Wilder is worst HW Champion ever?

[Kalan]

He's probably not the worst champion ever, but he does defend it against the worst title fighters ever

You musta FORGOT --- Don Cockell... Roland LaStarza... Tom McNeely... Pete Rademacher... Roy Harris... Brian London... Henry Cooper... Karl Mildenbugger... Alfredo Evangelista... Chuck Wepner... Jean Pierre Coopman... Leon Stinks... Terry Daniels... Dave Zyglewitz... Manuel Ramos... Ron Stander... Richard Dunn etc. etc. etc.. Gerald Washington would take care of any of those boys... Horrible Title Challengers have been a problem forever and ever.

[asdfjkl]

He's probably not the worst champion ever, but he does defend it against the worst title fighters ever

You musta FORGOT --- Don Cockell... Roland LaStarza... Tom McNeely... Pete Rademacher... Roy Harris... Brian London... Henry Cooper... Karl Mildenbugger... Alfredo Evangelista... Chuck Wepner... Jean Pierre Coopman... Leon Stinks... Terry Daniels... Dave Zyglewitz... Manuel Ramos... Ron Stander... Richard Dunn etc. etc. etc.. Gerald Washington would take care of any of those boys... Horrible Title Challengers have been a problem forever and ever.

I don't know all of them, but Don Cockell has fought his last fight well over 60 years ago, Roland LaStarza had a split decision lose against Rocky Marciano, who was 25-0 at the time while he himself was 37-0 at the time? Tom McNeeley, 23-0 and note, that was just one weaker opponent, not 6 or something. Pete Rademacher is an Olympic gold medalist?
Sorry, they probably aren't the real top of the world either, but you can't compare this to Wilder his record. Wilder his record isn't just padded, it's just a clear joke, it really is a joke, if I have to explain this to the avarage yo, I have to say he never fought anybody who's good and he's not seen as the real champ by people that know the boxing world.

[dagilechia]

one of the worst in XXI century with at least one successfull defence, but he isn't the worst even now as Parker is, Wilder fought one of the worst HW title contenders in shot Arreola, almost fought Wawrzyk, only Razvan Cojanu is worse than these (Cojanu worst contender ever)

[Tony1244]

Anyone considering him a champion is the worst ever

I understand that argument because I'm a linear championship guy and Joshua is THE Champion.

But as far as the BS belt holders go there have been literally dozens worse than Deontay.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Anyone considering him a champion is the worst ever

I understand that argument because I'm a linear championship guy and Joshua is THE Champion.

But as far as the BS belt holders go there have been literally dozens worse than Deontay.

What's a linear championship?

[Badhusker]

No

There's been weaker Heavyweight Titlists just within the last 10 years.

I know trolling isn't supposed to be allowed on this forum. Could you explain what trolling is?

[BAD INTENTIONS]

He has held the prestigious green belt for three years. He has to be held to a higher standard.

What the F#CK?!

[jamamb]

guys like robert helenius even gets more credit than wilder

remember when he was god for scoring come from behind win over shot lyakhovich,beating blind brewster, and winning like 2 rounds against chisora?

[Kalan]

Helenius fried all that with his showing against Johann Duhaupas -- He was punched around the ring with winging shots like a defenseless novice... He was worked hard and put away wet.. Whatever RH does he's not going to live that fight down -- he looked like Jess Willard taking loaded shots.

[BitPlayer]

Not even the worst current HW champion.

[candyslim]

He has held the prestigious green belt for three years. He has to be held to a higher standard.

What the F#CK?!

What's your objection - you think having Bermane Stiverne as the best name on your record, three years after you beat him is good enough?

Stiverne whose reputation is built on two wins over the tough but extremely limited Chris Arreola. That's not what I expect from the self-proclaimed most feared fighter of all time and the realest (sic) champion.

[Heretic]

Anyone considering him a champion is the worst ever

I understand that argument because I'm a linear championship guy and Joshua is THE Champion.

But as far as the BS belt holders go there have been literally dozens worse than Deontay.

