Where is Gary Russell?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

jojo just a fast hand guy. russell even faster and better power. russell actuaally really good but career way too slow.

Diaz wants to be the best and he is not afraid to fight the best to get there. A loss to TRex Jr will not end his career. A win puts him in the mix with the best.

I think that fighters should be praised, not labeled fools, for challenging the best. Trout is a good example. He never shied away from a challenge.

What is Diaz other option? Perpetually fight gatekeepers on Canelo undercards?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I'll also add that while the match up doesn't appear to be a great one for him, Russell's inactivity showed in his last fight. Escandon was landing way more than he should have. Good, solid match up. I don't love Diaz' chances, but I loved Lubin's.

[jamamb]

jojo just a fast hand guy. russell even faster and better power. russell actuaally really good but career way too slow.

Diaz wants to be the best and he is not afraid to fight the best to get there. A loss to TRex Jr will not end his career. A win puts him in the mix with the best.

I think that fighters should be praised, not labeled fools, for challenging the best. Trout is a good example. He never shied away from a challenge.

ya agree mate

[jockpunk]

JoJo Diaz is a fool if he fights russell. Actually Golden Boy is the bigger fool.

Why do you feel that they are fools for making this fight?

Because he has zero chance of winning. And considering he is one of like 3 guys with Golden Boy that have any chance of being in big money fights, I do not think it is a good career move. Russell has said he will go to 130 if he can't get fights at 126. If I were golden boy i would wait him out and fight for the vacant belt. Or try to convince arum to make a fight with Valdez or whoever promotes frampton. Those are fights he could actually win.

[Kalan]

Because Floyd is a racist. So is Haymon.

What justification do you have for your utterly vile accusation?

Floyd is on record calling himself a "silverback" and other terms that black racists use to connote racial superiority... He called Pacquiao a "yellow man" and made other racial comments about him.. When he talks basketball he slams any non-black player as somebody the media is trying to build up.. And the general slamming of Golovkin is something Floyd has been doing for years, though he had no intention of ever fighting him.

Haymon seemed to be keeping Artur Beterbiev on the shelf forever and as far away from Stevenson as possible, while feeding AS every soft white opponent there is who's a total mismatch.. The whole circus with McGregor is something the NSAC shouldn't have allowed.. But I understand it's big business.. The whole sick affair had racial overtones to it.. You knew it was going to happen as surely as the "Snake River Canyon Motorcycle Jump."

There're more white racists than black racists, but whoever pushes the theme is out of line... With Donald Trump we seem to be getting a resurgence of it.

[Tanzio]

JoJo Diaz is a fool if he fights russell. Actually Golden Boy is the bigger fool.

Why do you feel that they are fools for making this fight?

Because he has zero chance of winning. And considering he is one of like 3 guys with Golden Boy that have any chance of being in big money fights, I do not think it is a good career move. Russell has said he will go to 130 if he can't get fights at 126. If I were golden boy i would wait him out and fight for the vacant belt. Or try to convince arum to make a fight with Valdez or whoever promotes frampton. Those are fights he could actually win.

Fair enough. I disagree. As Saad pointed out above, TRex Jr got hit waaay too much by a guy a level or two below Diaz last time out. I would favor TRex Jr but Diaz would have considerably more than "zero chance of winning."

I think that the experience of fighting TRex Jr would be invaluable, win, lose or draw.

[Enlightened-One]

Because Floyd is a racist. So is Haymon.

What justification do you have for your utterly vile accusation?

Floyd is on record calling himself a "silverback" and other terms that black racists use to connote racial superiority... He called Pacquiao a "yellow man" and made other racial comments about him.. When he talks basketball he slams any non-black player as somebody the media is trying to build up.. And the general slamming of Golovkin is something Floyd has been doing for years, though he had no intention of ever fighting him.

Haymon seemed to be keeping Artur Beterbiev on the shelf forever and as far away from Stevenson as possible, while feeding AS every soft white opponent there is who's a total mismatch.. The whole circus with McGregor is something the NSAC shouldn't have allowed.. But I understand it's big business.. The whole sick affair had racial overtones to it.. You knew it was going to happen as surely as the "Snake River Canyon Motorcycle Jump."

