Covfefe wrote:I didn’t say that, but it’s true isn’t it?
Lots of people, myself included, are not satisfied with the ending. Joshua could have stopped him or taken a wide decision and we wouldn’t be talking like this, that’s bad for Joshua isn’t it?
Covfefe wrote:I didn’t say that, but it’s true isn’t it?
Lots of people, myself included, are not satisfied with the ending. Joshua could have stopped him or taken a wide decision and we wouldn’t be talking like this, that’s bad for Joshua isn’t it?
Joshua gets to keep his 100% stoppage record.
It's not bad for Joshua.
No, but he has a large non-boxing fan base who won’t like an ending like that. For want of a better term, endings like that aren’t for brand Joshua.
but having the perfect ko record is very brand joshua though. think him being taken distance hurts more than him winning by questionable stoppage. on to the next fight and it's still 20-0 with all 20 by ko! maybe he wouldve gotten a legit stoppage but for me that was very much in doubt. didnt really think takam was that hurt tbh and he was evading the follow up well.
jamamb wrote:but having the perfect ko record is very brand joshua though. think him being taken distance hurts more than him winning by questionable stoppage. on to the next fight and it's still 20-0 with all 20 by ko! maybe he wouldve gotten a legit stoppage but for me that was very much in doubt. didnt really think takam was that hurt tbh and he was evading the follow up well.
Proper British stoppage and it's getting to be a bit embarrassing now, thought the ref was poor all night really, just looking at Takam constantly and seemed to want the cuts stoppage early on too, no chance Wilder will come to the UK with that kind of officiating. Why the hell world title fights are still not handled by neutral officials is beyond me but the sport has always been a law unto itself and open to corruption. Boxing was born with a black eye as someone once said.
Great learning fight for Joshua though and he's getting the rounds in now, he has vulnerabilities for sure and looks like Bruno at times but it's another defence won and more experience gained going forward. He's the housewives favourite and casuals lap it up, promoters dream of fighters like AJ, my missus and daughter-in-law watched tonight and they never watch boxing ever.
Jackson328 wrote:Proper British stoppage and it's getting to be a bit embarrassing now, thought the ref was poor all night really, just looking at Takam constantly and seemed to want the cuts stoppage early on too, no chance Wilder will come to the UK with that kind of officiating. Why the hell world title fights are still not handled by neutral officials is beyond me but the sport has always been a law unto itself and open to corruption. Boxing was born with a black eye as someone once said.
Great learning fight for Joshua though and he's getting the rounds in now, he has vulnerabilities for sure and looks like Bruno at times but it's another defence won and more experience gained going forward. He's the housewives favourite and casuals lap it up, promoters dream of fighters like AJ, my missus and daughter-in-law watched tonight and they never watch boxing ever.
Takam stopped fighting and walked to the ref complaining about the cut. Fighters don’t do that. The ref was always going to look closely at it after that reaction.
Jackson328 wrote:Proper British stoppage and it's getting to be a bit embarrassing now, thought the ref was poor all night really, just looking at Takam constantly and seemed to want the cuts stoppage early on too, no chance Wilder will come to the UK with that kind of officiating. Why the hell world title fights are still not handled by neutral officials is beyond me but the sport has always been a law unto itself and open to corruption. Boxing was born with a black eye as someone once said.
Great learning fight for Joshua though and he's getting the rounds in now, he has vulnerabilities for sure and looks like Bruno at times but it's another defence won and more experience gained going forward. He's the housewives favourite and casuals lap it up, promoters dream of fighters like AJ, my missus and daughter-in-law watched tonight and they never watch boxing ever.
Takam stopped fighting and walked to the ref complaining about the cut. Fighters don’t do that. The ref was always going to look closely at it after that reaction.
Takam was playing the game there and he also butted AJ deliberately in my opinion, any advantage he could get was fair game at that point, a DQ win, point deduction, it ain't tiddlywinks. Premature stoppage only adds to the conspiracy
Jackson328 wrote:Proper British stoppage and it's getting to be a bit embarrassing now, thought the ref was poor all night really, just looking at Takam constantly and seemed to want the cuts stoppage early on too, no chance Wilder will come to the UK with that kind of officiating. Why the hell world title fights are still not handled by neutral officials is beyond me but the sport has always been a law unto itself and open to corruption. Boxing was born with a black eye as someone once said.
Great learning fight for Joshua though and he's getting the rounds in now, he has vulnerabilities for sure and looks like Bruno at times but it's another defence won and more experience gained going forward. He's the housewives favourite and casuals lap it up, promoters dream of fighters like AJ, my missus and daughter-in-law watched tonight and they never watch boxing ever.
Takam stopped fighting and walked to the ref complaining about the cut. Fighters don’t do that. The ref was always going to look closely at it after that reaction.
Takam was playing the game there and he also butted AJ deliberately in my opinion, any advantage he could get was fair game at that point, a DQ win, point deduction, it ain't tiddlywinks. Premature stoppage only adds to the conspiracy
Perhaps. It was a definite deliberate headbut.
I just got the impression he wanted out initially. Didn’t think it would go two more to be honest.
Jackson328 wrote:Proper British stoppage and it's getting to be a bit embarrassing now, thought the ref was poor all night really, just looking at Takam constantly and seemed to want the cuts stoppage early on too, no chance Wilder will come to the UK with that kind of officiating. Why the hell world title fights are still not handled by neutral officials is beyond me but the sport has always been a law unto itself and open to corruption. Boxing was born with a black eye as someone once said.
