Hearn Shakes Head at Joshua Guarantee For Wilder Facing Whyte

[Ruthless-RKO]

A few days ago, WBC heavyweight champion Deontay Wilder (38-0, 37 KOs) made it loud and clear that he was willing to fight Dillian Whyte - if promoter Eddie Hearn can guarantee, in a binding contract, that IBF, IBO, WBA world champion Anthony Joshua would be the very next opponent.

Joshua returned on Saturday night, when he retained his belts with a tenth round stoppage over late replacement Carlos Takam at Principality in Cardiff.

Whyte saw action on the undercard, winning a twelve round unanimous decision over Robert Helenius.

Hearn has been pushing for a February showdown between Wilder and Whyte at the O2 Arena in London. Hearn has made an offer to Wilder of $3 million plus the American TV revenue.

Wilder would be open to doing the fight - if Hearn guarantees Joshua is next.

"If they want to see that fight, I have no problems fighting that fight, as long as that contract says I have Anthony Joshua next. I will go anywhere in the world to show Dillian Whyte who is the best in the world. Put Anthony Joshua on that contract and I will come to England.

Dillian Whyte is an easy fight, I can fight that fight in my sleep, one hand behind my back," Wilder told Sky Sports.

"I am the heavyweight champion of the world, I want to unify the heavyweight division and I won't stop until I do that. If Eddie Hearn wants me to fight Dillian Whyte, I have no problem smashing Dillian Whyte but make sure, when you have that contract, you add Anthony Joshua, because I am going to come and knock down that kingdom that I helped build up."

But Hearn is not looking to go in that direction.

He feels strongly that by Wilder coming over to the UK to face Whyte - it will only make the Joshua fight bigger. And he says a victory would give Wilder a revenue boost in the Joshua bout.

However, Hearn is not going to make a contractual clause for Wilder that guarantees him a fight with Joshua.

"No, it doesn’t work that way," said Hearn to Metro when asked if Wilder would get a guarantee to fight Joshua.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I don't understand Hearn, they claim they want a fight.. and that a fight with Whyte will be a 'revenue booster'.. so why not add some type of clause?

They want the fight next year, it sure ain't going to be next.. so they're looking at Summer? If Wilder beats Whyte in Feb, then Summer is the perfect time..

If/when Wilder teams Whyte, when exactly does Eddie 'Fraudster' Hearn plan on having AJ/Wilder?

[Ossyrules]

In the boxing business and contracts, how common practice is it that you have a future opponent named in a contract?

Once wilder gets Stiverne out the way maybe things will become clearer. It’ll be interesting to see who they look to pair with Joshua next

[greg]

..the usual tug of war..with Joshua being the side A, Hearn is trying to keep Wilder on a short leash..

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I don't understand Hearn, they claim they want a fight.. and that a fight with Whyte will be a 'revenue booster'.. so why not add some type of clause?

They want the fight next year, it sure ain't going to be next.. so they're looking at Summer? If Wilder beats Whyte in Feb, then Summer is the perfect time..

If/when Wilder teams Whyte, when exactly does Eddie 'Fraudster' Hearn plan on having AJ/Wilder?

In a perfect world Eddie wants Whyte to beat Wilder and make for a massive domestic rematch. A nice secondary prize would be options on Wilder in case he catches lightning in a bottle when facing Joshua. That's where the over the top 'offer' and Wilder's ridiculous 'demand' came from. Hearn is a hustler, he works unlike any promoter left in the states. I like him.

The underlying theme to think about is if Whyte gets that mandatory spot that he's close too, Dibella and Deontay can just go to a purse bid and make Eddie over bid to pay Wilder more money than the offer. No options, just Whyte getting his ass kicked and making more public demand for a fight I don't think Hearn wants now. As a promoter he shouldn't, Wilder might bring marginally more money to the table from the states and could generate a few more buys with promoting their knock out records, but when you factor in his higher purse he might cost a few bucks over a regular defense.