There're more white racists than black racists, but whoever pushes the theme is out of line... With Donald Trump we seem to be getting a resurgence of it.

Floyd has previously used inappropriate terminology on a one-off basis, where he apologised immediately for his actions, whilst making sure he didn't repeat them.

His love interests, staff and fighters are from a very diverse racial backgrounds... and they always have been.

In regards to Al Haymon, he doesn't communicate to the media and his friends, colleagues, staff and fighters are all from a very diverse set of racial backgrounds. So there's no evidence to justify your allegation against him.

Everything else you've stated has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with race.

I'm actually feeling a little embarrassed for you, because your attempt to justify your hateful, vile and fictitious accusation was ãrsē clenchingly weak!

You have to do better than that! FFS! Submit a compelling argument that is supported with evidence that cannot be refuted... or admit you were wrong and then remain silent!

If you're going to accuse someone of being racist, you have to back it up!

All you've done is explain the reasons why you don't like Mayweather and Haymon, but your irrelevant rant doesn't actually support your argument.

[jujigatame]

Even if the Diaz fight happens (which is no guarantee) it does seem like Russell has been badly mismanaged. He's in his prime, it's 2.5 years since he beat Gonzalez to get his belt, he should be getting a big fight with someone like Mares, not acting as a step-up opponent for a prospect like Diaz. Especially considering they're only getting him 1 fight per year.

[gilgamesh]

I'll also add that while the match up doesn't appear to be a great one for him, Russell's inactivity showed in his last fight. Escandon was landing way more than he should have. Good, solid match up. I don't love Diaz' chances, but I loved Lubin's.

I felt for ya on that one. I was picking Lubin myself, but I didn't have any money riding on it.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I'll also add that while the match up doesn't appear to be a great one for him, Russell's inactivity showed in his last fight. Escandon was landing way more than he should have. Good, solid match up. I don't love Diaz' chances, but I loved Lubin's.

I felt for ya on that one. I was picking Lubin myself, but I didn't have any money riding on it.

No big deal, gambling losses don't get less painful than a blowout. Unless you're betting without the money. LOL. Good day in the NFL today, still down, but not as bad.

"These tournamnets aren't pressure. Pressure is a putt for a $10 bet with $5 in your pocket."

-Lee Trevino

[Best Coast]

Because Floyd is a racist. So is Haymon.

What justification do you have for your utterly vile accusation?

Floyd is on record calling himself a "silverback" and other terms that black racists use to connote racial superiority... He called Pacquiao a "yellow man" and made other racial comments about him.. When he talks basketball he slams any non-black player as somebody the media is trying to build up.. And the general slamming of Golovkin is something Floyd has been doing for years, though he had no intention of ever fighting him.

Haymon seemed to be keeping Artur Beterbiev on the shelf forever and as far away from Stevenson as possible, while feeding AS every soft white opponent there is who's a total mismatch.. The whole circus with McGregor is something the NSAC shouldn't have allowed.. But I understand it's big business.. The whole sick affair had racial overtones to it.. You knew it was going to happen as surely as the "Snake River Canyon Motorcycle Jump."

There're more white racists than black racists, but whoever pushes the theme is out of line... With Donald Trump we seem to be getting a resurgence of it.

The "racial overtones" of Floyd-McGregor were superficial and hype-related. In the end they hugged it out and made their peace. You may not have been around for Holmes-Cooney in early 1980s but the racial overtones of THAT one were far more real than May-McG.

While you whine about Trump's "racial resurgence" you conveniently ignore the fact that many black folks believed race relations took a major downturn when your hero Obama was president:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/05/politics/ ... ions-poll/

Overall, 54% say relations between blacks and whites have gotten worse since Obama became president, including 57% of whites and 40% of blacks. That's up sharply compared with last June, when 43% said things had gotten worse shortly after a racially motivated shooting at a black church in Charleston, South Carolina.

Last but not least, feel free to provide a link of Floyd calling himself a "silverback". A silverback is a type of gorilla and it's hard to imagine Floyd comparing himself to an ape!!

