched the shiit out of the smaller guy.. Marquez nailed Pacquiao with one of the most perfect counters thrown this century... Pacman jumped in and was right hooking and missing so hard that Marquez was looking straight at his back when he fell on his face. When have you seen that? Obviously you can knock a man about your own size out cold so it wasn't super amazing.

Foreman was 6'3" X 217 and obviously his punches were going to do a lot more damage to fat little Frazier than Frazier's hapless swings were going to do to the bigger, more powerful, rock hard, perfectly conditioned Foreman -- who was in the best shape of his life for their 1st encounter and wasted Smokin'

It's easy to say that a little guy could KO a 300 pound man.. Valuev was very easy to hit and Haye is a great puncher and couldn't put him away.. Dempsey said hitting Jess Willard was like throwing a pine cone at the side of a barn.. It sure seemed to be easy.. He hit Willard with the kitchen sink and couldn't keep him on the canvas.. Stanley Ketchel loaded up and floored the 35 pound heavier Jack Johnson.. When Johnson returned the favor a few seconds later, he embalmed Ketchel.. Now the strength of the chin has something to do with it as well as size -- but they don't match Featherweights with Middleweights.

Dick Tiger had a great chin.. Easy to hit but nobody ever came close to stopping him at Middleweight.. He fought big punching Light Heavyweight Bob Foster and it was LIGHT'S OUT!!! ... Likewise, when Bob Foster fought the much bigger Joe Frazier he was soon knocked cold... And when Frazier met Foreman something very similar happened -- he couldn't stand up to the power of the bigger, stronger man.. Size matters. That's what weight divisions are all about.

[Tomasino]

The English don't CARE what happens up there. Now off you go for another fried Mars bar and as much whiskey as you can spew up on the way back to the tenement.

Good to see you laughing at yourself, just like the rest of us laugh at you.

Us? Your on your own, youve made that much obvious.

[Tomasino]

Good to see you laughing at yourself, just like the rest of us laugh at you.

Us? Your on your own, youve made that much obvious.

Probably because most think your schoolgirl name calling is too pathetic to acknowledge. " Stinky Fanny " come on ffs cretin, even my 10 year old grand daughter wouldn't stoop to that. She thinks she is far too grown up, and I suppose she is if you are the alternative.

Oldie, I guarantee that you are a fantasist, loser and social misfit. I've read very few of your posts but the ones I have scream out self loathing. Give yourself a break eh.

[Tomasino]

The irony of a kilt nasty, with a wannabee Italian name who claims to be grown up yet calls someone " stinky fanny " then describes them as a social misfit is priceless.

If you are not the stereotypical whisky sodden Jock who could start a fight in an empty church, you should be. You might find it is an improvement.

"Stinking little fanny"

[Kalan]

As you can see -- we've again detoured from the subject matter to a keyboard pissing contest ... which kills the thread off every time.

As I said before -- the ability to take a shot has everything to do with size... Marquez would not get into a boxing ring with a very skilled big man cuz he'd get killed.. Floyd decked JMM and punched the shiit out of the smaller guy -- who jumped 2 weight classes in 1 fight.. Marquez nailed Pacquiao with one of the most perfect counters thrown this century... Pacman jumped in and was right hooking and missing so hard that Marquez was looking straight at his back when he fell on his face. When have you seen that? Obviously you can knock a man about your own size out cold so it wasn't super amazing.

Foreman was 6'3" X 217 and obviously his punches were going to do a lot more damage to fat little Frazier than Frazier's hapless swings were going to do to the bigger, more powerful, rock hard, perfectly conditioned Foreman -- who was in the best shape of his life for their 1st encounter and wasted Smokin'

It's easy to say that a little guy could KO a 300 pound man.. Valuev was very easy to hit and Haye is a great puncher and couldn't put him away.. Dempsey said hitting Jess Willard was like throwing a pine cone at the side of a barn.. It sure seemed to be easy.. He hit Willard with the kitchen sink and couldn't keep him on the canvas.. Stanley Ketchel loaded up and floored the 35 pound heavier Jack Johnson.. When Johnson returned the favor a few seconds later, he embalmed Ketchel.. Now the strength of the chin has something to do with it as well as size -- but they don't match Featherweights with Middleweights.

Dick Tiger had a great chin.. Easy to hit but nobody ever came close to stopping him at Middleweight.. He fought big punching Light Heavyweight Bob Foster and it was LIGHT'S OUT!!! ... Likewise, when Bob Foster fought the much bigger Joe Frazier he was soon knocked cold... And when Frazier met Foreman something very similar happened -- he couldn't stand up to the power of the bigger, stronger man.. Size matters. That's what weight divisions are all about.