gilgamesh wrote:The WBO Title hadn't really gained much significance yet when Wlad and Vitali first held that belt.
Naseem Hamed and Joe Calzaghe are who brought the WBO into prominence. I pretty much remember the exact moment that the WBO Belt began to be seen as equally as prestigious as the WBC, WBA and IBF.
It was in 2002 when Barrera vs Morales won the rematch over Erik Morales to gain recognition as the True Featherweight Champion at that time. After this achievement he held up his WBO Championship belt, and RIGHT after that the Boxing Magazines started holding the WBO Title in higher regard.
The WBO heavy title always seemed to lag behind the other divisions in terms of acceptance, the first time I was aware of their existence was watching Nigel Benn v Doug De Witt on ITV which was billed as a legitimate world title fight, of course then came along Chris Eubank and he really helped them to become mainstream, Mercer v Morrison was the first WBO heavyweight title fight I saw, the WBO was in full swing by this point but it was stressed by Harry Carpenter that the match didn't hold any water as a world title fight
Yep. The WBO existed longer than it had credibility.
The IBF didn't have instant credibility either. As I recall the thing that made IBF legitimate was Larry Holmes was the reigning and defending WBC Champion, and was stripped of his title for one reason or another (not fighting a mandatory I think), and then the IBF just swooped in and started calling him Heavyweight Champion, and since he WAS the legitimate Heavyweight Champion of the world it gave the IBF instant credibility.
IBO is trying to get into this mix as well, but I'm glad they haven't been allowed to. We need less titles not more.
I thought Vitali Klitschko was pretty good. His win column isn't loaded with elite names, but I also think that it's an oversimplification to call some of those fighters " bums." Back in 2008 there were a lot of people who picked Sam Peter to stop Klit in his first fight back. When Vitali hammered him to submission then all of a sudden Peter was labeled a bum. Corrie Sanders had just humiliated Wladimir and after Vitali beat him, again his opponent was deemed lackluster.
gilgamesh wrote:The WBO Title hadn't really gained much significance yet when Wlad and Vitali first held that belt.
Naseem Hamed and Joe Calzaghe are who brought the WBO into prominence. I pretty much remember the exact moment that the WBO Belt began to be seen as equally as prestigious as the WBC, WBA and IBF.
It was in 2002 when Barrera vs Morales won the rematch over Erik Morales to gain recognition as the True Featherweight Champion at that time. After this achievement he held up his WBO Championship belt, and RIGHT after that the Boxing Magazines started holding the WBO Title in higher regard.
The WBO heavy title always seemed to lag behind the other divisions in terms of acceptance, the first time I was aware of their existence was watching Nigel Benn v Doug De Witt on ITV which was billed as a legitimate world title fight, of course then came along Chris Eubank and he really helped them to become mainstream, Mercer v Morrison was the first WBO heavyweight title fight I saw, the WBO was in full swing by this point but it was stressed by Harry Carpenter that the match didn't hold any water as a world title fight
Yep. The WBO existed longer than it had credibility.
The IBF didn't have instant credibility either. As I recall the thing that made IBF legitimate was Larry Holmes was the reigning and defending WBC Champion, and was stripped of his title for one reason or another (not fighting a mandatory I think), and then the IBF just swooped in and started calling him Heavyweight Champion, and since he WAS the legitimate Heavyweight Champion of the world it gave the IBF instant credibility.
IBO is trying to get into this mix as well, but I'm glad they haven't been allowed to. We need less titles not more.
The WBO title came into existence around 1988 or 89 and in the beginning it was mostly Kronk fighters who held it. Michael Moorer, Tommy Hearns and Oba Car were some of the earlier claimants of the WBO. There were some exceptions such as heavyweight Francesco Damiani but yes the organization was viewed as a paper title until maybe 10-12 years later
littlepug wrote:
The WBO heavy title always seemed to lag behind the other divisions in terms of acceptance, the first time I was aware of their existence was watching Nigel Benn v Doug De Witt on ITV which was billed as a legitimate world title fight, of course then came along Chris Eubank and he really helped them to become mainstream, Mercer v Morrison was the first WBO heavyweight title fight I saw, the WBO was in full swing by this point but it was stressed by Harry Carpenter that the match didn't hold any water as a world title fight
Yep. The WBO existed longer than it had credibility.
The IBF didn't have instant credibility either. As I recall the thing that made IBF legitimate was Larry Holmes was the reigning and defending WBC Champion, and was stripped of his title for one reason or another (not fighting a mandatory I think), and then the IBF just swooped in and started calling him Heavyweight Champion, and since he WAS the legitimate Heavyweight Champion of the world it gave the IBF instant credibility.
IBO is trying to get into this mix as well, but I'm glad they haven't been allowed to. We need less titles not more.
