Wilder vs Stiverne is a FARCE

[boxing_rocks]

Wilder vs Stiverne is a FARCE

Damn sure it was.

[Badhusker]

It's worse than that...he was the mandatory BEFORE Ortiz's failed test. He accepted step aside money for Ortiz.

I wish Joshua had the boys to tell Hearn he wants to fight Wilder. Wilder paid $600 K out of his own pocket to fight Ortiz. Joshua would never even mention Ortiz's name. In fact he objected to him being a mandatory for him though WBA so he could fight Pulev.

Make the best guys fight each other.

Joshua was tied to the IBF mandatory should Wlad not have the rematch. This had to be fulfilled

It had no more significance than Joshua fighting Ortiz, as the WBA mandatory was established first. They let him go through with it anyway because if he didn't fight Pulev they would have stripped him. Its not like one mandatory trumps another automatically. Its obvious now they knew Pulev would pull out, because he refused to fight AJ before. Belts matter when it is convenient I guess.

[Ossyrules]

I wish Joshua had the boys to tell Hearn he wants to fight Wilder. Wilder paid $600 K out of his own pocket to fight Ortiz. Joshua would never even mention Ortiz's name. In fact he objected to him being a mandatory for him though WBA so he could fight Pulev.

Make the best guys fight each other.

Joshua was tied to the IBF mandatory should Wlad not have the rematch. This had to be fulfilled

It had no more significance than Joshua fighting Ortiz, as the WBA mandatory was established first. They let him go through with it anyway because if he didn't fight Pulev they would have stripped him. Its not like one mandatory trumps another automatically. Its obvious now they knew Pulev would pull out, because he refused to fight AJ before. Belts matter when it is convenient I guess.

Happy to be educated by you, but how was the WBA mandatory established first? He didn’t even hold that belt prior to Wlad...

The belts matter if he wants to unify the division. If you truly do t think a belt matters get your boy wilder to dump his belt in the trash like Bowe, then come get a shot at joshua

[drunkenpiper36]

Farce or not.. Wasn't Wilder's fault that the TWO previous challengers failed drug tests. Stiverne obviously had no business fighting for a title or even boxing period for that matter. But when you need a replacement on short notice sometimes you grab what's available.

[tiny_acres]

Joshua was tied to the IBF mandatory should Wlad not have the rematch. This had to be fulfilled

It had no more significance than Joshua fighting Ortiz, as the WBA mandatory was established first. They let him go through with it anyway because if he didn't fight Pulev they would have stripped him. Its not like one mandatory trumps another automatically. Its obvious now they knew Pulev would pull out, because he refused to fight AJ before. Belts matter when it is convenient I guess.

Happy to be educated by you, but how was the WBA mandatory established first? He didn’t even hold that belt prior to Wlad...

The belts matter if he wants to unify the division. If you truly do t think a belt matters get your boy wilder to dump his belt in the trash like Bowe, then come get a shot at joshua

And when he throws the belt in the trash he loses potential bargaining material in the Joshua fight.
The belt is only a chip in the negotiations.

[asdfjkl]

It had no more significance than Joshua fighting Ortiz, as the WBA mandatory was established first. They let him go through with it anyway because if he didn't fight Pulev they would have stripped him. Its not like one mandatory trumps another automatically. Its obvious now they knew Pulev would pull out, because he refused to fight AJ before. Belts matter when it is convenient I guess.

Happy to be educated by you, but how was the WBA mandatory established first? He didn’t even hold that belt prior to Wlad...

The belts matter if he wants to unify the division. If you truly do t think a belt matters get your boy wilder to dump his belt in the trash like Bowe, then come get a shot at joshua

And when he throws the belt in the trash he loses potential bargaining material in the Joshua fight.
The belt is only a chip in the negotiations.

What's the belt worth if everybody knows it belongs to Povetkin?

[tiny_acres]

Happy to be educated by you, but how was the WBA mandatory established first? He didn’t even hold that belt prior to Wlad...

