Tyson Fury legal fight 'could bankrupt' UK Anti-Doping

[Enlightened-One]

"Tyson Fury legal fight 'could bankrupt' UK Anti-Doping"


UK Anti-Doping (Ukad) fears it could be made insolvent or require a government bailout over a dispute with Tyson Fury.

Former world heavyweight champion Fury tested positive for a banned steroid in June 2016, and says the adverse result came from eating uncastrated wild boar.

But a legal battle with Ukad over the evidence has meant Fury, 29, has not fought for two years.

Now senior figures at the agency are worried if he were cleared, Fury could sue for loss of earnings.

Given he reportedly makes up to £5m a fight before other revenue streams are factored in, any potential payout would severely challenge Ukad with its annual budget of around £8m.

The public body would also face legal costs for its own lawyers and potentially those of the Fury camp.

The issue has been discussed by Ukad's board recently and has been raised in meetings with the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS), through whom they are accountable to Parliament.

Ukad is believed to have sought guidance from the Government on whether it will effectively underwrite the case.

Thoughts?

[Enlightened-One]

My thoughts: is it possible for Ukad to manage the Tyson Fury case in an impartial and objective manner, given the fact that they have a vested interest to deliver an unfavourable outcome against the 'Gypsy King'?

Did Ukad intentionally procrastinate and delay their handling of the Tyson Fury case, due to the obviously dire implications to themselves for the possibility of clearing the 'Gypsy King'?

Here are some timeline facts that appear to support such a notion:

* February 2015: The sample that ultimately led to Tyson Fury being charged with a doping offence was taken (as confirmed by Ukad)

* 24 June 2016: Ukad charges Fury with a doping offence

* 12 May 2017: Ukad doping hearing is postponed, quashing hopes of July return

A date has still not been set for Tyson Fury's hearing with Ukad, but it's expected that it won't take place until 2018.

[Mimmy]

My opinion is if you are a legal body who monitor people and charge them with offences for breaking laws, in this case alleged banned substance located in the blood or urine sample, you should get the hearing sorted out quickly so punishment fits the crime, pay your due and move on.

Not sure what the whole issue is happening in the background here but they have pissed about so much its their own fault.

This is what should happen.

1.doping test submitted
2. blood urine anylised
3. illegal or banned substance found
4. Fury informed, date for hearing set.
5. guilty or not guilty after hearing
6. punishment set.

[Ilya Muromets]

"UK Anti-Doping (Ukad) fears it could be made insolvent"


Good! I don't know anything about "Ukad" but my guess is it is probably at least half as crooked as Doc Margaret Goodman and her Las Vegas NeVADA mafia operation. This drug testing thing is a political racket, with selective testing and suspicious findings, always directed against those who don't have the "connections"... exactly like the so called "war on drugs" in the USA.

[Oiky]

Good, bunch of lemons

[asdfjkl]

So in other words, Tyson Fury has to be succesfully banned, or the UK Anti-Doping squad will be doomed forever?
Now that's a big laugh actually.

[Mighty Atom]

And without an effective anti-doping system the UK government will have no choice but to ban pro boxing...

[Enlightened-One]

And without an effective anti-doping system the UK government will have no choice but to ban pro boxing...

Ukad covers all sports, not just boxing, and another anti-doping organisation would likely replace it.

[Mighty Atom]

"UK Anti-Doping (Ukad) fears it could be made insolvent"


Good! I don't know anything about "Ukad" but my guess is it is probably at least half as crooked as Doc Margaret Goodman and her Las Vegas NeVADA mafia operation. This drug testing thing is a political racket, with selective testing and suspicious findings, always directed against those who don't have the "connections"... exactly like the so called "war on drugs" in the USA.

Whooah. Hold your horses. UKAD have a pretty good rep unlike Nevada etc.
And you're nuts if think Fury and the people backing him don't have connections..
Important point here is that Fury's people are not disputing that the results of the test are not correct just that they have an explanation for the positive.
Actually this is good evidence that UKAD isn't corrupt. They're going up against a multi-millionaire. If they win they get nothing, if they lose they go broke

[Enlightened-One]

"UK Anti-Doping (Ukad) fears it could be made insolvent"


Good! I don't know anything about "Ukad" but my guess is it is probably at least half as crooked as Doc Margaret Goodman and her Las Vegas NeVADA mafia operation. This drug testing thing is a political racket, with selective testing and suspicious findings, always directed against those who don't have the "connections"... exactly like the so called "war on drugs" in the USA.

