Is Anthony Joshua a Legit Heavyweight

[Kalan]

Hmmm... I wonder how it would go if a Heavyweight Champion of Joshua's size and skills fought 2 Featherweights the ability of Santa Cruz at the same time...

Or just one featherweight. The little guy could spend the whole fight running away, exactly like Haye did when he "fought" Valuev...and then corrupt judges could award the fight to the little guy because he got one single punch in.

Yeah right... Corrupt judges in Valuev's back yard who want Valuev to win.. But somehow they erroneously hand the fight to Haye because he boxed the piss out of Valuev and damned near knocked him out with a high intensity barrage in the 12th round -- and didn't have a mark on him at the finish.

[Evander]

Is Anthony Joshua a Legit Heavyweight

Seriously!

Got to stir up a thin division.

[Ilya Muromets]

Hmmm... I wonder how it would go if a Heavyweight Champion of Joshua's size and skills fought 2 Featherweights the ability of Santa Cruz at the same time...

Or just one featherweight. The little guy could spend the whole fight running away, exactly like Haye did when he "fought" Valuev...and then corrupt judges could award the fight to the little guy because he got one single punch in.

Yeah right... Corrupt judges in Valuev's back yard who want Valuev to win.. But somehow they erroneously hand the fight to Haye because he boxed the piss out of Valuev and damned near knocked him out with a high intensity barrage in the 12th round -- and didn't have a mark on him at the finish.

IMO everything you said is incorrect, and that happens to be another fight that I very carefully reviewed on film pausing and re-running and taking notes. Haye ran away the whole night and managed to land one single hard punch. Otherwise he should have lost every round. Boxing is corrupt all over. Doesn't matter where, including Russia - except of course Las Vegas is the undisputed heavyweight champion of corruption.

The boxing mobs knew that Valuev was sick and his boxing career was probably finished. He required three operations after that fight. They figured the flamboyant Haye could put more asses in seats for them, and that is why they had their judges hand him the so called win.

[Kalan]

You're blind as a bat if you don't think Haye landed more an better punches in that fight -- or was marked up in any way.. Haye won easy.. Get a pair of glasses.

[Ilya Muromets]

You're blind as a bat if you don't think Haye landed more an better punches in that fight -- or was marked up in any way.. Haye won easy.. Get a pair of glasses.

Haye's biggest booster, the boxing announcer Jim Watt, doing the tv commentary, thought that Valuev clearly won and so do i. You shouldn't be able to take a belt away from someone by running away all night and getting in one good punch. A fast little featherweight could beat Joshua like that too. The ref should have warned Haye about running away and not engaging and then dq'd him if he continued to do so. Conversely Valuev should have stopped trying to chase him down all night and just stood in the middle of the ring and then nothing would have happened and they could call the whole thing off and V could have kept his belt but then relinquished it for health reasons and a playoff could have given it to the winner and not to undeserving loudmouth Haye, who trotted out his usual excuses for looking like $hit, but no sweat the mafia judges gave it to him anyway.

[Kalan]

You're blind as a bat if you don't think Haye landed more an better punches in that fight -- or was marked up in any way.. Haye won easy.. Get a pair of glasses.

A fast little featherweight could beat Joshua like that too

No he couldn't... Joshua would cut the ring off and smash him within seconds.. And I don't believe that Watt had Valuev winning.. That would be insane

[Controversial]

And I don't believe that Watt had Valuev winning.. That would be insane

Watt says here he didn't agree with the verdict (45 seconds in)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL5SVHqe8uw

[Ilya Muromets]

And I don't believe that Watt had Valuev winning.. That would be insane

Watt says here he didn't agree with the verdict (45 seconds in)
....

Good find, Controversial. But then see how he says it will be great for boxing anyway and see what I said above about how the boxing controllers knew that Valuev was not well and figured the flamboyant Haye would put more asses in the seats. You're not supposed to lose your belt like that. The guy has a great accent by the way.

Kalan: "No he couldn't... Joshua would cut the ring off and smash him within seconds.."

Maybe yes maybe no, and if he did I doubt it would be within seconds. He's a lot faster - and smaller - than Valuev, but I think a fast and slick little guy could keep out of the way of a big guy and maybe slip in a potshot or two. Do away with weight classes and see what happens. I never did trust those fast little fellers. I say any male under 5/4" should be declared a pet and put on a leash. They might bite my knee or something. Yuk yuk only kidding.

