Mike Tyson v Andrew Golota

[keithmoonhangover]

Did you face disciplinary action when you were in the marines and refused to go to 'nam?

Of course not dummy... They didn't like me me being a c/o and talking about the war effort the way I did... I'm sure all those guys see things differently now.

I'm confused. Did you go to 'nam?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Of course he did, here is kalan saving his good friend Bobby.

[Kalan]

Did you face disciplinary action when you were in the marines and refused to go to 'nam?

Of course not dummy... They didn't like me me being a c/o and talking about the war effort the way I did... I'm sure all those guys see things differently now.

I'm confused. Did you go to 'nam?

No. The way I felt about it? Of course not. I had many buddies who went. Many disagreed with me. Some thought that heroes of the movement like Muhammad Ali, should be thrown in prison and the key thrown away. Some of them got killed. Some got wounded. Some suffered from from Malaria or dope addiction. But 20 years later they almost all agreed that the war was done for the defense industry and war profiteers.

[keithmoonhangover]

Of course not dummy... They didn't like me me being a c/o and talking about the war effort the way I did... I'm sure all those guys see things differently now.

I'm confused. Did you go to 'nam?

No. The way I felt about it? Of course not. I had many buddies who went. Many disagreed with me. Some got killed. Some got wounded. But 20 years later they almost all agreed that the war was done for the defense industry and war profiteers.

You were in the marines, you refused to go to 'nam and weren't punished? Also, does c/o stand for commanding officer?

[Kalan]

Maybe from their viewpoint. Not from mine. It stands for Conscientious Objector and Cammanding Officer.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Kalan was clearly a more skilled fighter than Ali. Obviously he knows how to handle refusing orders from the military better as well. What a legend.

[keithmoonhangover]

Maybe from their viewpoint. Not from mine. It stands for Conscientious Objector and Cammanding Officer.

How did you avoid a court marshal? Generals have been court marshaled.

[Kalan]

I would refuse orders to kill innocent people from anybody... Bombing and burning Viet Nam an it's people was an evil act. You have constitutional rights... One of them is the right to follow your conscience if you can explain your objections. The same reason Ali won his case in rejecting the draft. I had to do a military hearing, but it wasn't a Court Marshal.

[keithmoonhangover]

I would refuse orders to kill innocent people from anybody... Bombing and burning Viet Nam an it's people was an evil act. You have constitutional rights... One of them is the right to follow your conscience if you can explain your objections. The same reason Ali won his case in rejecting the draft.

Ali wasn't in the marines when he got the orders. If you refuse orders in the armed forces, you get punished. What was your punishment when you refused orders while you were in the marines?

[Kalan]

Ali rejected the draft outright... As a US citizen he couldn't do that without a lawful reason... which, it turns out, he did have plenty of them, as reasoned by a UNANIMOUS US SUPREME COURT DECISION.

[keithmoonhangover]

Ali rejected the draft outright... As a US citizen he couldn't do that without a lawful reason... which, it turns out, he did have plenty of them, as reasoned by a UNANIMOUS US SUPREME COURT DECISION.

Ali wasn't in the marines when he got the orders. If you refuse orders in the armed forces, you get punished. What was your punishment when you refused orders while you were in the marines?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

He was mandated to a lifetime of lying about his life on the internet.

[Kalan]

What was Ali's punishment when he rejected the draft??? ... He didn't run to Canada or fly to Europe like many objectors... Many were arrested and jailed... Ali fought his case and got nothing... I fought mine and knew I was right from the beginning

[Kalan]

You have a constitutional right not to carry out orders that greatly offend your conscience... Are you a constitutional scholar??? Or your friend???

Ali's lawyers were.

[keithmoonhangover]

What was Ali's punishment when he rejected the draft??? ... He didn't run to Canada or fly to Europe like many objectors... Many were arrested and jailed... Ali fought his case and got nothing... I fought mine and knew I was right from the beginning

What was your punishment when you refused orders while you were in the marines?

[Kalan]

Nothing. I have the constitutional right of conscience. It's no sin to follow the dictate of your own moral standards if they're sincere and well reasoned.

If I were a shirker or a goldbricker I would be punished.