wilder is almost 32. this ain't getting better.

[gilgamesh]

“I’m the most frustrated guy around,” said Wilder. “I don’t understand. The best are supposed to fight the best, right? I’ve always done that. I called (Wladimir) Klitschko out years ago.

i find this very, very hard to believe.

What do you find hard to believe exactly?

[marvelous marv]

In defense of Wlad, he said that the winner of Wlad-Joshua must fight Wilder to create one champion at heavy.

[man]

“I’m the most frustrated guy around,” said Wilder. “I don’t understand. The best are supposed to fight the best, right? I’ve always done that. I called (Wladimir) Klitschko out years ago.

i find this very, very hard to believe.

What do you find hard to believe exactly?

look at all title holders of the WBC belt
and show me one who has this stunningly
weak opposition in seven fights. it is just
accidentally the man who had been the
subject of criticism from very early on in
his pro career for his careful opposition
choices, to phrase it kindly.

now this very man basically claims he is
the most ducked man in all of boxing?

sure. i for one do not believe a word of
that.

[gilgamesh]

Alright then. I just didn't know what it was exactly you were saying you didn't believe, but yeah...you're right not to believe it because it's not true.

[Tony1244]

Wilder had a limited amateur career, so thru 2011, he had the right to fight only the female members of my family, for all intent and purposes he did.

Ortiz and Pedvetkin failed drug tests. There is no controversy there. But Wilder has played it safe like so many other fighters have.

What is humorous though is the hypocrisy. Pedvetkin, Pulev, Haye, Helenius take months, sometimes years off and when they do fight they look like total crap. At least when Wilder fights someone ranked #22 or #32 he usually leaves them laying.

[jamamb]

my thing is that:

1. ppl say his resume is awful yet hes still in there top 5 at minimum. most rightfully have him top 3. yet ppl make out like hes another yakup salam.

2. he signed to fight ped and ortiz. only ped was mandatory. if he fought either of them, his oppoisiton blows almost every other active hws away. but instead they cheated

3. i understand some criticvism. and his opposition did really suck in his early pro years. but ppl are just so ridicoulsy over the top and seething with hate. i actually sense real venom toward him.

guy is a huge puncher, brings kos, in shape, very fun fights, doesnt hold, lively personality. but no, off with his head and support the bowlcut russian dyke looking meldonium addict and the fat, lazy 100 year old cuban drug addict.

[man]

2. he signed to fight ped and ortiz. only ped was mandatory. if he fought either of them, his opposition blows almost every other active hws away.

luis ortiz is 38 and never had a title fight.
almost fighting him doesn't cut it for me.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

my thing is that:

1. ppl say his resume is awful yet hes still in there top 5 at minimum. most rightfully have him top 3. yet ppl make out like hes another yakup salam.

2. he signed to fight ped and ortiz. only ped was mandatory. if he fought either of them, his oppoisiton blows almost every other active hws away. but instead they cheated

3. i understand some criticvism. and his opposition did really suck in his early pro years. but ppl are just so ridicoulsy over the top and seething with hate. i actually sense real venom toward him.

guy is a huge puncher, brings kos, in shape, very fun fights, doesnt hold, lively personality. but no, off with his head and support the bowlcut russian dyke looking meldonium addict and the fat, lazy 100 year old cuban drug addict.

it's a very difficult division to build a strong resume in. Wlad took on all comers for a decade and his resume is very shallow from an historical perspective. You just can't afford to have the few fairly respectable names get popped on you.

[asdfjkl]

“I’m the most frustrated guy around,” said Wilder. “I don’t understand. The best are supposed to fight the best, right? I’ve always done that. I called (Wladimir) Klitschko out years ago.

i find this very, very hard to believe.

What do you find hard to believe exactly?