Valuev had three operations since that fight, his last, and subsequently he has been doing great. He served a term in the Russian parliament and last I heard had, of all things, a Russian kiddie show! I don't know if it's still on or not but I'd like to see an episode of that show. I just saw a still photo - the gentle giant with little children all around him. Very cute.

[Kalan]

Watt said Haye was quite negative in rounds -- meaning he wasn't attacking hard and was too wary... But he said he believed it was quite possible for Haye to get the verdict... Wasn't Jim Watt a Lightweight Champion??? Is this the same guy??? The problem with lightweights Welterweights and Middleweights is they don't appreciate how hard a man who is 7 feet tall and weighs over 300 pounds can hit -- and don't appreciate how much weight a 220-pounder is giving up..

Look at Monte Barrett vs Valuev. When a guy that huge hits you good your brain shakes loose -- so if you're EVER boxing a really big MFer who's got you by 6 inches and more than 50 pounds...and that only happens at Heavyweight.. you're extremely concerned because the shots that are reaching your chest with good force are making you flinch.. Mike White couldn't box at all, but knocked out Buster Douglas, a damned good boxer.. So even a guy with no speed or skills like Valuev is a big threat.. How many fights is that 7-foot Chinese guy getting??? Valuev got so many fights because he WAS very slow and inept.

[Controversial]

Watt said Haye was quite negative in rounds -- meaning he wasn't attacking hard and was too wary... But he said he believed it was quite possible for Haye to get the verdict....

Watt said he didn’t agree with the decision and Haye was fortunate to get the verdict.

[Ossyrules]

You're blind as a bat if you don't think Haye landed more an better punches in that fight -- or was marked up in any way.. Haye won easy.. Get a pair of glasses.

Haye's biggest booster, the boxing announcer Jim Watt, doing the tv commentary, thought that Valuev clearly won and so do i. You shouldn't be able to take a belt away from someone by running away all night and getting in one good punch. A fast little featherweight could beat Joshua like that too. The ref should have warned Haye about running away and not engaging and then dq'd him if he continued to do so. Conversely Valuev should have stopped trying to chase him down all night and just stood in the middle of the ring and then nothing would have happened and they could call the whole thing off and V could have kept his belt but then relinquished it for health reasons and a playoff could have given it to the winner and not to undeserving loudmouth Haye, who trotted out his usual excuses for looking like $hit, but no sweat the mafia judges gave it to him anyway.

I had haye pretty clear winner, but when you’re on your bike so much I get how you can drop rounds. Happy haye won it’s no robbery.

And no a feather would get smashed by Joshua. Seriously? Pick any feather you want. Frampton, Santa Cruz, he’ll even Loma if you want. Tell me really how they’d beat joshua

[Kalan]

I knew when I was an amateur with only a few fights and boxed with a Light Heavyweight pro with over 40 fights that size matters.. I had 6 inches on him and 11 inches of reach.. The first time we sparred he reached me, but that was it. I shut him down after that just by thinking everything through. It was great practice for me but not for him. He told his trainer he wouldn't box with me anymore because I was too big for him and he'd never fight anyone my size anyway.

[candyslim]

And no a feather would get smashed by Joshua. Seriously? Pick any feather you want. Frampton, Santa Cruz, he’ll even Loma if you want. Tell me really how they’d beat joshua

Oh that's easy. I'd recommend a sawn-off or maybe a 44 magnum.

[Ilya Muromets]

You're blind as a bat if you don't think Haye landed more an better punches in that fight -- or was marked up in any way.. Haye won easy.. Get a pair of glasses.

Haye's biggest booster, the boxing announcer Jim Watt, doing the tv commentary, thought that Valuev clearly won and so do i. You shouldn't be able to take a belt away from someone by running away all night and getting in one good punch. A fast little featherweight could beat Joshua like that too. The ref should have warned Haye about running away and not engaging and then dq'd him if he continued to do so. Conversely Valuev should have stopped trying to chase him down all night and just stood in the middle of the ring and then nothing would have happened and they could call the whole thing off and V could have kept his belt but then relinquished it for health reasons and a playoff could have given it to the winner and not to undeserving loudmouth Haye, who trotted out his usual excuses for looking like $hit, but no sweat the mafia judges gave it to him anyway.

I had haye pretty clear winner, but when you’re on your bike so much I get how you can drop rounds. Happy haye won it’s no robbery.