Wilder shows why those trinkets really mean nothing anymore.

He has never fought anyone top 5 of the division. He has one win over low top 10 boxer in Stiverne. Has he even made one mandatory defense during hes years as a "champion"?

He should be ranked somewhere around 8 at the division if you judge him by hes wins.

[Heretic]

one of the worst in XXI century with at least one successfull defence, but he isn't the worst even now as Parker is, Wilder fought one of the worst HW title contenders in shot Arreola, almost fought Wawrzyk, only Razvan Cojanu is worse than these (Cojanu worst contender ever)

Parker has at least fought against some good boxers. That's way more than what Wilder has done.

[KiwiRider]

one of the worst in XXI century with at least one successfull defence, but he isn't the worst even now as Parker is, Wilder fought one of the worst HW title contenders in shot Arreola, almost fought Wawrzyk, only Razvan Cojanu is worse than these (Cojanu worst contender ever)

Cojanu was a last minute replacement for the Fury shennagins. Fury was a mandatory, not ducked either. They finally fought in what was boxing's version of rohypnol.

[caldo2025]

No I wouldn't say he is the worst of all time, as there has been some truly awful champions in the past. Everyone know's Wilder should've had better opponents in his defenses but having Povetkin and Ortiz failing drugs tests isn't exactly his fault (if they did genuinely fail) If Wilder would've beaten Povetkin and Ortiz you would say he has a better resume than AJ - and AJ is like a god atm in the boxing world...

You can't use "if's" and "buts" in Boxing, man. AJ should get all the credit in the world for fighting Wlad within a year of winning the belt because he actually did it. He didn't just talk about it. Heck, AJ's resume looks so much better than Wilders at this point. Wlad, Whyte, Breazeale and even Martin was an undefeated fighter at the time that was largely unknown and some thought dangerous at that point in AJ's career. Tough fights when you consider they were all inside a 16 month stretch of time. Nah man. Give AJ his due. He's doing it right.

I get where you're coming from. I'm not trying to take anything away from AJ as you're right he is doing things the right way and yeah his record is far more impressive than Wilder's - and tbh I don't know why I'm sticking up for Wilder as I'm not a fan, but I think many people are disregarding the Povetkin and Ortiz's mishaps. I think we will eventually see AJ v Wilder next year though!

I hear you bud. I think that as fans we're just plain mad at everyone in this HW division right now. We should be seeing some great fights and it's been The Land of Misfit Toys in the heavyweight division. I lost count of the fights cancelled in the HW division this year. It would be easier to name the fights that followed through after initially announced.

My biggest problem with Wilder is that Ortiz and Povetkin were not caught taking steroids... just banned substances. These fights could still have moved forward IMO but it seems to most fans that Wilder is just looking for any tine crack in the window to jump out and not risk his belt. There's something dodgy about him...he needs to prove he's not a punk still and he's 3 years into his title reign.

[fightfan95]

You can't use "if's" and "buts" in Boxing, man. AJ should get all the credit in the world for fighting Wlad within a year of winning the belt because he actually did it. He didn't just talk about it. Heck, AJ's resume looks so much better than Wilders at this point. Wlad, Whyte, Breazeale and even Martin was an undefeated fighter at the time that was largely unknown and some thought dangerous at that point in AJ's career. Tough fights when you consider they were all inside a 16 month stretch of time. Nah man. Give AJ his due. He's doing it right.

I get where you're coming from. I'm not trying to take anything away from AJ as you're right he is doing things the right way and yeah his record is far more impressive than Wilder's - and tbh I don't know why I'm sticking up for Wilder as I'm not a fan, but I think many people are disregarding the Povetkin and Ortiz's mishaps. I think we will eventually see AJ v Wilder next year though!

I hear you bud. I think that as fans we're just plain mad at everyone in this HW division right now. We should be seeing some great fights and it's been The Land of Misfit Toys in the heavyweight division. I lost count of the fights cancelled in the HW division this year. It would be easier to name the fights that followed through after initially announced.