He offered a 50/50 fight in Alabama for all of Klitschko's belts, you call that a fair deal? Nobody made a 50/50 deal with Klitschko at the time, on top of that, what freaking idiot fights in Alabama of all places?! Wilder knew very well that Klitschko had no option, but fighting Tyson Fury instead, who also couldn't accept Wilder his offers, and as soon aa Hughie accepted a fight against Wilder on 8 weeks notice when he was 20 years old, Wilder chickened out fighting Duhaupas 7,5 weeks later instead.

[gilgamesh]

my thing is that:

1. ppl say his resume is awful yet hes still in there top 5 at minimum. most rightfully have him top 3. yet ppl make out like hes another yakup salam.

2. he signed to fight ped and ortiz. only ped was mandatory. if he fought either of them, his oppoisiton blows almost every other active hws away. but instead they cheated

3. i understand some criticvism. and his opposition did really suck in his early pro years. but ppl are just so ridicoulsy over the top and seething with hate. i actually sense real venom toward him.

guy is a huge puncher, brings kos, in shape, very fun fights, doesnt hold, lively personality. but no, off with his head and support the bowlcut russian dyke looking meldonium addict and the fat, lazy 100 year old cuban drug addict.

You'd have to have him rated highly because nobody else in the division has done any better. The same criticism you can launch at Wilder you can launch at the majority of the Heavyweight division unfortunately. The Top guys just will not fight each other in that division here lately. So much so that Jarrell Miller vs Gerald Washington was seen as a good matchup between fringe contenders for f*cks sake.

My one and only criticism of him is that he's been a "Heavyweight Champion" for 2 and a half years, and hasn't defended against one single Top 10 ranked Heavyweight in all that time.

Bermane Stiverne was there when Wilder won title from him, but 38 fights, 2 and a half years, and 5 title defenses later he's still the only one.

I don't care what you or anyone says. That's a joke, and Boxing fans deserve better.

[man]

My one and only criticism of him is that he's been a "Heavyweight Champion" for 2 and a half years, and hasn't defended against one single Top 10 ranked Heavyweight in all that time.

Bermane Stiverne was there when Wilder won title from him, but 38 fights, 2 and a half years, and 5 title defenses later he's still the only one.

I don't care what you or anyone says. That's a joke, and Boxing fans deserve better.

signed. but on top of these facts to
cry about how everyone is so unfair
with him, who is just trying to fight
the best of the best ... that is what
makes it hard to take him serious.

sven ottke at least never pretended
he was ducked.

[Enlightened-One]

Wow really? Even you and me had a conversation about this subject months ago, but you appearantly forgot.
You can also easely look back in my posts, but no, if I say something, I need to proof it, when others say something, we just assume it to be the truth :S...




http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 4#p4725871
12 august:


http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 7#p4724457
9 august:


http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 1#p4720231
3 august:



http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 3#p4720823
4 august:


http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 4#p4712414
20 july:


http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 4#p4712549
21 july:




A chat with you even:
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 6#p4709783
16 july:


http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 2#p4707882
17 july:



http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 3#p4702033
4 july:




http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 8#p4701988
4 july:

Are you trying to employ diversionary tactics, whereby you post a tonne of quotes and links that bear no relation to the following claim you made?

Everybody knew beforehand Ortiz took those medicins, it's not like I predicted everything months beforehand perfect with just random luck.

All the predictions are correct and all of them are in relation to the claim I made...

I only quoted one of your claims and you responded by posting a load of irrelevant nonsense.

You might as well have responded by posting a pozza menu!

[asdfjkl]

Are you trying to employ diversionary tactics, whereby you post a tonne of quotes and links that bear no relation to the following claim you made?

All the predictions are correct and all of them are in relation to the claim I made...

I only quoted one of your claims and you responded by posting a load of irrelevant nonsense.

You might as well have responded by posting a pozza menu!

I say I predicted everything months beforehand, you ask for evidence, I give you evidence, you say say no, that has nothing to deal with it :s?! You get exactly what you're asking for and now you suddenly act like a German politic? You act like you didn't unnderstand your own question.

[Badhusker]

my thing is that:

1. ppl say his resume is awful yet hes still in there top 5 at minimum. most rightfully have him top 3. yet ppl make out like hes another yakup salam.