And no a feather would get smashed by Joshua. Seriously? Pick any feather you want. Frampton, Santa Cruz, he’ll even Loma if you want. Tell me really how they’d beat joshua

How theyd beat him is simply the same was Haye "beat" Valuev, run away all night and buy an amenable ref and a nice set of judges. Easy iin Sin City where almost everything has a price tag.

[Controversial]

Doesn’t Haye hold the record for the least amount of punches thrown by a points winner when he fought Valuev?

Haye only threw 143 punches in 12 rounds, roughly an average of 12 punches per round. Of those 143 he landed 98, roughly 8 punches per round.

[Stuarty]

I don't know, I think if he really put the work in he might could be a Jr. Middleweight.

[Ossyrules]

Doesn’t Haye hold the record for the least amount of punches thrown by a points winner when he fought Valuev?

Haye only threw 143 punches in 12 rounds, roughly an average of 12 punches per round. Of those 143 he landed 98, roughly 8 punches per round.

Fury vs wlad

[Ossyrules]

Haye's biggest booster, the boxing announcer Jim Watt, doing the tv commentary, thought that Valuev clearly won and so do i. You shouldn't be able to take a belt away from someone by running away all night and getting in one good punch. A fast little featherweight could beat Joshua like that too. The ref should have warned Haye about running away and not engaging and then dq'd him if he continued to do so. Conversely Valuev should have stopped trying to chase him down all night and just stood in the middle of the ring and then nothing would have happened and they could call the whole thing off and V could have kept his belt but then relinquished it for health reasons and a playoff could have given it to the winner and not to undeserving loudmouth Haye, who trotted out his usual excuses for looking like $hit, but no sweat the mafia judges gave it to him anyway.

I had haye pretty clear winner, but when you’re on your bike so much I get how you can drop rounds. Happy haye won it’s no robbery.

And no a feather would get smashed by Joshua. Seriously? Pick any feather you want. Frampton, Santa Cruz, he’ll even Loma if you want. Tell me really how they’d beat joshua

How theyd beat him is simply the same was Haye "beat" Valuev, run away all night and buy an amenable ref and a nice set of judges. Easy iin Sin City where almost everything has a price tag.

Are you serious

[Controversial]

Doesn’t Haye hold the record for the least amount of punches thrown by a points winner when he fought Valuev?

Haye only threw 143 punches in 12 rounds, roughly an average of 12 punches per round. Of those 143 he landed 98, roughly 8 punches per round.

Fury vs wlad

Fury threw 371 against Klit, a lot more than Haye threw against Valuev. Fury landed fewer though, 86 compared to Hayes 98

[Ilya Muromets]

I had haye pretty clear winner, but when you’re on your bike so much I get how you can drop rounds. Happy haye won it’s no robbery.

And no a feather would get smashed by Joshua. Seriously? Pick any feather you want. Frampton, Santa Cruz, he’ll even Loma if you want. Tell me really how they’d beat joshua

How theyd beat him is simply the same was Haye "beat" Valuev, run away all night and buy an amenable ref and a nice set of judges. Easy iin Sin City where almost everything has a price tag.

Are you serious

No, I was only kidding. Las Vegas is an honest city and always has been.

I found a full vid of the Valuev - Haye fight. Most on YT seem to be cut to just show Haye's highlights, namely the final round, the only round he did good in. It has no sound, though, which is a good thing because you won't be influenced by the pro-Haye commentators, tho boxing doesn't sound right without the crowd noises. Watch it again objectively as you can and take notes on each round and then tell me whether I am right or I am right. Thank you. Then we can watch Haye's two comeback fights and you can tell me if they were as fake as wrestling or not. This should be on a new thread though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz0MJDvZqmY

[Ossyrules]

How theyd beat him is simply the same was Haye "beat" Valuev, run away all night and buy an amenable ref and a nice set of judges. Easy iin Sin City where almost everything has a price tag.

Are you serious

No, I was only kidding. Las Vegas is an honest city and always has been.

I found a full vid of the Valuev - Haye fight. Most on YT seem to be cut to just show Haye's highlights, namely the final round, the only round he did good in. It has no sound, though, which is a good thing because you won't be influenced by the pro-Haye commentators, tho boxing doesn't sound right without the crowd noises. Watch it again objectively as you can and take notes on each round and then tell me whether I am right or I am right. Thank you. Then we can watch Haye's two comeback fights and you can tell me if they were as fake as wrestling or not. This should be on a new thread though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz0MJDvZqmY

1. I’m checking out the debate a featherweight would beat Joshua. That’s insane

2. I’m happy haye won. I’ll rewatch, but I don’t really remember him landing any punches of note

3. Hayes opponents since his comeback have been awful, but what’s that got todo with anything

4. Vegas is corrupt no arguement

Keep fighting the fight, someone out there nah agree with you one day

[Ilya Muromets]

Are you serious

No, I was only kidding. Las Vegas is an honest city and always has been.