The WBO title came into existence around 1988 or 89 and in the beginning it was mostly Kronk fighters who held it. Michael Moorer, Tommy Hearns and Oba Car were some of the earlier claimants of the WBO. There were some exceptions such as heavyweight Francesco Damiani but yes the organization was viewed as a paper title until maybe 10-12 years later
ah yes forgot about the Kronk fighters, Moorer had a light heavy reign and I'm pretty sure the Hearns v Leonard rematch was a unification of the WBO and WBC supermiddle titles
littlepug wrote:
ah yes forgot about the Kronk fighters, Moorer had a light heavy reign and I'm pretty sure the Hearns v Leonard rematch was a unification of the WBO and WBC supermiddle titles
Moorer had a Heavyweight reign with it too. Moorer vs Bert Cooper was for the WBO Heavyweight Title.
Really fun fight too by the way if you've never seen it. A slugfest!
littlepug wrote:
ah yes forgot about the Kronk fighters, Moorer had a light heavy reign and I'm pretty sure the Hearns v Leonard rematch was a unification of the WBO and WBC supermiddle titles
Moorer had a Heavyweight reign with it too. Moorer vs Bert Cooper was for the WBO Heavyweight Title.
Really fun fight too by the way if you've never seen it. A slugfest!
Yes a bloody cracking fight was that ! It was the first signs of chinks in Moorers game that night.
IronFrost wrote:Similiar to Wilder. Total joke :) He faced bum after bum and ducked every single bigger fight.
Why do people keep overrate Vitali? Wladamir was better!
Who has actualy Vitali fought? Fat washed up Lewis?
I wont even mention he looked like a crap in his recent fights.
Vitali < Wladimir
Prime Lennox vs 38 years old Vitali - Lewis via murder
Vitali won his fist 27 fights by KO... The longest KO streak that includes 3 Heavyweight Championship Fights... Vitali was beating Lewis on ALL SCORECARDS at the finish of their fight -- and if the fight when to the scorecards he would have WON by UNANIMOUS TECHNICAL DECISION 6..
Vitali is a 3 X Heavyweight Champion... He's the ONLY Heavyweight Champion who has never been knocked down and was never behind on points after ANY of his fights... His only 2 losses came by injury.. By a badly cut left eyelid and by a completely severed Rotator Cuff Assembly when he was ahead on points by all 6 judges.. He's the only man to ever KO Larry Donald, Vaughan Bean, Kirk Johnson, and others.. He owns the 2nd highest KO ratio of any retired Heavyweight Champion.. Despite being heavily ducked, he defeated 6 undefeated Heavyweight Contenders and 6 World Champions, including 4 Heavyweight Champions.
Vitali was getting his ass whooped in last round. You talk like he was looking great in that round. All he did was eating brutal uppercuts and hugging whole round. He was DONE
He wasn't anywhere near done... He took the 2nd half of the round off to tire Lewis.. Lewis was exhausted and couldn't hurt VK at all... Lewis looked finished in the 2nd round, when he was hurt plenty.. If the fight went to the scorecards it was Vitali by UNANIMOUS TECHNICAL DECISION 6..
Lewis had 2 fights where 2nd raters blew him away early... Vitali Klitschko was never even knocked down and had a much sturdier chin.
Kalan wrote:
He wasn't anywhere near done... He took the 2nd half of the round off to tire Lewis.. Lewis was exhausted and couldn't hurt VK at all... Lewis looked finished in the 2nd round, when he was hurt plenty.. If the fight went to the scorecards it was Vitali by UNANIMOUS TECHNICAL DECISION 6..
Lewis had 2 fights where 2nd raters blew him away early... Vitali Klitschko was never even knocked down and had a much sturdier chin.
Lennox Lewis had won the 6th round. So it's possible he would've legitimately stopped Vitali at some point had the fight continued.
At any rate, he cut Vitali open severely with punches so there's an obvious reason why it didn't go to a Technical Decision. Vitali being ahead on the cards at the time of the stoppage definitely boosted his career, but if he would've actually deserved the win that night he would've been able to stop Lennox from slicing him to ribbons.
Kalan wrote:
He wasn't anywhere near done... He took the 2nd half of the round off to tire Lewis.. Lewis was exhausted and couldn't hurt VK at all... Lewis looked finished in the 2nd round, when he was hurt plenty.. If the fight went to the scorecards it was Vitali by UNANIMOUS TECHNICAL DECISION 6..
Lewis had 2 fights where 2nd raters blew him away early... Vitali Klitschko was never even knocked down and had a much sturdier chin.
Lennox Lewis had won the 6th round. So it's possible he would've legitimately stopped Vitali at some point had the fight continued.