2. he signed to fight ped and ortiz. only ped was mandatory. if he fought either of them, his oppoisiton blows almost every other active hws away. but instead they cheated

3. i understand some criticvism. and his opposition did really suck in his early pro years. but ppl are just so ridicoulsy over the top and seething with hate. i actually sense real venom toward him.

guy is a huge puncher, brings kos, in shape, very fun fights, doesnt hold, lively personality. but no, off with his head and support the bowlcut russian dyke looking meldonium addict and the fat, lazy 100 year old cuban drug addict.

You'd have to have him rated highly because nobody else in the division has done any better. The same criticism you can launch at Wilder you can launch at the majority of the Heavyweight division unfortunately. The Top guys just will not fight each other in that division here lately. So much so that Jarrell Miller vs Gerald Washington was seen as a good matchup between fringe contenders for f*cks sake.

My one and only criticism of him is that he's been a "Heavyweight Champion" for 2 and a half years, and hasn't defended against one single Top 10 ranked Heavyweight in all that time.

Bermane Stiverne was there when Wilder won title from him, but 38 fights, 2 and a half years, and 5 title defenses later he's still the only one.

I don't care what you or anyone says. That's a joke, and Boxing fans deserve better.

Do boxing fans deserve better than Joshua vs Takam? Or any of Joshua's recent opponents?

[gilgamesh]

Do boxing fans deserve better than Joshua vs Takam? Or any of Joshua's recent opponents?

Joshua vs Wladimir Klitschko is the 2017 Fight of the Year so far.

Kubrat Pulev and Carlos Takam both are Top 10 ranked opponents that Joshua was going to fight.

You're gonna have to try harder because Wilder damn sure ain't gonna.

[Badhusker]

Do boxing fans deserve better than Joshua vs Takam? Or any of Joshua's recent opponents?

Joshua vs Wladimir Klitschko is the 2017 Fight of the Year so far.

Kubrat Pulev and Carlos Takam both are Top 10 ranked opponents that Joshua was going to fight.

You're gonna have to try harder because Wilder damn sure ain't gonna.

Be honest with yourself, at least. Joshua never would have fought Wlad if he wasn't 41, and looked like total dogshit in his fight with Fury, which was the worst heavyweight fight in history. Wlad fought great, yes, but also exposed Joshua, imo.

[asdfjkl]

Do boxing fans deserve better than Joshua vs Takam? Or any of Joshua's recent opponents?

Joshua vs Wladimir Klitschko is the 2017 Fight of the Year so far.

Kubrat Pulev and Carlos Takam both are Top 10 ranked opponents that Joshua was going to fight.

You're gonna have to try harder because Wilder damn sure ain't gonna.

Be honest with yourself, at least. Joshua never would have fought Wlad if he wasn't 41, and looked like total dogshit in his fight with Fury, which was the worst heavyweight fight in history. Wlad fought great, yes, but also exposed Joshua, imo.

Ah well, better then getting exposed by Molina, or begging/openly advicing Klitschko to retire while being a direct opponent in the same weightclass that hasn't fought anyone of name. Jennings at least fought several top contenders.

[gilgamesh]

Be honest with yourself, at least. Joshua never would have fought Wlad if he wasn't 41, and looked like total dogshit in his fight with Fury, which was the worst heavyweight fight in history. Wlad fought great, yes, but also exposed Joshua, imo.

I can't say for sure that he wouldn't have fought Wlad if he wasn't 41. Wlad's age at the time the fight was right couldn't be helped. Wlad definitely looked like total dogsh*t in his fight with Fury, and it was definitely the Worst Heavyweight Title fight ever.

I don't know that he exposed Joshua, but he showed that Joshua can certainly be hurt, and troubled by a man his own size, which Wilder is.

[Lackeos]

Do boxing fans deserve better than Joshua vs Takam? Or any of Joshua's recent opponents?