[Badhusker]

Classic bitch move by Hearn. He promised Wilder that he would be next after Wlad, and reneged on that. Wilder wants it in writing that if he takes the $3 million offered to fight Whyte, and wins, he gets Joshua next. Spin it however you want, but Wilder won't fight Whyte without the guarantee, and I don't blame him.

[asdfjkl]

Classic bitch move by Hearn. He promised Wilder that he would be next after Wlad, and reneged on that. Wilder wants it in writing that if he takes the $3 million offered to fight Whyte, and wins, he gets Joshua next. Spin it however you want, but Wilder won't fight Whyte without the guarantee, and I don't blame him.

Do you have any evidence of this? If you don't I just assume you make this up, oke?

[asdfjkl]

I'm quite confident this interview never actually happened. But I gladly see footage of it, and no, Wilder should win the match to earn a shot.

[Ossyrules]

Classic bitch move by Hearn. He promised Wilder that he would be next after Wlad, and reneged on that. Wilder wants it in writing that if he takes the $3 million offered to fight Whyte, and wins, he gets Joshua next. Spin it however you want, but Wilder won't fight Whyte without the guarantee, and I don't blame him.

classic bitch move wilder rejecting 3mil wanting 7 now he’ll do 3 again

You really are a window

[candyslim]

I don't think Hearn can promise Wilder that he'll be next up for Joshua because we don't know what Wilder's demands are going to be. If he's talking he wants $7m to fight Whyte, what do you suppose he's going to ask for fighting Joshua?

Hearn could guarantee Wilder first refusal on whatever Hearn offers him, or that he'll be next up subject to terms getting agreed, but I don't suppose that is what Deontay is looking for or would satisfy him.

Having said that, to my knowledge Hearn has made no kind of offer in relation to fighting Joshua if he gets past Whyte, other than to say "beat Whyte and the Joshua fight becomes huge". I can't argue with that statement but I do think it wouldn't hurt him to make Wilder an offer like I outlined above even if that is unlikely to make Wilder jump for joy.

Either way what choice does Wilder have? Who will he fight next while Joshua takes care of his WBA mandatory? Breazeale, Miller, or maybe he'll take time off thru Spring while his hands are recovering from battering Stiverne's skull. That's probably most likely.

[Enlightened-One]

Deontay Wilder initially refused the $4m package that Eddie Hearn offered for him to face Whyte. And the only reason that he gave at the time for his refusal was that he expected to receive a minimum of $7m in order to even consider the notion, despite his career-best purse to-date only being $1.5m.

The Matchroom boss said that he’d revise his offer, but he couldn’t match the figures that Wilder was telling the media.

‘The Bronze Bomber’ was rightfully derided for rejecting the opportunity to face Whyte, so now he has switched stance. He now says that he’ll only fight Dillian if he’s guaranteed to face Anthony Joshua next.

The main problem is this… Eddie Hearn said that he doesn’t want to negotiate the financial terms of two fights at the same time, because Wilder will still require more than the original offer to face Whyte, coupled with the inevitably lengthy negotiations to discuss the Joshua bout also.

AJ wants to unify the heavyweight division and he probably can’t commit himself to engaging in a bout against Wilder if the WBA & IBF won’t sanction it.

Also, what happens if a bout between Wilder & Whyte proves to be a real stinker, where the UK audience refrain from watching it? What then happens to the financial viability of a Joshua-Wilder title unification bout, if the UK audience aren’t interested in it?

What if ‘The Bronze Bomber’ loses against Whyte? Is the “guarantee” to face Joshua still applicable?

These are things that people have to consider...

In my eyes, Wilder is trying to avoid portraying himself to the media about pricing himself out of a fight against a mediocre heavyweight like Whyte, by camouflaging this fact with his unrealistic demands to receive a guarantee to face AJ.

How many times have we seen a world champion agree to only perform a defence against the highest ranked challenger of his own organisation, as long as they’re guaranteed to face another world champion, whilst also negotiating the financial terms for both bouts at the same time?

It’s never fúckíng happened… EVER! Stop defending or applauding Deontay Wilder’s extremely dodgy tactics!