In fact I googled Floyd Mayweather, Silverback and came up empty. My hunch is that you hate Floyd because he has supported Trump and attended his inauguration.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ear ... 7e361e356f

Floyd Mayweather has expressed support for President Trump in the past, and he attended January’s inauguration. More recently, the once-again retired boxer even offered a defense of Trump’s infamous “Access Hollywood” comments, saying it was the kind of “locker-room talk” in which “real men” engage.

Mayweather, who came out of retirement last month to defeat Conor McGregor and run his record to 50-0, said he could call Trump “directly” on his phone. In January, ahead of the inauguration, he said, “He’s never been mean to me. Donald Trump came out to support me for the Manny Pacquiao fight [in 2015], and I was appreciative for that.”

[Kalan]

Because he lost badly to Vasyl Lomachenko when Loma had a grand total of 2 professional fights. If Russell knocked Frampton, Santa Cruz, Cellar, Selby, and Mares all out---which he would if he fought them---it would be a big boost to Lomachenko. That's the last thing Haymon or his buddy Floyd want.

He doesn’t knock out Frampton, LSC or selby. Don’t know enough about the other 2. Be serious

Be serious yourself... He's the best World Featherweight Champion with no takers among the top Featherweights... They all know he'd flatten them.

[Kalan]

What justification do you have for your utterly vile accusation?

Floyd is on record calling himself a "silverback" and other terms that black racists use to connote racial superiority... He called Pacquiao a "yellow man" and made other racial comments about him.. When he talks basketball he slams any non-black player as somebody the media is trying to build up.. And the general slamming of Golovkin is something Floyd has been doing for years, though he had no intention of ever fighting him.

Haymon seemed to be keeping Artur Beterbiev on the shelf forever and as far away from Stevenson as possible, while feeding AS every soft white opponent there is who's a total mismatch.. The whole circus with McGregor is something the NSAC shouldn't have allowed.. But I understand it's big business.. The whole sick affair had racial overtones to it.. You knew it was going to happen as surely as the "Snake River Canyon Motorcycle Jump."

There're more white racists than black racists, but whoever pushes the theme is out of line... With Donald Trump we seem to be getting a resurgence of it.

The "racial overtones" of Floyd-McGregor were superficial and hype-related. In the end they hugged it out and made their peace. You may not have been around for Holmes-Cooney in early 1980s but the racial overtones of THAT one were far more real than May-McG.

While you whine about Trump's "racial resurgence" you conveniently ignore the fact that many black folks believed race relations took a major downturn when your hero Obama was president:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/05/politics/ ... ions-poll/

Overall, 54% say relations between blacks and whites have gotten worse since Obama became president, including 57% of whites and 40% of blacks. That's up sharply compared with last June, when 43% said things had gotten worse shortly after a racially motivated shooting at a black church in Charleston, South Carolina.

Last but not least, feel free to provide a link of Floyd calling himself a "silverback". A silverback is a type of gorilla and it's hard to imagine Floyd comparing himself to an ape!!

In fact I googled Floyd Mayweather, Silverback and came up empty. My hunch is that you hate Floyd because he has supported Trump and attended his inauguration.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ear ... 7e361e356f

Floyd Mayweather has expressed support for President Trump in the past, and he attended January’s inauguration. More recently, the once-again retired boxer even offered a defense of Trump’s infamous “Access Hollywood” comments, saying it was the kind of “locker-room talk” in which “real men” engage.

Mayweather, who came out of retirement last month to defeat Conor McGregor and run his record to 50-0, said he could call Trump “directly” on his phone. In January, ahead of the inauguration, he said, “He’s never been mean to me. Donald Trump came out to support me for the Manny Pacquiao fight [in 2015], and I was appreciative for that.”

Floyd is a business man first.. last.. and always.. He doesn't care if he has to do business with the devil (Trump)... And one of the times Floyd made his "Silverback" remarks was when he was watching a telecast of Juan Manuel Marquez drinking his own pee in preparation for his Floyd fight... Floyd said,"If he wants some piss, I'll give him some. I'll give him some SILVERBACK... Floyd said that a couple times on that Mayweather-Marquez 24/7 segment.

