Why is George Foreman so highly rated?

SaadOffTheDeck
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John Tate was beating Weaver on all scorecards. None of the 3 fights cards mattered, vitali and Tate got stopped.
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Frazier and Norton were high level tough fighters with great power. Foreman won them and it should not be underrated. Foreman won Ron Lyle who wasn't only strong. He had a real boxing level.
Old Foreman gave tough fight Holyfield. It's hard to overrate him.
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Re: Why is George Foreman so highly rated?

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Chippo wrote: 03 Nov 2017, 03:54 It's like saying that a team winning 1-0 at half time somehow gets half a victory even though they go on to lose the game 3-1. It's meaningless.

Vitali ducked Wladimir, quit like a dog against Byrd and got his face opened up like a pizza when he fought an actual world class fighter. End of.
Only a moron would say Vitali ducked Wladimir... Your career is more important than trying to win with an injury that incapacitates 1 arm.. You don't want to destroy the arm or shoulder.. You let the Byrd fight go and win your next fight.. You're still the beat Heavyweight in the world.

Lewis wasn't leading 3-1... He was losing the fight 4-2, despite the fact that Vitali had blood streaming into one eye from as savagely slashed eye lid that was ripped open by a holding and hitting palm rake as he pulled Vitali into a clinch with a headlock.. 90% of the damage to Vitali's face occurred within 20 seconds of the start of the 3rd round after Lewis was damned near knocked out in the 1st two rounds.. Lewis later exacerbated the cuts with more palm illegal palm rakes. The fight should have gone to the scorecards.

You're a stone cold hater... logic is therefore beyond you.
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Re: Why is George Foreman so highly rated?

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golden oldie wrote: 10 Nov 2017, 19:09
Kalan wrote: 10 Nov 2017, 15:32
Chippo wrote: 03 Nov 2017, 03:54 It's like saying that a team winning 1-0 at half time somehow gets half a victory even though they go on to lose the game 3-1. It's meaningless.

Vitali ducked Wladimir, quit like a dog against Byrd and got his face opened up like a pizza when he fought an actual world class fighter. End of.
Only a moron would say Vitali ducked Wladimir... Your career is more important than trying to win with an injury that incapacitates 1 arm.. You don't want to destroy the arm or shoulder.. You let the Byrd fight go and win your next fight.. You're still the beat Heavyweight in the world.

Lewis wasn't leading 3-1... He was losing the fight 4-2, despite the fact that Vitali had blood streaming into one eye from as savagely slashed eye lid that was ripped open by a holding and hitting palm rake as he pulled Vitali into a clinch with a headlock.. 90% of the damage to Vitali's face occurred within 20 seconds of the start of the 3rd round after Lewis was damned near knocked out in the 1st two rounds.. Lewis later exacerbated the cuts with more palm illegal palm rakes. The fight should have gone to the scorecards.

You're a stone cold hater... logic is therefore beyond you.
One could say you are a stone cold fantasist..... therefore logic is beyond you.

For your information, Mike McCallum was BEHIND on ALL 3 cards against Donald Curry until he stopped him in the 5th round. I am sure there are posters who could give you dozens of examples where the winner of a fight was behind on ALL cards up until the moment they were declared the winner. Your inability to deal with these " unpleasant " ( to you ) results is your problem. Tough sh,it. :roll: :roll:

Furthermore I think I can safely say ( to blatantly plagiarise Larry Holmes ) when it comes to judging what does or doesn't constitute fouls, you are not fit to carry Lou Moret's jock strap.
I can safely say you don't know WTF you're talking about.. Don Curry wasn't fouled.. McCallum wasn't worried about that.. Curry had a weak chin and Mike was setting him up all along for the KO punch.. McCallum brought his own judges that night and didn't need to worry in the least.

And as far as corrupt referee Lou Moret goes.. He warned Lewis for flagrantly palming Vitali in the face -- so he KNEW fouls contributed to the cuts.. And anybody who knows ANYTHING about Boxing knows that holding and hitting is a foul.. And the 2nd right Lewis threw in the 2nd round, about 20 seconds in -- was a holding and hitting foul -- besides being a palm rake.. And if you can't see the holding and hitting you're BLIND.

Also...if a fight is stopped on cuts and you go to the scorecards because fouls contributed to the cuts...the fight is OVER... It doesn't MATTER that there are 6 rounds left and time for the opponent to come back... The fight is OVER and the score is being TALLIED -- accidental fouls or not.

Also watch the Guerrero-Berto fight which Moret refereed...Guerrero got away with 100 fouls, including thumb strikes, wrestling, and holding and hitting... Once while Guerrero was holding-n-hitting Berto with impunity -- Max Kellerman shouted "SHADES OF LENNOX LEWIS!!!"

The HBO crew laughed their asses off... They knew Lou Moret refereed the Klitschko-Lewis fight and that's what Kellerman was referring to.

Also during the Klitschko-Lewis fight, George Foreman complained, "The referee has to stop this holding and hitting by Lewis."
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Re: Why is George Foreman so highly rated?

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Old-n-Moldie is a lying A-hole and blithering simpleton...

Any unbiased individual can clearly see, in the first 20 seconds the 3rd round, a variety of fouls opened Vitali's left eyelid and left cheek cuts... First a thumb strike with the first right hand Lewis threw in the round clearly opens a nick on VK's left eyelid... Then a holding-n-hitting palm slash over Vitali's face that slashed open the 3 jagged cuts... Then illegal headwork right on the eye all helped open the cut.. Those are 3 independent reasons why the Klitschko-Lewis should have gone to the scorecards -- since Vitali was clearly outboxing Lewis and more than 4 rounds had expired -- he deserved a UNANIMOUS TECHNICAL DECISION WIN after 6 rounds as he was winning on all cards.

The video Old-n-Moldie posted has George Foreman saying "Klitschko WOULD HAVE ONE THAT FIGHT and he deserves a rematch. He was ahead on points. The only reason he lost is because of the cuts." ... The cuts where blind Lou Moret conveniently didn't call fouls... Like he didn't call fouls on Guerrero in the Guerrero-Berto fight -- and with Guerrero holding and hitting Berto Max Kellerman shouted "SHADES OF LENNOX LEWIS!!!"
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