What is the ‘The Bronze Bomber’ going to say? I couldn’t take the fight against Whyte, because Hearn wouldn’t pay me enough to face Joshua? FFS!

[Ruthless-RKO]

Either way what choice does Wilder have? Who will he fight next while Joshua takes care of his WBA mandatory? Breazeale, Miller, or maybe he'll take time off thru Spring while his hands are recovering from battering Stiverne's skull. That's probably most likely.

I hope Wilder goes back to fighting 3x a year

[Ruthless-RKO]

Also, what happens if a bout between Wilder & Whyte proves to be a real stinker, where the UK audience refrain from watching it? What then happens to the financial viability of a Joshua-Wilder title unification bout, if the UK audience aren’t interested in it?

What if ‘The Bronze Bomber’ loses against Whyte? Is the “guarantee” to face Joshua still applicable?

These are things that people have to consider...

Whyte looked poor against Helenius.. I mentioned on another thread, did he do that on purpose knowing he will get a comfortable win and entice Wilder to fight him?

Knowing Whyte, when he's got someone that matters and takes a fight to him, he'll swing.. It's hard to think it will be a stinker, but as you said, we just don't know.

[Tomasino]

A few days ago, WBC heavyweight champion Deontay Wilder (38-0, 37 KOs) made it loud and clear that he was willing to fight Dillian Whyte - if promoter Eddie Hearn can guarantee, in a binding contract, that IBF, IBO, WBA world champion Anthony Joshua would be the very next opponent.

Joshua returned on Saturday night, when he retained his belts with a tenth round stoppage over late replacement Carlos Takam at Principality in Cardiff.

Whyte saw action on the undercard, winning a twelve round unanimous decision over Robert Helenius.

Hearn has been pushing for a February showdown between Wilder and Whyte at the O2 Arena in London. Hearn has made an offer to Wilder of $3 million plus the American TV revenue.

Wilder would be open to doing the fight - if Hearn guarantees Joshua is next.

"If they want to see that fight, I have no problems fighting that fight, as long as that contract says I have Anthony Joshua next. I will go anywhere in the world to show Dillian Whyte who is the best in the world. Put Anthony Joshua on that contract and I will come to England.

Dillian Whyte is an easy fight, I can fight that fight in my sleep, one hand behind my back," Wilder told Sky Sports.

"I am the heavyweight champion of the world, I want to unify the heavyweight division and I won't stop until I do that. If Eddie Hearn wants me to fight Dillian Whyte, I have no problem smashing Dillian Whyte but make sure, when you have that contract, you add Anthony Joshua, because I am going to come and knock down that kingdom that I helped build up."

But Hearn is not looking to go in that direction.

He feels strongly that by Wilder coming over to the UK to face Whyte - it will only make the Joshua fight bigger. And he says a victory would give Wilder a revenue boost in the Joshua bout.

However, Hearn is not going to make a contractual clause for Wilder that guarantees him a fight with Joshua.

"No, it doesn’t work that way," said Hearn to Metro when asked if Wilder would get a guarantee to fight Joshua.

What way did he say it worked? Eddie is such a knob goblin.

[keirw]

Hearn is a business man, he is willing to take a bit of a loss to make Wilder vs Whyte, as the winner would the participate in a huge stadium fight next summer.
But that doesn't mean he is going to allow Wilder (or any fighter, for that matter) dictate the purse.

Wilder's team aren't stupid. They know that unless Fury makes a miraculous come back, they are the top choice for AJ at Wembley in the summer.
Why not try and squeeze as much money out of Hearn as possible?

[Enlightened-One]

Hearn is a business man, he is willing to take a bit of a loss to make Wilder vs Whyte, as the winner would the participate in a huge stadium fight next summer.
But that doesn't mean he is going to allow Wilder (or any fighter, for that matter) dictate the purse.

Wilder's team aren't stupid. They know that unless Fury makes a miraculous come back, they are the top choice for AJ at Wembley in the summer.
Why not try and squeeze as much money out of Hearn as possible?