Obama needed a lot of white votes to get elected and reelected... And he did extremely well... He brought the annual budget deficit down from 1.6 Trillion a year (where Dubya had it in 2008) to 400 Billion which is a 75% reduction... He maneuvered America's economy out of the Great Recession that Dubya Bush dumped us into... He reduced the crime and incarceration rate substantially... The stock market tripled under Obama's watch... Unemployment went from 10% and millions being thrown out of work in the Great Recession to under 5%... And many international trade agreements and cooperative agreements were negotiated and signed under Obama's watch.. He was a workaholic president.. Now we've got another indolent like Dubya.

Hillary Clinton is just not as astute a politician as Obama.. She didn't push his statistics and achievements as much as she should have.. Maybe she thought beating Trump would be easy -- because she was consistently ahead on all the polls and still resented Obama steamrolling her in 2008.

Obama had no problem giving Bill Clinton credit.. He shouted Clinton's numbers and achievements from the rooftops.. So Obama was a much smarter campaigner who concentrated his major efforts on the swing states.. Hillary liked the cheering crowds in the blue states and thought she was a shoo in.

[Ossyrules]

Because he lost badly to Vasyl Lomachenko when Loma had a grand total of 2 professional fights. If Russell knocked Frampton, Santa Cruz, Cellar, Selby, and Mares all out---which he would if he fought them---it would be a big boost to Lomachenko. That's the last thing Haymon or his buddy Floyd want.

He doesn’t knock out Frampton, LSC or selby. Don’t know enough about the other 2. Be serious

Be serious yourself... He's the best World Featherweight Champion with no takers among the top Featherweights... They all know he'd flatten them.

Be serious kalan and don’t exaggerate and you’d have a chance

[Kalan]

It's no exaggeration... Russell is by far the best Featherweight and he's being studiously ducked by ALL the top Featherweights.. Even though he has a World Title... Come get that World Title if you're not afraid... Don't make excuses for these ducking A-Hole bastards at 126... Let's have the best fight the best.

[Best Coast]

Floyd is on record calling himself a "silverback" and other terms that black racists use to connote racial superiority... He called Pacquiao a "yellow man" and made other racial comments about him.. When he talks basketball he slams any non-black player as somebody the media is trying to build up.. And the general slamming of Golovkin is something Floyd has been doing for years, though he had no intention of ever fighting him.

Haymon seemed to be keeping Artur Beterbiev on the shelf forever and as far away from Stevenson as possible, while feeding AS every soft white opponent there is who's a total mismatch.. The whole circus with McGregor is something the NSAC shouldn't have allowed.. But I understand it's big business.. The whole sick affair had racial overtones to it.. You knew it was going to happen as surely as the "Snake River Canyon Motorcycle Jump."

There're more white racists than black racists, but whoever pushes the theme is out of line... With Donald Trump we seem to be getting a resurgence of it.

The "racial overtones" of Floyd-McGregor were superficial and hype-related. In the end they hugged it out and made their peace. You may not have been around for Holmes-Cooney in early 1980s but the racial overtones of THAT one were far more real than May-McG.

While you whine about Trump's "racial resurgence" you conveniently ignore the fact that many black folks believed race relations took a major downturn when your hero Obama was president:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/05/politics/ ... ions-poll/

Overall, 54% say relations between blacks and whites have gotten worse since Obama became president, including 57% of whites and 40% of blacks. That's up sharply compared with last June, when 43% said things had gotten worse shortly after a racially motivated shooting at a black church in Charleston, South Carolina.

Last but not least, feel free to provide a link of Floyd calling himself a "silverback". A silverback is a type of gorilla and it's hard to imagine Floyd comparing himself to an ape!!

In fact I googled Floyd Mayweather, Silverback and came up empty. My hunch is that you hate Floyd because he has supported Trump and attended his inauguration.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ear ... 7e361e356f

Floyd Mayweather has expressed support for President Trump in the past, and he attended January’s inauguration. More recently, the once-again retired boxer even offered a defense of Trump’s infamous “Access Hollywood” comments, saying it was the kind of “locker-room talk” in which “real men” engage.