Whooah. Hold your horses. UKAD have a pretty good rep unlike Nevada etc.
And you're nuts if think Fury and the people backing him don't have connections..
Important point here is that Fury's people are not disputing that the results of the test are not correct just that they have an explanation for the positive.
Actually this is good evidence that UKAD isn't corrupt. They're going up against a multi-millionaire. If they win they get nothing, if they lose they go broke

Ukad imposes not only the payment of costs, but they also impose fines on the individuals proven to have consumed banned substances.

[Ossyrules]

It’s dragged on terribly, but I have no doubt that fury has contributed toward his own delay settling this situation.

It’s hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel though

[Ilya Muromets]

"UK Anti-Doping (Ukad) fears it could be made insolvent"


Good! I don't know anything about "Ukad" but my guess is it is probably at least half as crooked as Doc Margaret Goodman and her Las Vegas NeVADA mafia operation. This drug testing thing is a political racket, with selective testing and suspicious findings, always directed against those who don't have the "connections"... exactly like the so called "war on drugs" in the USA.

Whooah. Hold your horses. UKAD have a pretty good rep unlike Nevada etc.
And you're nuts if think Fury and the people backing him don't have connections..
Important point here is that Fury's people are not disputing that the results of the test are not correct just that they have an explanation for the positive.
Actually this is good evidence that UKAD isn't corrupt. They're going up against a multi-millionaire. If they win they get nothing, if they lose they go broke

Fury has his own connections but I don't think he has the connections with the big boxing mobs in the UK that are backing Joshua. And sure Fury himself is a nut and I remember his interview before the drug problem started when he said with a wink and a nudge that EVERYBODY in boxing was using drugs. He's too honest sometimes. How many times and how thoroughly has Joshua been drug tested, and who is testing the official drug testers? Boxing in the UK is corrupt too. Not as bad as Las Vegas but no place is. In fact boxing is corrupt all over and always has been. Drug testing is just a new tool for the bosses to selectively exploit.

[Mighty Atom]

Whatever you think of UKAD the delays make them look bad - but remember even the Furies except there was something "illegal" in his sample.
Just that they argue it came from meat not steriods

This is deadly serious for Tyson.
He could be facing 12 years of bans in the worst case scenario

[Ossyrules]

Whatever you think of UKAD the delays make them look bad - but remember even the Furies except there was something "illegal" in his sample.
Just that they argue it came from meat not steriods

This is deadly serious for Tyson.
He could be facing 12 years of bans in the worst case scenario

A lot of the time I always suspect the worst for these type of things, no smoke without fire type thinking. I’m not saying it’s enough to convict him, I haven’t all the evidence, but when you smell a rat, it’s normally a rat

The things that confuse me are though

- why did the Wlad fight go ahead after a ped test came back positive

- hughie went thru the same thing but has gone on to fight Parker. Both claimed the meat defence

[Enlightened-One]

Whatever you think of UKAD the delays make them look bad - but remember even the Furies except there was something "illegal" in his sample.
Just that they argue it came from meat not steriods

This is deadly serious for Tyson.
He could be facing 12 years of bans in the worst case scenario

It has been almost two years since Ukad detected a trace of banned substances in Tyson Fury's blood and they haven't even held a hearing yet.

Even if Fury was ultimately deemed guilty by Ukad, which he hasn't been yet, he has already served an unreasonably harsh punishment.

[Kalan]

Many cases have been decided in favor the the boxers for "inadvertent usage"... James Toney was given a 6-month suspension... Roy Jones was given no suspension... Erik Morales was given no suspension because it was supposed in “something he ate” ... Andre Berto was given a suspension that was equivalent to no suspension…

Mayweather’s cases were swept under the rug… Lamont Peterson kept his World Title after he asked for his B Sample to be tested in a lab of his own choosing – and when the B-Sample also came back positive for synthetic testosterone – he suddenly “remembered I was taking testosterone for low-T. I had completely forgotten about that.” His org excused his behavior and he's been taking synthetic testosterone ever since. All these cases have been decided one way... Ortiz, Povetkin, Bute and other "outs" have been treated with a different standard.

If Tyson Fury took a PED “inadvertently” why treat him any differently than dozens of North Americans have been treated??? Including Bermane Siverne was totally excused for PED usage VADA and the WBC discovered when he was training for Povetkin. It was an "accident" after all.