Deontay Wilder may be well known the hard-core boxing aficionados, but ‘The Bronze Bomber’ does not have a sizable fan-base in the US and he is pretty much an anonymous name to the Brits, who’ll ultimately end-up paying for the staging of this bout.

AJ could engage in a rematch against Dillian Whyte and command similar sums than he would for facing Wilder.

A fight between Joshua and the winner of the Bellew-Haye rematch would also generate far more revenue than an AJ-Wilder bout.

It’s very easy to argue that David Haye is the biggest draw in heavyweight boxing for any fighter not-named Anthony Joshua.

Joseph Parker competed on British soil during his most recent outing, so he’s gained more exposure recently to the UK market than Wilder has. So if AJ engaged in a title unification bout against the Kiwi, it’ll likely generate similar revenue figures than a Joshua-Wilder fight (at least in the same ball-park).

Let’s not forget that Deontay Wilder has demanded almost five times more than his career-best purse in order to agree to face the highest ranked challenger to his WBC title, which is Dillian Whyte. This is another way of him saying that he doesn't want the fight, because being paid $4m isn't enough for him apparently, despite his career-high purse to-date only being $1.5m.

I don’t think that AJ needs Wilder at the moment, because within the next eighteen months or so, he can participate in bouts against the likes of Fury, Haye, Parker, Bellew, Whyte, Miller, Pulev etc., whilst the American continues to waste his time sharing the ring with mediocre quality opposition.

[Badhusker]

Hearn recently said he is willing to sweeten the deal from the $3 million offer to $4 million total, but still refuses to put Joshua's name in the contract to fight Wilder next. (boxingnews24) Wilder said he will take the fight if he is guaranteed Joshua next. Now Hearn says he wants Fury for Joshua in 2018? Its obvious he is willing to spend some $$$, hoping Whyte will KO Wilder, and he will go away.

Hearn says "If you beat Dillian Whyte, you’re value in the Joshua fight, your earnings for the Joshua fight will probably go up 10 to 15 percent. That could be $7 to $10 million dollars improved purse in that fight."

Is it fuzzy math or is Hearn simply not that smart? 15% of 4 million adds $600K last time I checked.

[man]

i don't really get it, to be honest. i might
be mistaken, but wilder - joshua would be
a real milky fight. that is big pay per view
material and in my view would dwarf all
other financial considerations.

my guess is everybody wants to delay a bit
and thus pump it up even more, maybe by
some shouted insults early next year. it is a
little dangerous, because one of them could
lose to someone that is by far no such draw
himself.

end 2018 would be my guess for high noon
at heavy and it indeed could be a real great
fight breaking some records at the heavies.

[man]

A fight between Joshua and the winner of the Bellew-Haye rematch would also generate far more revenue than an AJ-Wilder bout.

It’s very easy to argue that David Haye is the biggest draw in heavyweight boxing for any fighter not-named Anthony Joshua.

really? i would have thought wilder-AJ
is already massive.

[Enlightened-One]

Hearn recently said he is willing to sweeten the deal from the $3 million offer to $4 million total, but still refuses to put Joshua's name in the contract to fight Wilder next. (boxingnews24) Wilder said he will take the fight if he is guaranteed Joshua next. Now Hearn says he wants Fury for Joshua in 2018? Its obvious he is willing to spend some $$$, hoping Whyte will KO Wilder, and he will go away.

Hearn says "If you beat Dillian Whyte, you’re value in the Joshua fight, your earnings for the Joshua fight will probably go up 10 to 15 percent. That could be $7 to $10 million dollars improved purse in that fight."

Is it fuzzy math or is Hearn simply not that smart? 15% of 4 million adds $600K last time I checked.

Deontay Wilder asked for a minimum of $7m to face Dillian Whyte. 'The Bronze Bomber' didn't articulate his payday demands for the Joshua fight.

It's not "fuzzy math" though, because Hearn is suggesting that the American's payday against Joshua could be as much as $70m if he fought Whyte beforehand... and $7m is 10% of that figure, with 15% being $10.5m.

Eddie Hearn wants Wilder to gain exposure to the UK market before taking a huge financial risk to stage a bout between Deontay and AJ.