At any rate, he cut Vitali open severely with punches so there's an obvious reason why it didn't go to a Technical Decision. Vitali being ahead on the cards at the time of the stoppage definitely boosted his career, but if he would've actually deserved the win that night he would've been able to stop Lennox from slicing him to ribbons.
You’re right, but trying to get this guy to see this is
stupid to bang your head and get into drawn out arguments with nonsense like that. prime vitali was obviously getting beaten up by old fat lennox. any suggestion that he was the true winner or going to win isnt worth the time. the evidence couldnt have been much more convincing. vitali had his face torn off, had just gotten staggered, and was clearly exhausted.
the look of a sure winner! must hurt for vitali fans that at a fresh 32 old fat lennox still destroyed him. but hey, vitali later proved his atg status by coming back from nearly being dropped to beat the amazing semi-pro golfer corrie sanders.
Kalan wrote:
He wasn't anywhere near done... He took the 2nd half of the round off to tire Lewis.. Lewis was exhausted and couldn't hurt VK at all... Lewis looked finished in the 2nd round, when he was hurt plenty.. If the fight went to the scorecards it was Vitali by UNANIMOUS TECHNICAL DECISION 6..
Lewis had 2 fights where 2nd raters blew him away early... Vitali Klitschko was never even knocked down and had a much sturdier chin.
Lennox Lewis had won the 6th round. So it's possible he would've legitimately stopped Vitali at some point had the fight continued.
At any rate, he cut Vitali open severely with punches so there's an obvious reason why it didn't go to a Technical Decision. Vitali being ahead on the cards at the time of the stoppage definitely boosted his career, but if he would've actually deserved the win that night he would've been able to stop Lennox from slicing him to ribbons.
You’re right, but trying to get this guy to see this is
You must have a bullet proof head if you can knock it that hard... No wonder logic doesn't penetrate.
It SHOULD have gone to a technical decision like the British broadcasters SAID it would...
The first 2 right hands Lewis threw in the 3rd round (after almost getting knocked out in the first 2 rounds) were 1. a thumb strike and 2. a holding-and-hitting palm rake that rippled over Vitali's face and ripped open 2 cuts on his left eyelid and one on his left cheek... Lewis was targeting the eyelid CLEARLY A FOUL because he was also holding and hitting (a double foul)... THAT did all the damage to Vitali's face and his facer was pouring blood.. Llegal punches had NOTHING to do with it.. In addition Lewis kept palming Vitali in the face to worsen the cuts and was warned by the referee for palming.
You go to the scorecards because 4 rounds had passed like the British broadcasters said.. Vitali Klitschko W UNANIMOUS TECHNICAL DECISION 6
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gilgamesh wrote:Lennox Lewis had won the 6th round. So it's possible he would've legitimately stopped Vitali at some point had the fight continued
Ahhh... An admission that Lewis didn't "legitimately" stop him... True, because it should have gone to the scorecards.
It wasn't a foul, and his eye was a mess, not helped by his corner who opened the cut up. I'd have liked to have seen it continue, but there was no way that it could have been ruled anything but a legitimate tko. It wasn't a butt, an elbow or any other kind of illegal blow, so stop being ridiculous.
Kalan wrote:
Vitali won his fist 27 fights by KO... The longest KO streak that includes 3 Heavyweight Championship Fights... Vitali was beating Lewis on ALL SCORECARDS at the finish of their fight -- and if the fight when to the scorecards he would have WON by UNANIMOUS TECHNICAL DECISION 6..
Vitali is a 3 X Heavyweight Champion... He's the ONLY Heavyweight Champion who has never been knocked down and was never behind on points after ANY of his fights... His only 2 losses came by injury.. By a badly cut left eyelid and by a completely severed Rotator Cuff Assembly when he was ahead on points by all 6 judges.. He's the only man to ever KO Larry Donald, Vaughan Bean, Kirk Johnson, and others.. He owns the 2nd highest KO ratio of any retired Heavyweight Champion.. Despite being heavily ducked, he defeated 6 undefeated Heavyweight Contenders and 6 World Champions, including 4 Heavyweight Champions.
Vitali was getting his ass whooped in last round. You talk like he was looking great in that round. All he did was eating brutal uppercuts and hugging whole round. He was DONE
He wasn't anywhere near done... He took the 2nd half of the round off to tire Lewis.. Lewis was exhausted and couldn't hurt VK at all... Lewis looked finished in the 2nd round, when he was hurt plenty.. If the fight went to the scorecards it was Vitali by UNANIMOUS TECHNICAL DECISION 6..
Lewis had 2 fights where 2nd raters blew him away early... Vitali Klitschko was never even knocked down and had a much sturdier chin.
Lewis took everything vital had to offer and was coming on strong. I rate vital more than his resume, he had s cast iron chin and underrated skills, but he was getting busted up by Lewis towards the end.