[Mighty Atom]

UKAD operates under World Anti-Doping Association rules which are stricter.
Most of the cases you mention would have resulted in 2-4 year bans if they'd happened to a British fighter in the UK

[Mighty Atom]

Whatever you think of UKAD the delays make them look bad - but remember even the Furies except there was something "illegal" in his sample.
Just that they argue it came from meat not steriods

This is deadly serious for Tyson.
He could be facing 12 years of bans in the worst case scenario

It has been almost two years since Ukad detected a trace of banned substances in Tyson Fury's blood and they haven't even held a hearing yet.

Even if Fury was ultimately deemed guilty by Ukad, which he hasn't been yet, he has already served an unreasonably harsh punishment.

The time he's waited for a hearing is ridiculous. I agree with you on that.
However he's facing an automatic 4 year ban for the positive test then a possible 8 years for the second offence of refusing a test in Summer 2016.
Potentially he'll be banned from UK rings until 2027.

[Enlightened-One]

Whatever you think of UKAD the delays make them look bad - but remember even the Furies except there was something "illegal" in his sample.
Just that they argue it came from meat not steriods

This is deadly serious for Tyson.
He could be facing 12 years of bans in the worst case scenario

It has been almost two years since Ukad detected a trace of banned substances in Tyson Fury's blood and they haven't even held a hearing yet.

Even if Fury was ultimately deemed guilty by Ukad, which he hasn't been yet, he has already served an unreasonably harsh punishment.

The time he's waited for a hearing is ridiculous. I agree with you on that.
However he's facing an automatic 4 year ban for the positive test then a possible 8 years for the second offence of refusing a test in Summer 2016.
Potentially he'll be banned from UK rings until 2027.

Can you please cite an example of any professional boxer that received a ban of eight years?

[greg]

...I don't buy Tyson's excuses and believe he's just another doper trying to get away with it just as expected...having said that, I'm not aware of any reasonable explanation as to why it has been taking such a long time to come up with a hearing and solve the case...

[Mighty Atom]

It has been almost two years since Ukad detected a trace of banned substances in Tyson Fury's blood and they haven't even held a hearing yet.

Even if Fury was ultimately deemed guilty by Ukad, which he hasn't been yet, he has already served an unreasonably harsh punishment.

The time he's waited for a hearing is ridiculous. I agree with you on that.
However he's facing an automatic 4 year ban for the positive test then a possible 8 years for the second offence of refusing a test in Summer 2016.
Potentially he'll be banned from UK rings until 2027.

Can you please cite an example of any professional boxer that received a ban of eight years?

It's never happened because no pro boxer in the UK has ever been caught twice in serious doping cases but if you want to look it up in https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/ ... g-code.pdf

Quite clear
1st offence 4 years
2nd - 8 years
3rd - life

[Enlightened-One]

The time he's waited for a hearing is ridiculous. I agree with you on that.
However he's facing an automatic 4 year ban for the positive test then a possible 8 years for the second offence of refusing a test in Summer 2016.
Potentially he'll be banned from UK rings until 2027.

Can you please cite an example of any professional boxer that received a ban of eight years?

It's never happened because no pro boxer in the UK has ever been caught twice in serious doping cases but if you want to look it up in https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/ ... g-code.pdf

Quite clear
1st offence 4 years
2nd - 8 years
3rd - life

Has any pro boxer ever received a four year ban?

You're quoting numbers, but I don't believe that there are any high or even medium profile professional boxers that have received bans that clearly reflect those figures.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I can't recall any professional boxer that has received any ban from any country that lasts for at least four years... definitely not eight years.

I'd be very impressed if you can list six names...

In regards to the sport of boxing, isn't it the responsibility of the sports governing bodies to punish fighters that have been proven guilty (by the anti-doping agencies) of consuming banned substances?

The WADA code is not adhered to when determining the nature of the punishment that is ultimately imposed... it's only used for the test protocols and banned substance list... or am I wrong about this?

[Ilya Muromets]

Many cases have been decided in favor the the boxers for "inadvertent usage"... James Toney was given a 6-month suspension... Roy Jones was given no suspension... Erik Morales was given no suspension because it was supposed in “something he ate” ... Andre Berto was given a suspension that was equivalent to no suspension…

Mayweather’s cases were swept under the rug… Lamont Peterson kept his World Title after he asked for his B Sample to be tested in a lab of his own choosing – and when the B-Sample also came back positive for synthetic testosterone – he suddenly “remembered I was taking testosterone for low-T. I had completely forgotten about that.” His org excused his behavior and he's been taking synthetic testosterone ever since. All these cases have been decided one way... Ortiz, Povetkin, Bute and other "outs" have been treated with a different standard.