Mayweather, who came out of retirement last month to defeat Conor McGregor and run his record to 50-0, said he could call Trump “directly” on his phone. In January, ahead of the inauguration, he said, “He’s never been mean to me. Donald Trump came out to support me for the Manny Pacquiao fight [in 2015], and I was appreciative for that.”

Floyd is a business man first.. last.. and always.. He doesn't care if he has to do business with the devil (Trump)... And one of the times Floyd made his "Silverback" remarks was when he was watching a telecast of Juan Manuel Marquez drinking his own pee in preparation for his Floyd fight... Floyd said,"If he wants some piss, I'll give him some. I'll give him some SILVERBACK... Floyd said that a couple times on that Mayweather-Marquez 24/7 segment.

Obama needed a lot of white votes to get elected and reelected... And he did extremely well... He brought the annual budget deficit down from 1.6 Trillion a year (where Dubya had it in 2008) to 400 Billion which is a 75% reduction... He maneuvered America's economy out of the Great Recession that Dubya Bush dumped us into... He reduced the crime and incarceration rate substantially... The stock market tripled under Obama's watch... Unemployment went from 10% and millions being thrown out of work in the Great Recession to under 5%... And many international trade agreements and cooperative agreements were negotiated and signed under Obama's watch.. He was a workaholic president.. Now we've got another indolent like Dubya.

Hillary Clinton is just not as astute a politician as Obama.. She didn't push his statistics and achievements as much as she should have.. Maybe she thought beating Trump would be easy -- because she was consistently ahead on all the polls and still resented Obama steamrolling her in 2008.

Obama had no problem giving Bill Clinton credit.. He shouted Clinton's numbers and achievements from the rooftops.. So Obama was a much smarter campaigner who concentrated his major efforts on the swing states.. Hillary liked the cheering crowds in the blue states and thought she was a shoo in.

Floyd IS a businessman but he has never done business with Trump. You obviously didnt read the Washington Post article I linked (or even read the quotes I showed above). Otherwise you would know that Floyd and Trump have had a casual, friendly relationship but have had no business dealings, either before or after Trump was elected President:

Mayweather, who came out of retirement last month to defeat Conor McGregor and run his record to 50-0, said he could call Trump “directly” on his phone. In January, ahead of the inauguration, he said, “He’s never been mean to me. Donald Trump came out to support me for the Manny Pacquiao fight [in 2015], and I was appreciative for that.”

As for Obama, he did get lots of white votes in 2008 and 2012. But the poll I quoted was taken in OCTOBER 2016, only a MONTH before the 2016 election. 57% of whites and 40% of blacks said race relations WORSENED under Obama and that's a big reason Trump won. All those middle-class whites in Rust Belt states who had voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012 were tired of his divisiveness went for Trump in 2016.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/05/politics/ ... ions-poll/

Overall, 54% say relations between blacks and whites have gotten worse since Obama became president, including 57% of whites and 40% of blacks. That's up sharply compared with last June, when 43% said things had gotten worse shortly after a racially motivated shooting at a black church in Charleston, South Carolina.

Even black folks who DIDN'T vote for Trump a month later were sick of Obama's cop-hating racist homies from Black LIES Matter:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing- ... ves-matter

"Two out of three black people prefer the term 'all lives matter' to 'black lives matter,' according to a Rasmussen poll.

Only 31% of black people surveyed said that the statement 'black lives matter' most closely fits their own beliefs, compared to 64% who chose 'all lives matter.'

[Ossyrules]

It's no exaggeration... Russell is by far the best Featherweight and he's being studiously ducked by ALL the top Featherweights.. Even though he has a World Title... Come get that World Title if you're not afraid... Don't make excuses for these ducking A-Hole bastards at 126... Let's have the best fight the best.

I’ll agree with wanting the best to fight the best

[Kalan]

The way things stand with the various orgs on the take.. The promoters protected boxers who don't want to fight Russell.. and Haymon helping them all out.. that is not going to happen.. They're able to fight 2nd raters and Russell has been forced to for years.