My biggest problem with Wilder is that Ortiz and Povetkin were not caught taking steroids... just banned substances. These fights could still have moved forward IMO but it seems to most fans that Wilder is just looking for any tine crack in the window to jump out and not risk his belt. There's something dodgy about him...he needs to prove he's not a punk still and he's 3 years into his title reign.

Yeah definitely. Think many people believe there's something going on with Wilder and the WBC. It's a shame that the Povetkin and Ortiz fights didn't go ahead, and maybe down to the fact they were 'banned substances' the fights could've gone ahead, but what sort of action what that set? Apparently Wilder wanted to still fight Ortiz, how true that is I don't know... Since Fury ended the Klitschko run, so many fights in the HW scene should've been made that haven't - the reason why I would love just having one belt per division. It can be very frustrating being a boxing fan sometimes!

[candyslim]

Imagine if there were one governing body, let's say the longest established i.e. The WBC and one heavyweight champion, let's say the longest established i.e. Deontay Wilder. Would it be any different? Would he have a different mandatory?

Or would be all sitting around bored out of our minds? Long periods of inactivity and bugger all happening with the title-holder isn't unusual when you look back through the history of the heavyweight division through history.

Having the clarity of one champ in each division sounds wonderful and it would help casuals to get a handle on the sport, attract new fans etc but I think it could be a case of "Be careful what you wish for". I quite like it how it is,

[Tony1244]

Anyone considering him a champion is the worst ever

I understand that argument because I'm a linear championship guy and Joshua is THE Champion.

But as far as the BS belt holders go there have been literally dozens worse than Deontay.

What's a linear championship?

James J. Jeffries if that's where you're going with that.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I understand that argument because I'm a linear championship guy and Joshua is THE Champion.

But as far as the BS belt holders go there have been literally dozens worse than Deontay.

What's a linear championship?

James J. Jeffries if that's where you're going with that.

Just wondering why you didn't call it lineal. It's wrongly called linear all the time, surprised me with you so I took a dig. It's a useless tag these days anyway.

[Tony1244]

What's a linear championship?

James J. Jeffries if that's where you're going with that.

Just wondering why you didn't call it lineal. It's wrongly called linear all the time, surprised me with you so I took a dig. It's a useless tag these days anyway.

I looked both words up in my handy dandy online American dictionary. Yes, lineal would have been a better choice.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

James J. Jeffries if that's where you're going with that.

Just wondering why you didn't call it lineal. It's wrongly called linear all the time, surprised me with you so I took a dig. It's a useless tag these days anyway.

I looked both words up in my handy dandy online American dictionary. Yes, lineal would have been a better choice.

That's probably why that's what the title is called.

[Tony1244]

Just wondering why you didn't call it lineal. It's wrongly called linear all the time, surprised me with you so I took a dig. It's a useless tag these days anyway.

I looked both words up in my handy dandy online American dictionary. Yes, lineal would have been a better choice.

That's probably why that's what the title is called.

To tell you the truth, I looked up linear initially because my spelling sucks and the definition looked close enough.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I looked both words up in my handy dandy online American dictionary. Yes, lineal would have been a better choice.

That's probably why that's what the title is called.

To tell you the truth, I looked up linear initially because my spelling sucks and the definition looked close enough.

Lol, that's probably how it got rolling.

[Tony1244]

That's probably why that's what the title is called.

To tell you the truth, I looked up linear initially because my spelling sucks and the definition looked close enough.

Lol, that's probably how it got rolling.

Back to boxing: While we, and others have defended Wilder against those who believe he has Kim Jong like power over boxing like Kim Jong does over N. Korea, would you recognize Wilder and/or Joshua as the champion? I'd go with Joshua, but have Wilder as the #1 contender.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I couldn't care less about that label anymore. I think Joshua is clearly #1. I've thought he was the best heavyweight since long before he even won his first strap. The division is so terrible building a strong resume is virtually impossible. I'll just say that it's also clear to me that Wilder is his biggest threat. Unless you're talking to assmuncher talk about a fat old Chinese man or a 2 fight novice.