If Tyson Fury took a PED “inadvertently” why treat him any differently than dozens of North Americans have been treated??? Including Bermane Siverne was totally excused for PED usage VADA and the WBC discovered when he was training for Povetkin. It was an "accident" after all.

The anti-doping businesses are political ploys. They are selectively enforced, just like the "war on drugs" in the USA. How many otherwise totally innocent people have spent years in prison for possessing a beneficial (unless used in excess, like everything else) natural herb, marijuana, while at least three of their presidents in a row, GW Bush, Obama, and Clinton (whose own brother said he "has a nose like a vacuum cleaner" referring to his cocaine usage) were known dopers?

[Thomastearns]

Seriously, given Tyson Fury's record on previous statements, does anyone here believe him or anything he says?

Sure, there is a rule of law and protocols to follow, and it may be the case that it can't be proven that he deliberately used PEDs, but does anyone really believe him? After all his trials and tribulations, can he even believe himself?

Finding loopholes is very lucrative whilst being clean has no reward outside your own conscience. In fact being clean will put you at a clear psychological disadvantage if you remotely suspect that your opponent is not. The fact is he tested positive, he doesn't deny it, its only his culpability that needs to be judged and sentenced.

Millionaire sport stars, especially when they have the sanctioning authorities behind them (!?), are impossible to punish adequately, whilst others can get a slap on the wrist. There's been far too much premature talk by various vested interests of the big fights he will be involved in once he returns. We need to first know whether he been cheating. Far too many criminals hide behind the law already, is Tyson Fury another one?

Athletics has been brought to its knees over this issue and still can't get it sorted - but in athletics you lose the race, sometimes medals and money. In boxing you can also get your face and body smashed in. The accidental ingestion of PEDs excuse is fast becoming redundant. Everyone in sport knows that they have to take responsibility for what they eat, drink or inject.

This is an hugely important test case for UKAD and the integrity of UK sport.

[Enlightened-One]

Seriously, given Tyson Fury's record on previous statements, does anyone here believe him or anything he says?

Sure, there is a rule of law and protocols to follow, and it may be the case that it can't be proven that he deliberately used PEDs, but does anyone really believe him? After all his trials and tribulations, can he even believe himself?

Finding loopholes is very lucrative whilst being clean has no reward outside your own conscience. In fact being clean will put you at a clear psychological disadvantage if you remotely suspect that your opponent is not. The fact is he tested positive, he doesn't deny it, its only his culpability that needs to be judged and sentenced.

Millionaire sport stars, especially when they have the sanctioning authorities behind them (!?), are impossible to punish adequately, whilst others can get a slap on the wrist. There's been far too much premature talk by various vested interests of the big fights he will be involved in once he returns. We need to first know whether he been cheating. Far too many criminals hide behind the law already, is Tyson Fury another one?

Athletics has been brought to its knees over this issue and still can't get it sorted - but in athletics you lose the race, sometimes medals and money. In boxing you can also get your face and body smashed in. The accidental ingestion of PEDs excuse is fast becoming redundant. Everyone in sport knows that they have to take responsibility for what they eat, drink or inject.

This is an hugely important test case for UKAD and the integrity of UK sport.

Let's not get too distracted about whether Tyson Fury is guilty or innocent of being a drug cheat, because I feel it's irrelevant.

The fact remains is that Ukad detected Tyson Fury's defective sample during February 2015, the fighter was suspended pending Ukad's hearing in June 2016 (he was briefly suspended the previous year for the same issue relating to the same defective sample) and Ukad postponed their hearing during May 2017, without rescheduling it. So Tyson's hearing won't take place until next year... there isn't even a date for it.

Even if Tyson Fury is guilty, he has already served an excessively severe punishment (that far exceeds the usual ban imposed on boxers found guilty of similar infractions), with Ukad/BBBofC having handled his case in an appalling manner.

The fact that Ukad are seeking funding to underwrite the possibility of being sued by Tyson Fury for loss of earnings, which the 'Gypsy King' should be able to do even if he's deemed guilty of consuming PED's, means that they already concede the likelihood that they've mishandled the situation.

Three questions/tests need to be considered:

Has Ukad/BBBofC handled the Tyson Fury situation in a consistent manner to how they dealt with other fighters accused of committing the same infraction?

If not, has Ukad/BBBofC treated Tyson Fury unfairly?

If so, has the consequences of Ukad/BBBofC actions resulted in Tyson Fury suffering financial and emotional harm?

The answers to these questions/tests should help explain the reason why Ukad are fearful of going bankrupt.