Best Heavyweight Prospects?

[punchoutsb]

or the one that said two anecdotal examples don't matter but one anecdotal example does

As for this part, you totally can't read.

Wow, you're back again! Well if anything you're consistent. If only they gave points for being consistently stupid.

Lomachenko & holyfield both used dancing for footwork.

You're such an idiot.

Two anecdotal examples. They don't matter according you.

I'm sure Victor Ortiz came back in top form after dance training on Dancing with the Stars. I could see all those improvements when he got stopped by Berto.

One anecdotal example. It matters according to you.

You haven't given me anything other than fighters coming out saying that it helped them. I already said one fighter that went into dance and came out looking worse.

You stating outright that the two anecdotal examples given don't matter, and yet somehow your single anecdotal example does matter.

Totally can't read

Are you done again or will you be back to argue more? You've only said you're done twice. Third times the charm.

[asdfjkl]

That's what makes mexi a special kind of idiot. He argues for pages when he's dead wrong.

You're by far the biggest idiot on this forum lol.

[Tony1244]

I think this must be a language issue.

[asdfjkl]

Roberto Secola might become something, he has a decent start in every case.

[Lackeos]

I sure do wish very much that people would stfu about dancing in this thread about heavyweight prospects.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Ok sweetheart, don't get so upset. There are no prospects, they all suck. The division is horrific.

[punchoutsb]

I sure do wish very much that people would stfu about dancing in this thread about heavyweight prospects.

What did you think of Hrgovics debut?

[Lackeos]

I sure do wish very much that people would stfu about dancing in this thread about heavyweight prospects.

What did you think of Hrgovics debut?

Haven't seen footage of the full fight, yet (not currently available on youtube). But from a matchmaking perspective, I'd say it is less aggressive than Yoka's debut, roughly on-par with Joshua's debut, and way better than most peoples' debuts, including Dychko's and Wilder's. If Yoka and Hrgovic continue to be matched that aggressively, they will be on a rapid ascent up the ranks. They need to move-up that rapidly, because a lot of the prospects I've identified are only 19, 20, 21, and 23; and have already defeated similar or better competition than the older Hrgovic. But anyways, it's a fine debut opponent, and the way he ran through Love, he should be looking at fighting again in a month, because I seriously doubt he's going to need any time to recover. But as his competition gets better, he needs to learn that he's in the pros, there is no headgear, and he can't abandon his defense like he did against the hopeless Love.

[punchoutsb]

I sure do wish very much that people would stfu about dancing in this thread about heavyweight prospects.

What did you think of Hrgovics debut?

Haven't seen footage of the full fight, yet (not currently available on youtube). But from a matchmaking perspective, I'd say it is less aggressive than Yoka's debut, roughly on-par with Joshua's debut, and way better than most peoples' debuts, including Dychko's and Wilder's. If Yoka and Hrgovic continue to be matched that aggressively, they will be on a rapid ascent up the ranks. They need to move-up that rapidly, because a lot of the prospects I've identified are only 19, 20, 21, and 23; and have already defeated similar or better competition than the older Hrgovic. But anyways, it's a fine debut opponent, and the way he ran through Love, he should be looking at fighting again in a month, because I seriously doubt he's going to need any time to recover. But as his competition gets better, he needs to learn that he's in the pros, there is no headgear, and he can't abandon his defense like he did against the hopeless Love.

I believe all three (Yoka, Hrgovic, and Dychko) will be rated in the top 10 within the next year and a half. If even two of the three can get there it will add some much needed depth to a very shallow division. Hrgovic had the "toughest" debut opponent, so he has set the bar and should be fighting on the fringe Euro level within 4-5 fights. I'm encouraged that they've all debuted this close together. The division needs them badly.

[KiwiRider]

I sure do wish very much that people would stfu about dancing in this thread about heavyweight prospects.

What did you think of Hrgovics debut?

Haven't seen footage of the full fight, yet (not currently available on youtube). But from a matchmaking perspective, I'd say it is less aggressive than Yoka's debut, roughly on-par with Joshua's debut, and way better than most peoples' debuts, including Dychko's and Wilder's. If Yoka and Hrgovic continue to be matched that aggressively, they will be on a rapid ascent up the ranks. They need to move-up that rapidly, because a lot of the prospects I've identified are only 19, 20, 21, and 23; and have already defeated similar or better competition than the older Hrgovic. But anyways, it's a fine debut opponent, and the way he ran through Love, he should be looking at fighting again in a month, because I seriously doubt he's going to need any time to recover. But as his competition gets better, he needs to learn that he's in the pros, there is no headgear, and he can't abandon his defense like he did against the hopeless Love.