Great learning fight for Joshua though and he's getting the rounds in now, he has vulnerabilities for sure and looks like Bruno at times but it's another defence won and more experience gained going forward. He's the housewives favourite and casuals lap it up, promoters dream of fighters like AJ, my missus and daughter-in-law watched tonight and they never watch boxing ever.
Jackson328 wrote:Proper British stoppage and it's getting to be a bit embarrassing now, thought the ref was poor all night really, just looking at Takam constantly and seemed to want the cuts stoppage early on too, no chance Wilder will come to the UK with that kind of officiating. Why the hell world title fights are still not handled by neutral officials is beyond me but the sport has always been a law unto itself and open to corruption. Boxing was born with a black eye as someone once said.
Great learning fight for Joshua though and he's getting the rounds in now, he has vulnerabilities for sure and looks like Bruno at times but it's another defence won and more experience gained going forward. He's the housewives favourite and casuals lap it up, promoters dream of fighters like AJ, my missus and daughter-in-law watched tonight and they never watch boxing ever.
Jackson328 wrote:Proper British stoppage and it's getting to be a bit embarrassing now, thought the ref was poor all night really, just looking at Takam constantly and seemed to want the cuts stoppage early on too, no chance Wilder will come to the UK with that kind of officiating. Why the hell world title fights are still not handled by neutral officials is beyond me but the sport has always been a law unto itself and open to corruption. Boxing was born with a black eye as someone once said.
Great learning fight for Joshua though and he's getting the rounds in now, he has vulnerabilities for sure and looks like Bruno at times but it's another defence won and more experience gained going forward. He's the housewives favourite and casuals lap it up, promoters dream of fighters like AJ, my missus and daughter-in-law watched tonight and they never watch boxing ever.
Been saying it for years, Joshua is garbage. Freakish athlete with good power and average-at-best skill & questionable stamina/heart/chin/toughness in a very weak division. Not sure i'd make AJ favourite vs Haye or Povetkin. Almost certainly had him underdog if Wlad had excersized the rematch.
jamamb wrote:but having the perfect ko record is very brand joshua though. think him being taken distance hurts more than him winning by questionable stoppage. on to the next fight and it's still 20-0 with all 20 by ko! maybe he wouldve gotten a legit stoppage but for me that was very much in doubt. didnt really think takam was that hurt tbh and he was evading the follow up well.
Takam was fine, Joshuas laboured & tired punches weren't too bothersome and he was perfectly lucid. He would have done the 12 easy.
Ricky_ wrote:Been saying it for years, Joshua is garbage. Freakish athlete with good power and average-at-best skill & questionable stamina/heart/chin/toughness in a very weak division. Not sure i'd make AJ favourite vs Haye or Povetkin. Almost certainly had him underdog if Wlad had excersized the rematch.
haye looked awful even before the injury and never really seemed to hurt bellew. wlad already got dropped 3x and stopped
Ricky_ wrote:Been saying it for years, Joshua is garbage. Freakish athlete with good power and average-at-best skill & questionable stamina/heart/chin/toughness in a very weak division. Not sure i'd make AJ favourite vs Haye or Povetkin. Almost certainly had him underdog if Wlad had excersized the rematch.
I don’t agree. Joshua has issues but he’s barely lost a round. Everyone is allowed a tough fight
wlad is the only guy to clearly win more than a round against him. joshua still hasnt been pro that long and as a 27 year old hw can get even better. the hype creates standards where even the slightest issues get magnified
and why is his heart questionable
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Ricky_ wrote:Been saying it for years, Joshua is garbage. Freakish athlete with good power and average-at-best skill & questionable stamina/heart/chin/toughness in a very weak division. Not sure i'd make AJ favourite vs Haye or Povetkin. Almost certainly had him underdog if Wlad had excersized the rematch.
haye looked awful even before the injury and never really seemed to hurt bellew. wlad already got dropped 3x and stopped
Wlad had been out the ring for over a year, his timing was a little off. AJ was a sitting duck in r5 & 6, had wlad connected with any of the big left hooks he threw when looking for the finish it would have been over.
Haye may well be completely shot tbh, i guess we'll see in the rematch - but AJ is primed for walking into one of his overhand rights.
Ricky_ wrote:Been saying it for years, Joshua is garbage. Freakish athlete with good power and average-at-best skill & questionable stamina/heart/chin/toughness in a very weak division. Not sure i'd make AJ favourite vs Haye or Povetkin. Almost certainly had him underdog if Wlad had excersized the rematch.
haye looked awful even before the injury and never really seemed to hurt bellew. wlad already got dropped 3x and stopped
Wlad had been out the ring for over a year, his timing was a little off. AJ was a sitting duck in r5 & 6, had wlad connected with any of the big left hooks he threw when looking for the finish it would have been over.
Haye may well be completely shot tbh, i guess we'll see in the rematch - but AJ is primed for walking into one of his overhand rights.
Joshua is very effective offensively and occasionally on defense. He definitely eats too many right hands. If Wilder is a sizeable underdog I'll bet on him.
Ricky_ wrote:Been saying it for years, Joshua is garbage. Freakish athlete with good power and average-at-best skill & questionable stamina/heart/chin/toughness in a very weak division. Not sure i'd make AJ favourite vs Haye or Povetkin. Almost certainly had him underdog if Wlad had excersized the rematch.