The belts matter if he wants to unify the division. If you truly do t think a belt matters get your boy wilder to dump his belt in the trash like Bowe, then come get a shot at joshua

And when he throws the belt in the trash he loses potential bargaining material in the Joshua fight.
The belt is only a chip in the negotiations.

What's the belt worth if everybody knows it belongs to Povetkin?

Let the grown ups talk.

[asdfjkl]

And when he throws the belt in the trash he loses potential bargaining material in the Joshua fight.
The belt is only a chip in the negotiations.

What's the belt worth if everybody knows it belongs to Povetkin?

Let the grown ups talk.

I just spoke

[tiny_acres]

What's the belt worth if everybody knows it belongs to Povetkin?

Let the grown ups talk.

I just spoke

Dude you are spouting the same crap and know one cares about Povetkin.
He's done

[tiny_acres]

What's the belt worth if everybody knows it belongs to Povetkin?

Let the grown ups talk.

I just spoke

And for your information Povetkin is no longer rated by the WBC. Why because he is suspended for drugs

[asdfjkl]

Let the grown ups talk.

I just spoke

And for your information Povetkin is no longer rated by the WBC. Why because he is suspended for drugs

The WBC don't rate him any more indeed, because they protect Wilder, he's not suspended for drugs. Povetkin never did anything that wasn't allowed. Grow up kid, face it, Povetkin was too much for them and appearantly still is.

[tiny_acres]

I just spoke

And for your information Povetkin is no longer rated by the WBC. Why because he is suspended for drugs

The WBC don't rate him any more indeed, because they protect Wilder, he's not suspended for drugs. Povetkin never did anything that wasn't allowed. Grow up kid, face it, Povetkin was too much for them and appearantly still is.

Suspended for failed drug tests. Period the freaking end

[asdfjkl]

And for your information Povetkin is no longer rated by the WBC. Why because he is suspended for drugs

The WBC don't rate him any more indeed, because they protect Wilder, he's not suspended for drugs. Povetkin never did anything that wasn't allowed. Grow up kid, face it, Povetkin was too much for them and appearantly still is.

Suspended for failed drug tests. Period the freaking end

That's not what their rankings say

[punchoutsb]

The WBC don't rate him any more indeed, because they protect Wilder, he's not suspended for drugs. Povetkin never did anything that wasn't allowed. Grow up kid, face it, Povetkin was too much for them and appearantly still is.

Suspended for failed drug tests. Period the freaking end

That's not what their rankings say

Povetkin is not ranked by the WBC.

[asdfjkl]

Suspended for failed drug tests. Period the freaking end

That's not what their rankings say

Povetkin is not ranked by the WBC.

Exactly, while people that aren't on the list while they should be have a * next to their name and have the reason with it why they aren't ranked, unless they simply aren't good enough according to the WBC.

[punchoutsb]

That's not what their rankings say

Povetkin is not ranked by the WBC.

Exactly, while people that aren't on the list while they should be have a * next to their name and have the reason with it why they aren't ranked, unless they simply aren't good enough according to the WBC.

He was suspended indefinitely in March.

As of August:

"Povetkin cannot be returned to the ratings so far," WBC President Mauricio Suleiman said, "We continue to consider his appeal, we are in touch with his lawyer. Accordingly, the suspension remains. "

per: https://ringside24.com/en/20833-world-b ... etkin-case

So yes, he is still suspended.

[asdfjkl]

Povetkin is not ranked by the WBC.

Exactly, while people that aren't on the list while they should be have a * next to their name and have the reason with it why they aren't ranked, unless they simply aren't good enough according to the WBC.

He was suspended indefinitely in March.

As of August:

"Povetkin cannot be returned to the ratings so far," WBC President Mauricio Suleiman said, "We continue to consider his appeal, we are in touch with his lawyer. Accordingly, the suspension remains. "

per: https://ringside24.com/en/20833-world-b ... etkin-case

So yes, he is still suspended.

If they still stick with that till the day of today, then that proves all over again how corrupt Wilder his connections are. Real champs shouldn't want any of this business, I hope AJ or Parker dare to face Povetkin.