[Enlightened-One]

A fight between Joshua and the winner of the Bellew-Haye rematch would also generate far more revenue than an AJ-Wilder bout.

It’s very easy to argue that David Haye is the biggest draw in heavyweight boxing for any fighter not-named Anthony Joshua.

really? i would have thought wilder-AJ
is already massive.

David Haye is a much bigger draw than Deontay Wilder. I don't think that anyone can articulate a rational argument to suggest otherwise.

[Ossyrules]

Hearn recently said he is willing to sweeten the deal from the $3 million offer to $4 million total, but still refuses to put Joshua's name in the contract to fight Wilder next. (boxingnews24) Wilder said he will take the fight if he is guaranteed Joshua next. Now Hearn says he wants Fury for Joshua in 2018? Its obvious he is willing to spend some $$$, hoping Whyte will KO Wilder, and he will go away.

Hearn says "If you beat Dillian Whyte, you’re value in the Joshua fight, your earnings for the Joshua fight will probably go up 10 to 15 percent. That could be $7 to $10 million dollars improved purse in that fight."

Is it fuzzy math or is Hearn simply not that smart? 15% of 4 million adds $600K last time I checked.

I’d say you need to wake up and smell the coffee. But all you can smell is Wilders ring piece

[Badhusker]

Hearn recently said he is willing to sweeten the deal from the $3 million offer to $4 million total, but still refuses to put Joshua's name in the contract to fight Wilder next. (boxingnews24) Wilder said he will take the fight if he is guaranteed Joshua next. Now Hearn says he wants Fury for Joshua in 2018? Its obvious he is willing to spend some $$$, hoping Whyte will KO Wilder, and he will go away.

Hearn says "If you beat Dillian Whyte, you’re value in the Joshua fight, your earnings for the Joshua fight will probably go up 10 to 15 percent. That could be $7 to $10 million dollars improved purse in that fight."

Is it fuzzy math or is Hearn simply not that smart? 15% of 4 million adds $600K last time I checked.

I’d say you need to wake up and smell the coffee. But all you can smell is Wilders ring piece

It is obvious you hate Wilder and love Joshua and Hearn. Being butthurt because someone put facts in front of you isn't a good look though. Prove me wrong, debate like an adult, or don't reply to my posts dipshit.

[Ossyrules]

Hearn recently said he is willing to sweeten the deal from the $3 million offer to $4 million total, but still refuses to put Joshua's name in the contract to fight Wilder next. (boxingnews24) Wilder said he will take the fight if he is guaranteed Joshua next. Now Hearn says he wants Fury for Joshua in 2018? Its obvious he is willing to spend some $$$, hoping Whyte will KO Wilder, and he will go away.

Hearn says "If you beat Dillian Whyte, you’re value in the Joshua fight, your earnings for the Joshua fight will probably go up 10 to 15 percent. That could be $7 to $10 million dollars improved purse in that fight."

Is it fuzzy math or is Hearn simply not that smart? 15% of 4 million adds $600K last time I checked.

I’d say you need to wake up and smell the coffee. But all you can smell is Wilders ring piece

It is obvious you hate Wilder and love Joshua and Hearn. Being butthurt because someone put facts in front of you isn't a good look though. Prove me wrong, debate like an adult, or don't reply to my posts dipshit.

Don’t hate wilder, don’t love Joshua. If you continue with unbalanced crap that’s overly pro wilder and unrealistically anti Joshua, expect to keep getting called out in it

Ideally I’d prefer you to not be so biased and call it properly how it is

[montrealsuper]

Why even bother with Whyte? Why doesn't Wilder just say I want Joshua next?

Wilder negotiating and trying to set one and two fights ahead of his next fight on Saturday night vs Stiverne kind of proves that Stiverne is going to throw the fight again doesn't it?If Wilder's team was really smart they would shut up about Whyte and Joshua until AFTER they take care of business vs Stiverne. But of course we all know Stiverne is the hired patsy who has agree to tank or dive again, a reward payday for tanking the first fight.