Nice summation.
Does Hrgovic have the backing to get decent fights? So much depends on who your promoter is these days.

[candyslim]

I just watched both debuts of Hrgovic and Dychko. I think I prefer the latter. Hrgovic looks quite clumsy looking to me whereas Dychko, even though he's huge, his footwork and balance looks a lot better imo. Hrgovic actually reminds me a little of Vitali in the way he moves. Obviously Vital ended up being a very good heavyweight, but that was also in part due to having a great chin. Time will tell if Hrgovic has that attribute himself.

Do try to stay on topic lefty. This is a thread about dancing and basketball.

However if you must insist on derailing it, Dychko (at 6' 8 or 9", the little guy against Augur Wright) is a good boxer but doesn't have the best of chins. He was coasting to a win against Mago Medzhirov when he was flattened by a right hand, having just got up from another one.

Hrgovic is a very good boxer but his flaws were exposed by Joe Joyce who doesn't have great skills, but has a firm grip on the basics, and a very good engine. At one point Hrgovic looked like he had really had enough although he rallied to finish strongly but well beaten. It wasn't like he was inexperienced either he was a previous WSB individual champion.

I still think he will make an impact in the division though but the Joyce fight made me realize he can be hit, hurt and discouraged.

[jamamb]

hrg is stiff and slow, but very steady and strong and will grind down a lot of smoother boxers. no known chin problems.

dychko moves well for such a big man, but hes surprisingly weak given his size and gasses even over three rounds. also sticks his chin out and gets caught pulling back, esp. when tired. got brutally ktfo doing it. also the nigerian in the olympics was starting to bust him up in the third and joyce walked through him last two rounds.

hrg is the better prospect even if his style isn't prettier on the eye. if they fought dychko would win early rounds but get stopped eventually. it's not just a beauty contest. dychko will always look more flowingly boxer when in control.

[Kalan]

If someone thinks that for a boxer (especially mediocre boxer) dance training is good and improves his footwork better than actually a boxing training he is a troll

If you're mediocre nothing's going to help ... but what if you're outstanding? ... You can always get better because nobody's perfect.

You need to precision footwork for both -- which is totally different for Dancing than Boxing -- but so are the drills you do with the Agility Ladder...and athletes in MANY sports INCLUDING Boxing use the Agility Ladder to improve their foot-speed, balance, and the precision of their feet.. West Coast Swing Dancing and other dancing styles provide you a fun way to improve your balance, foot-speed, rhythm, precision stepping, and athleticism.. Do you watch DWTS???

Inventing some of your own unique dancing moves develops your creativity, timing, anticipation, general ease of upper body movement and agility.. In dancing you also have a partner like you do in sparring.. But in dancing you have to make your partner look good, show her off, and sex her up with your moves, all at the same time.. In many of the slower dances you have to hold a interesting conversation and dance well at the same time.. This takes tremendous muscle memory because you're working both sides of your brain at the same time.. What do you do for fun when you're not in training camp?? A good choice to hit some of the trendiest dance spots in town -- where some of the hottest babes hang out dressed to kill. They go for it.

It's a funny thing.. The average dance goes about 3 minutes.. Some longer some shorter.. Then you converse for about a minute before the band kicks up another dance tune... You get into a rhythm like you do for rounds -- and if you're really masterful it seems effortless and you don't break much of a sweat.

[jamamb]

I just watched both debuts of Hrgovic and Dychko. I think I prefer the latter. Hrgovic looks quite clumsy looking to me whereas Dychko, even though he's huge, his footwork and balance looks a lot better imo. Hrgovic actually reminds me a little of Vitali in the way he moves. Obviously Vital ended up being a very good heavyweight, but that was also in part due to having a great chin. Time will tell if Hrgovic has that attribute himself.

Do try to stay on topic lefty. This is a thread about dancing and basketball.

However if you must insist on derailing it, Dychko (at 6' 8 or 9", the little guy against Augur Wright) is a good boxer but doesn't have the best of chins. He was coasting to a win against Mago Medzhirov when he was flattened by a right hand, having just got up from another one.

