TheGingerBomber wrote: ↑31 Oct 2017, 15:17
Eubank Jnr went slow and a lot of people doubted him. He is what he is because of the path he has taken. I think fans would be more forgiving of Benn's trajectory if he wasn't forced down their throats and given chances on big cards. He's not even fighting the level of lad where I think he's deserving of headlining one of these NXTGen shows.
I know it sounds far fetched, but with Joyce apparently fighting on the Haye/Bellew 2 card, I'd like to see Benn move around too, and get on Dave. I know the PPv is a co-promotion with Haye as opposed to the Dave shows being Hayemaker Ringstar only, but allowing Benn on freeview could boost his profile even more. Eubank starting on 5 worked pretty well.
eubank wasnt all that slow. terry carruthers a few fights in and also bradley pyrce within a year of turning pro. fought bjs within a couple years of his debut. there was some really soft touches but a lot better than benn and these ranked #1000 guys. though imo benn needs alot more work than jr did.
small steps but think he should be taking them.still believe kehler was his best opponent.
not really, don't let Benns 9-0 record fool you, the lad is just a novice that is slowly improving, you've got to remember most young pros are coming into the game off the back of an amateur career that probably involved some kind tournament action, so they have experience being in the ring with decent lads, a handful of novice fights in oz wont prepare you for the pros, in reality Conor doesn't know his arse from his elbow yet, give him chance
ya i thiink he shouldbe brought slow but look at how the last opponents folded. he could clearly move up a bit w/o being at risk. right now part of it seems to be getting him casual hype with these' monster' stoppage performances.
I think he needs some decent journeymen types who can take him rounds, although needs to be careful because some of them could beat him right now
littlepug wrote: ↑09 Nov 2017, 07:29
not really, don't let Benns 9-0 record fool you, the lad is just a novice that is slowly improving, you've got to remember most young pros are coming into the game off the back of an amateur career that probably involved some kind tournament action, so they have experience being in the ring with decent lads, a handful of novice fights in oz wont prepare you for the pros, in reality Conor doesn't know his arse from his elbow yet, give him chance
ya i thiink he shouldbe brought slow but look at how the last opponents folded. he could clearly move up a bit w/o being at risk. right now part of it seems to be getting him casual hype with these' monster' stoppage performances.
I think he needs some decent journeymen types who can take him rounds, although needs to be careful because some of them could beat him right now
You have to think though if Benn cannot beat anyone with a heart beat its not the sport for him. Benn cannot go on fighting fodder fight after fight. When is the point that they will fight someone within the top 100? 20 fights, 30?.
Fighting a bloke whos record is poor yet his wins on his poor record is not doing him any favours. Surely Benn is 'fighting' better in the gym.
I would at least be now looking at fighters who have had a good start to their own career but got to a certain level and petered off. Maybe fighting lads who were not quite British level, but better than what hes fighting now.
Theres no point in kidding yourself because at some point you start to believe in the hype and Benn has plenty of that on his Twitter page. I would at least want to be tested in your chosen sport rather than playing the big boy and kidding yourself.
ya i thiink he shouldbe brought slow but look at how the last opponents folded. he could clearly move up a bit w/o being at risk. right now part of it seems to be getting him casual hype with these' monster' stoppage performances.
I think he needs some decent journeymen types who can take him rounds, although needs to be careful because some of them could beat him right now
You have to think though if Benn cannot beat anyone with a heart beat its not the sport for him. Benn cannot go on fighting fodder fight after fight. When is the point that they will fight someone within the top 100? 20 fights, 30?.
Fighting a bloke whos record is poor yet his wins on his poor record is not doing him any favours. Surely Benn is 'fighting' better in the gym.
I would at least be now looking at fighters who have had a good start to their own career but got to a certain level and petered off. Maybe fighting lads who were not quite British level, but better than what hes fighting now.
Theres no point in kidding yourself because at some point you start to believe in the hype and Benn has plenty of that on his Twitter page. I would at least want to be tested in your chosen sport rather than playing the big boy and kidding yourself.
yeah its a fine line, but you are correct and as his dad used to say "its the hurt business" and at some point you have to step up because too many soft fights can harm a boxers career, to be fair if it wasn't such a big deal getting a loss on your record these days he could of already stepped up a bit
I'd rather see a fighter fight who's the best at that time , at any level he's at
Much more honourable to fight a man at your level, and lose, than it is to pogger easy men fight after fight
That's the good thing about MMA they just get in there and fight loss or not, but in boxing it's all which is fair enough & I don't begrudge fighting men a good payday but you can still fight proper fights at the right time and earn yaself a good few quid
TheGingerBomber wrote: ↑31 Oct 2017, 15:17
Eubank Jnr went slow and a lot of people doubted him. He is what he is because of the path he has taken. I think fans would be more forgiving of Benn's trajectory if he wasn't forced down their throats and given chances on big cards. He's not even fighting the level of lad where I think he's deserving of headlining one of these NXTGen shows.
I know it sounds far fetched, but with Joyce apparently fighting on the Haye/Bellew 2 card, I'd like to see Benn move around too, and get on Dave. I know the PPv is a co-promotion with Haye as opposed to the Dave shows being Hayemaker Ringstar only, but allowing Benn on freeview could boost his profile even more. Eubank starting on 5 worked pretty well.
eubank wasnt all that slow. terry carruthers a few fights in and also bradley pyrce within a year of turning pro. fought bjs within a couple years of his debut. there was some really soft touches but a lot better than benn and these ranked #1000 guys. though imo benn needs alot more work than jr did.
small steps but think he should be taking them.still believe kehler was his best opponent.