I found a full vid of the Valuev - Haye fight. Most on YT seem to be cut to just show Haye's highlights, namely the final round, the only round he did good in. It has no sound, though, which is a good thing because you won't be influenced by the pro-Haye commentators, tho boxing doesn't sound right without the crowd noises. Watch it again objectively as you can and take notes on each round and then tell me whether I am right or I am right. Thank you. Then we can watch Haye's two comeback fights and you can tell me if they were as fake as wrestling or not. This should be on a new thread though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz0MJDvZqmY

1. I’m checking out the debate a featherweight would beat Joshua. That’s insane

2. I’m happy haye won. I’ll rewatch, but I don’t really remember him landing any punches of note

3. Hayes opponents since his comeback have been awful, but what’s that got todo with anything

4. Vegas is corrupt no arguement

Keep fighting the fight, someone out there nah agree with you one day

Sure a miracle might happen and someone might agree with me...but hey you agree with me on point 4 and 3! It’s a miracle! Hallelujah!

A featherweight couldnt beat him if he engaged, but if a fast little squirt just runs away all night - like Haye did - then what are you going to do, knock yourself out chasing him, and of course Valuev is a giant and not a fast moving man. Like i said, if Haye - or anybody - refuses to engage and just scoots away id just stand in the middle of the ring and wait for him to stop doing that, and if he wouldnt engage then the ref could call it no contest and i - i mean Valuev - could have kept his belt. Lots of times i see boxers knocking themselves out trying to chase down a slick back peddling oponent. Hell with that. If he wants to run away just stand in the middle of the ring and wait for him to come to you. Joshua, of course, is a fast moving heavyweight. A little featherweight would have a tough night running away, because if he caught him of course it would be a featherweight flying over the ring ropes. Could a little guy do it? I dont know. Do away with weight classes and lets see.

Did u watch the fight again? I didnt. I watched it a few times already, but several years ago. I might watch it again if you press the point.

[Ossyrules]

No, I was only kidding. Las Vegas is an honest city and always has been.

I found a full vid of the Valuev - Haye fight. Most on YT seem to be cut to just show Haye's highlights, namely the final round, the only round he did good in. It has no sound, though, which is a good thing because you won't be influenced by the pro-Haye commentators, tho boxing doesn't sound right without the crowd noises. Watch it again objectively as you can and take notes on each round and then tell me whether I am right or I am right. Thank you. Then we can watch Haye's two comeback fights and you can tell me if they were as fake as wrestling or not. This should be on a new thread though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz0MJDvZqmY

1. I’m checking out the debate a featherweight would beat Joshua. That’s insane

2. I’m happy haye won. I’ll rewatch, but I don’t really remember him landing any punches of note

3. Hayes opponents since his comeback have been awful, but what’s that got todo with anything

4. Vegas is corrupt no arguement

Keep fighting the fight, someone out there nah agree with you one day

Sure a miracle might happen and someone might agree with me...but hey you agree with me on point 4 and 3! It’s a miracle! Hallelujah!

A featherweight couldnt beat him if he engaged, but if a fast little squirt just runs away all night - like Haye did - then what are you going to do, knock yourself out chasing him, and of course Valuev is a giant and not a fast moving man. Like i said, if Haye - or anybody - refuses to engage and just scoots away id just stand in the middle of the ring and wait for him to stop doing that, and if he wouldnt engage then the ref could call it no contest and i - i mean Valuev - could have kept his belt. Lots of times i see boxers knocking themselves out trying to chase down a slick back peddling oponent. Hell with that. If he wants to run away just stand in the middle of the ring and wait for him to come to you. Joshua, of course, is a fast moving heavyweight. A little featherweight would have a tough night running away, because if he caught him of course it would be a featherweight flying over the ring ropes. Could a little guy do it? I dont know. Do away with weight classes and lets see.

Did u watch the fight again? I didnt. I watched it a few times already, but several years ago. I might watch it again if you press the point.

Not yet but I will rewatch

Please bump this thread when you find another thinking a feathweight beats joshua