[punchoutsb]

Exactly, while people that aren't on the list while they should be have a * next to their name and have the reason with it why they aren't ranked, unless they simply aren't good enough according to the WBC.

He was suspended indefinitely in March.

As of August:

"Povetkin cannot be returned to the ratings so far," WBC President Mauricio Suleiman said, "We continue to consider his appeal, we are in touch with his lawyer. Accordingly, the suspension remains. "

per: https://ringside24.com/en/20833-world-b ... etkin-case

So yes, he is still suspended.

If they still stick with that till the day of today, then that proves all over again how corrupt Wilder his connections are. Real champs shouldn't want any of this business, I hope AJ or Parker dare to face Povetkin.

They're are still sticking with it.

You may be in luck though because Povetkin is rated 12 by the IBF and 6 by the WBO. Hammer is the current number one contender in the WBO and their upcoming match is a defense of Povetkins International strap. With a win he'll likely become Parkers mandatory and jump into the top ten of the IBF making him an attractive financial option for AJ.

[Ossyrules]

It had no more significance than Joshua fighting Ortiz, as the WBA mandatory was established first. They let him go through with it anyway because if he didn't fight Pulev they would have stripped him. Its not like one mandatory trumps another automatically. Its obvious now they knew Pulev would pull out, because he refused to fight AJ before. Belts matter when it is convenient I guess.

Happy to be educated by you, but how was the WBA mandatory established first? He didn’t even hold that belt prior to Wlad...

The belts matter if he wants to unify the division. If you truly do t think a belt matters get your boy wilder to dump his belt in the trash like Bowe, then come get a shot at joshua

And when he throws the belt in the trash he loses potential bargaining material in the Joshua fight.
The belt is only a chip in the negotiations.

I don’t believe he should ditch the belt, that would be crazy. I’m just calling out a poster who seems to be massively anti Joshua and living on the fact that Joshua should ditch his belts to be free to make big fights. Of course when I reversed that statement onto his beloved wilder he types no reply. As it would be mental to ditch there belts

[Badhusker]

Happy to be educated by you, but how was the WBA mandatory established first? He didn’t even hold that belt prior to Wlad...

The belts matter if he wants to unify the division. If you truly do t think a belt matters get your boy wilder to dump his belt in the trash like Bowe, then come get a shot at joshua

And when he throws the belt in the trash he loses potential bargaining material in the Joshua fight.
The belt is only a chip in the negotiations.

I don’t believe he should ditch the belt, that would be crazy. I’m just calling out a poster who seems to be massively anti Joshua and living on the fact that Joshua should ditch his belts to be free to make big fights. Of course when I reversed that statement onto his beloved wilder he types no reply. As it would be mental to ditch there belts

Joshua said he didn't care about the belts at one time, Wilder never said that. I pointed out that it is important to Joshua about hanging onto the belts when it is convenient to do so, which is the truth. You have to be an idiot to think Wilder would ditch his one and only belt for any reason. It makes no sense.

[Ossyrules]

And when he throws the belt in the trash he loses potential bargaining material in the Joshua fight.
The belt is only a chip in the negotiations.

I don’t believe he should ditch the belt, that would be crazy. I’m just calling out a poster who seems to be massively anti Joshua and living on the fact that Joshua should ditch his belts to be free to make big fights. Of course when I reversed that statement onto his beloved wilder he types no reply. As it would be mental to ditch there belts

Joshua said he didn't care about the belts at one time, Wilder never said that. I pointed out that it is important to Joshua about hanging onto the belts when it is convenient to do so, which is the truth. You have to be an idiot to think Wilder would ditch his one and only belt for any reason. It makes no sense.

He’s also said since he was naive earlier in his career of just having fights lined up, and now he has belts he’s feeling the bodies authority and responsibilities he has to adhere to.

[Badhusker]

I guess it doesn't matter what Wilder wants, or the fans. Hearn doesn't want them to fight, so they might as well line up someone else.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2017/11/fin ... hua-fight/

[Ossyrules]

I guess it doesn't matter what Wilder wants, or the fans. Hearn doesn't want them to fight, so they might as well line up someone else.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2017/11/fin ... hua-fight/

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