Eubanks first year was good matchmaking. The build up to the Saunders fight was abysmal though. No learning fights at all and it cost him in the Saunders fight.
But his hype isn't fine for his level and that's the problem. If it wasn't for his surname he would be on the small hall circuit learning his craft. Instead he gets high spots in TV cards. It's going to come crashing down on him hard at some point.
Naandrew wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 05:06
Connors matchmaking is fine for his level.
But his hype isn't fine for his level and that's the problem. If it wasn't for his surname he would be on the small hall circuit learning his craft. Instead he gets high spots in TV cards. It's going to come crashing down on him hard at some point.
I think also he acts like a big star which may put people off him.
Naandrew wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 05:06
Connors matchmaking is fine for his level.
But his hype isn't fine for his level and that's the problem. If it wasn't for his surname he would be on the small hall circuit learning his craft. Instead he gets high spots in TV cards. It's going to come crashing down on him hard at some point.
If it wasn’t for his name he would be struggling to reach an ABA area final.
It’s amazing how in the toughest of sports a name can get you so far. The first ambitious opponent he faces, he loses.
Naandrew wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 05:06
Connors matchmaking is fine for his level.
But his hype isn't fine for his level and that's the problem. If it wasn't for his surname he would be on the small hall circuit learning his craft. Instead he gets high spots in TV cards. It's going to come crashing down on him hard at some point.
I think also he acts like a big star which may put people off him.
Thats part of the issue, his head is in the clouds and thinks hes a world beater, this is proberly all around him saying he's fantastic. He needs a decent little fight where hes put on his arse by someone around his level. He needs bringing back down to earth really. I enjoy watching him fight but hes going around Twitter and possibly other social media platforms with his PR photos and talking like hes a world champion but hes fighting guys who are basically inept. I hate to slag off any pro boxer as it takes bollox to get in a ring but Twitter comments such as.
'Lets ave it'
'People are going to respect my hustle'
'Feed them to the lions'
'Im ready to put on a vicious display in the States'
Whats all that about?
I really want to like Benn as I loved his dad back in the day but when you are fighting a guy who has had 7 wins against 7 opponents who have not had a win between them its hard to listen to 'Feed them to the lions' and 'im ready to put on a vicious display in the States' It kind of makes a mockery of himself because hes talking like a school yard bully who wont fight the big kids but is willing to kick the nursery's arse.
I have more respect for Harlem Eubank at the moment only 3-0 but his last fight was decent.
Naandrew wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 05:06
Connors matchmaking is fine for his level.
But his hype isn't fine for his level and that's the problem. If it wasn't for his surname he would be on the small hall circuit learning his craft. Instead he gets high spots in TV cards. It's going to come crashing down on him hard at some point.
If it wasn’t for his name he would be struggling to reach an ABA area final.
It’s amazing how in the toughest of sports a name can get you so far. The first ambitious opponent he faces, he loses.
Maybe he should of gone the ABA route before turning over, would of gained fantastic experience in a tough tournament filled with future champs
At the level Conor is fighting at he is doing a great job, look at the vids on you tube, he is an exciting fighter.
Of course with his lack of amateur experience he is being brought along sensibly, and he is doing his learning in the gym amongst champions. Sparring regularly against the likes of Ricky Burns is a tremendous experience.
While I agree that we should let the lad learn his trade and take baby steps, SKY are hyping him off the back of his dad and he is therefore being judged accordingly.
I expect a Mexican graveyard dweller with a 2-0 "winning" record to be introduced for this American debut.
steve689 wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 09:58
While I agree that we should let the lad learn his trade and take baby steps, SKY are hyping him off the back of his dad and he is therefore being judged accordingly.
I expect a Mexican graveyard dweller with a 2-0 "winning" record to be introduced for this American debut.
his opponent has a record of 7 wins 5 or 6 losses. Those 7 wins do make make good reading though. None of the boxers who were beat by the mexican had a win between them. In his losses he was beaten by anyone with a heartbeat.
This fight will go 1 round. The only thing Benn will have learned that it takes a few hours to fly from the UK to the US
mimmy123 wrote: ↑11 Nov 2017, 06:15
I have more respect for Harlem Eubank at the moment only 3-0 but his last fight was decent.
Harlem lost his last fight.
The score cards said he won, the ref didn't score the knockdown in the first round either. But in the real world, that Frenchie beat him squarely.
A 10/8 in the first, and all but the 4th he lost. Out landed, out worked and out matched. He got a gift ref and a gift decision.
i dont know hattons opponents, but going by boxrec 3 of his first 10 had 16 points or more (16, 21, 27 i think).benn hasnt fought anyone with more than 10. but i dont know if the points have been adjusted to account for changes to the ranking system.
hatton in his 11th stopped a 30 point 9-0 guy for an area title. benn is obv much better than who hes been put in with. you dont have to put him in deep but i think a slight step would be nice.theres room to work with.
I didn't know the answer to the question , I just recall Ricky smashing through a bunch of losers early doors, as did Calzaghe, and a whole host of other UK fighters.