Joshua vs Wladimir Klitschko is the 2017 Fight of the Year so far.

Kubrat Pulev and Carlos Takam both are Top 10 ranked opponents that Joshua was going to fight.

You're gonna have to try harder because Wilder damn sure ain't gonna.

Be honest with yourself, at least. Joshua never would have fought Wlad if he wasn't 41, and looked like total dogshit in his fight with Fury, which was the worst heavyweight fight in history. Wlad fought great, yes, but also exposed Joshua, imo.

If you're going to claim that Wlad was a weak opponent, then you can / will / already have shamelessly dismissed the greatest fighter in the division as weak. If you applied that same rigorous, brutal, unfair criticism to Wilder's opponents, then they would be characterized as less than bums. Like, man, just thinking about how sh*tty Eric Molina and Artur Szpilka are compared to all-time great, future hall of famer Wladimir Klitschko, who was ranked ahead of Joshua and Wilder at the time (and Molina, Stiverne, Szpilka, Arreola, Washington, everyone Wilder has ever fought, everyone Wilder ever will fight, and everyone Wilder ever agreed to fight before backing out).

Actually, if you applied this level of unfair criticism to Wilder himself, then the only conclusion you could possibly come to is that Wilder is worse than total dogsh*t. Are you going to say that?

[KiwiRider]

Be honest with yourself, at least. Joshua never would have fought Wlad if he wasn't 41, and looked like total dogshit in his fight with Fury, which was the worst heavyweight fight in history. Wlad fought great, yes, but also exposed Joshua, imo.

I can't say for sure that he wouldn't have fought Wlad if he wasn't 41. Wlad's age at the time the fight was right couldn't be helped. Wlad definitely looked like total dogsh*t in his fight with Fury, and it was definitely the Worst Heavyweight Title fight ever.

I don't know that he exposed Joshua, but he showed that Joshua can certainly be hurt, and troubled by a man his own size, which Wilder is.

AJ fought Wlad in his 19th fight. Even a 41 year old Wlad is a huge ask for a young guy with a short Am career and a very short pro one. Wlad was as good in that fight as he was in his last 5 except the Fury one which was an off night. I couldn't see AJ fighting him any sooner, I was concerned it was too early, but he stepped up any did the job in the best HW fight this century. Of course Wlad exposed AJ,, he would expose every current HW in the form he was in on the night.

[man]

AJ fought Wlad in his 19th fight. Even a 41 year old Wlad is a huge ask for a young guy with a short Am career and a very short pro one. Wlad was as good in that fight as he was in his last 5 except the Fury one which was an off night. I couldn't see AJ fighting him any sooner, I was concerned it was too early, but he stepped up any did the job in the best HW fight this century. Of course Wlad exposed AJ,, he would expose every current HW in the form he was in on the night.

spot on. i find it remarkable that anyone
would compare wilder's and joshua's record
and not see the stunning differences. i have
never heard anyone claiming that AJ should
step it up and the exact opposite is true for
wilder - everyone in boxing has been saying
that.

[Ossyrules]

my thing is that:

1. ppl say his resume is awful yet hes still in there top 5 at minimum. most rightfully have him top 3. yet ppl make out like hes another yakup salam.

2. he signed to fight ped and ortiz. only ped was mandatory. if he fought either of them, his oppoisiton blows almost every other active hws away. but instead they cheated

3. i understand some criticvism. and his opposition did really suck in his early pro years. but ppl are just so ridicoulsy over the top and seething with hate. i actually sense real venom toward him.

guy is a huge puncher, brings kos, in shape, very fun fights, doesnt hold, lively personality. but no, off with his head and support the bowlcut russian dyke looking meldonium addict and the fat, lazy 100 year old cuban drug addict.

You'd have to have him rated highly because nobody else in the division has done any better. The same criticism you can launch at Wilder you can launch at the majority of the Heavyweight division unfortunately. The Top guys just will not fight each other in that division here lately. So much so that Jarrell Miller vs Gerald Washington was seen as a good matchup between fringe contenders for f*cks sake.