Hrgovic is a very good boxer but his flaws were exposed by Joe Joyce who doesn't have great skills, but has a firm grip on the basics, and a very good engine. At one point Hrgovic looked like he had really had enough although he rallied to finish strongly but well beaten. It wasn't like he was inexperienced either he was a previous WSB individual champion.

I still think he will make an impact in the division though but the Joyce fight made me realize he can be hit, hurt and discouraged.

hrg also just 20 while joyce was 27. was just a teenager not many months earlier. highly unlikely hrg fully developed at that age, even if was already doing well in wsb.

[candyslim]

That's a very good point Jamamb. I should have made more of that in my post. Obviously Hrgovic at such a tender age is going to find a seasoned campaigner like Joyce a bit of a handful to say the least

[franio]

Daniel Dubois

[pound per pound]

Dychko looks like he added some muscle.

Hrgovic is an old school brawler with new school skills. Fans will like him.

[G.McClellan]

Kownacki is already ranked the #3 heavy in the US and #11 in the world.

Let's see where he's ranked when he meets a top Heavyweight... He's no Klitschko, Fury, or Povetkin... Not a lot of innate talent there to beat the best.

Szpilka is a top heavy. Wasn't he beating Wilder before the KO, or at least very definitely holding his own against him? Don't know if you saw Kow-Szpilka but he impressed me a lot in that fight. He's not there to win a body building contest but he throws a crazy amount of very accurate and powerful punches from all angles.

I thought the same.

In his earlier fights he got hit too often for my liking. In this fight he looked sharper, defensively and offensively.

He belongs.

[KiwiRider]

Junior Fa meets Fred Latham this weekend.
Biggest fight for both of them so far.
Fa has slightly better opponents so far and Latham has more rounds.
I think both barely scrape the "prospect" description but if Fa comes into it in better condition and maybe some better skills he could be considered. I don't know anything about Latham- anyone fill me in?

[jamamb]

never seen latham but fa seems crap

[asdfjkl]

I just had a laugh about this heavyweight paperboy:
William Bezerra
41-0-0 with 40 KO's and one disqualification.
An even better KO rating as Deontay Wilder!
Amazing! Simply amazing.

[AlexCayWalt]

Yoka, Hrgovic, Joyce. I'm sure Yoka and Hrgovic will become the new world champions.
Dubois, Rock and Wilson look promising but I'm not sure about them.

[KiwiRider]

I just had a laugh about this heavyweight paperboy:
William Bezerra
41-0-0 with 40 KO's and one disqualification.
An even better KO rating as Deontay Wilder!
Amazing! Simply amazing.

What a stunner!!
I just had to check him out;
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/536325
5'11" The Towering Inferno! The air must be thin up there, who needs to train at altitude?
He has a fight coming up with what might be the brother of someone else he beat.
"You beat my brother! Now I musta have my rewengie!"
Great hair musta be popular widda da laadies

[jamamb]

what an utterly bizarre record that brazilians got. and strange how many fight pages for his matches have details filled out for them. someone has gone to a lot of effort keeping his page.

and how many f@cking dos santos and de oliveria's can one fight

[Lackeos]

Funny that this thread should get bumped now, because tomorrow Nathan Gorman fights 26-year-old Mohamed Soltby, who is 13-0 and ranked #111 on boxrec; which makes him the highest-rated opponent Gorman has ever fought.

Dubois, Rock, and Yoka also have fights scheduled in early-mid December. Dubois's opponent has a rating equal to Dubois's former best. Rock and Yoka are fighting TBA.

I just had a laugh about this heavyweight paperboy:
William Bezerra
41-0-0 with 40 KO's and one disqualification.
An even better KO rating as Deontay Wilder!
Amazing! Simply amazing.

What a stunner!!
I just had to check him out;
http://boxrec.com/en/boxer/536325
5'11" The Towering Inferno! The air must be thin up there, who needs to train at altitude?
He has a fight coming up with what might be the brother of someone else he beat.
"You beat my brother! Now I musta have my rewengie!"
Great hair musta be popular widda da laadies

This guy is really a cruiserweight, so let's not spend too much time on him. However, he's a good example of why the big, lopsided W-L record and near-perfect KO percentage are not stats that boxing analysts should value. It is easy for a bottomfeeder to build-up a record like that by simply fighting poor opposition. Unwillingness to elevate your level of matchmaking reveals all.