My one and only criticism of him is that he's been a "Heavyweight Champion" for 2 and a half years, and hasn't defended against one single Top 10 ranked Heavyweight in all that time.

Bermane Stiverne was there when Wilder won title from him, but 38 fights, 2 and a half years, and 5 title defenses later he's still the only one.

I don't care what you or anyone says. That's a joke, and Boxing fans deserve better.

Do boxing fans deserve better than Joshua vs Takam? Or any of Joshua's recent opponents?

Joshua’s situation

Won vacant belt vs Martin. Martin isn’t good, but it’s the fight that got him the belt. So it’s a good fight giving him championship status

Defended vs breazeale. Good fight game opponent gave him rounds

Defended vs Molina. Poor fight. But not bad market to compare like for like vs wilder how he was dealt with

Unified vs Wlad. Great fight

Due to defend vs pulev. 2 week notice got Takam. Not great, but best of bad situation, show must go on. Still better than anyone Wilders fought

Now bear in mind Joshua had fought roughly as many rounds as wilder had had fights prior to Wlad. Explain how he should be serving up better. Wilder is the long time champion out the 2.

Stop using Joshua to try and justify Wilders failings. Joshua should be behind wilder in career progression but he’s making better progress.

For once just give a pure opinion on wilder

[Ossyrules]

Do boxing fans deserve better than Joshua vs Takam? Or any of Joshua's recent opponents?

Joshua vs Wladimir Klitschko is the 2017 Fight of the Year so far.

Kubrat Pulev and Carlos Takam both are Top 10 ranked opponents that Joshua was going to fight.

You're gonna have to try harder because Wilder damn sure ain't gonna.

Be honest with yourself, at least. Joshua never would have fought Wlad if he wasn't 41, and looked like total dogshit in his fight with Fury, which was the worst heavyweight fight in history. Wlad fought great, yes, but also exposed Joshua, imo.

Be honest with yourself, when else could Joshua have fought Wlad. Certainly not when he was any younger than 41. Poor post

[Enlightened-One]

All the predictions are correct and all of them are in relation to the claim I made...

I only quoted one of your claims and you responded by posting a load of irrelevant nonsense.

You might as well have responded by posting a pozza menu!

I say I predicted everything months beforehand, you ask for evidence, I give you evidence, you say say no, that has nothing to deal with it :s?! You get exactly what you're asking for and now you suddenly act like a German politic? You act like you didn't unnderstand your own question.

I quoted your words where you claimed that you predicted a certain situation "exactly".

I asked you to prove this.

You responded by submitting several lengthy posts that did not directly relate to that specific claim.

I would congratulate you if you did actually make the prediction that you boasted about, but unfortunately I cannot find any evidence to suggest that it was even made.

I don't mean to cause offence, but I only asked you to substantiate one simple claim you made... and so far, you've been unable to do it.

[Badhusker]

AJ probably couldn't have fought Wlad any sooner, correct. He wouldn't have either, if Wlad looked great and won vs Fury. An opportunity to fight him coming off a loss, end of his career, and looking terrible was a smart thing to do. Based on AJ saying he isn't ready for Wilder just yet speaks volumes about where he thinks he is in his career.

I have only defended Wilder's resume for the times he was coming off two broken hands, and the three fights that were called off due to his opponents pissing hot. Other than that, yeah, his resume is weak. One thing he can't be nailed on though is his willingness to fight. Its funny no one can come up with him ducking or turning down any offers from top five guys, which is his harshest criticism. Neither Fury wanted to fight him, AJ, Martin, to name a few according to Wilder.

He paid 6 figures plus to fight Ortiz instead of Stiverne, and got no credit for it. In fact he got the blame for Ortiz failing a test. Are there that many idiots on this forum? AJ could have fought Ortiz or Wilder instead of Pulev, who didn't want AJ last year. No surprise they aren't fighting. I admit using AJ as an example to defend Wilder, but only to point out the hypocrisy I read.