Can Joshua's Appeal Survive the Wilder Ducking? It's Getting Bad.

[boxing_rocks]

The fight would have to be in UK. Plain and simple. Nobody in the US knows who Miller or Wilder are.

[Ossyrules]

joshuas main appeal, what makes him a superstar, is with british casuals who probably know very little of wilder let alone keep up with daily boxing business news. even if josh were blatantly ducking theyd prob know little of it. And of course the evidence for joshua ducking is?

have wilders side made a formal offer? lmao at instagram callout =other guy ducking. caldo is one of these dumb gullable fans who think tweets are hard negotiations. what a twat

Look, Wilder has appeared on TV calling AJ out on several occasions. Even the fans in the arena sounded like they were booing when AJ danced around the Wilder questioning after his fight too.

It's amazing how some of you guys can't just have a civil conversation without being a an absolute cock. Why even be on here? Go drowned a kitten or fry up some ants with a magnifying glass. Whatever else gets your rocks off.

Calling out on tv or insta means fack all except it gets the gullible excited. If he was serious then why has his team not made Eddie Hearn an offer

[Ossyrules]

I think Big Baby Miller will fight Joshua next or at least before Wilder since he just signed with Hearn, assuming he gets by his next fight against Wach "Lurch".

Seeing how big baby dealt with Washington, and with respect to Washington’s showing vs wilder, you’d have to say miller would be a decent opponent for Joshua to fight.

Sure it’s not a unification fight, but it’s still decent fight to make. Big Bang doesn’t seem the type to travel though

[Ossyrules]

I think Big Baby Miller will fight Joshua next or at least before Wilder since he just signed with Hearn, assuming he gets by his next fight against Wach "Lurch".

A fight with Miller would make for a good US debut, help build his fanbase stateside and allow them to see how many British fans are willing to travel to watch AJ.

If it is a commercial success, it raises the possibility of the Wilder fight taking place in the US also.

According to Joshua’s latest Ifl interview, the plan next year is that his fights are in UK

[victor-romeo]

The fight would have to be in UK. Plain and simple. Nobody in the US knows who Miller or Wilder are.

[Lackeos]

Joshua is supposedly about to fight Parker in March, so I think he can be blamed for agreeing to such a great opportunity. On the other hand, it is likely that Wilder will not fight a top 10 opponent next. Actually, it's pretty hard to criticize anything Joshua does when you compare him to Wilder. Joshua fought Wlad, then Takam, then tried to fight Pulev, then he'll fight Parker; and he's only 28. Wilder's best opponent is either Stiverne or Duhaupas, both of whom are worse than Takam, both are worse than Wlad, both are worse than Parker, both are worse than Pulev; and this is all that Wilder has done by age 32. Wilder doesn't have anything on the horizon either, and few boxing fans expect him to fight a top 10 opponent next.

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I doubt Joshua is ducking since he's already faced an opponent better and more riskier than Windmiller.

The duck is firmly on the guy who has had nearly 40 pro fights and hasn't faced a top 10 fighter yet. The guy who, if he faced Dillian Whyte as rumoured, it would actually be a step up.

I like Wilder. He's fun and exciting to watch. Never has a dull fight. But his opposition has been pathetic.

In 2017, Bermaine Stiverne is a big fat galumph with man boobs, but in 2015 when Wilder fought him the first time around, he was infinitely better than Dillian Whyte & a top 10 fighter.

[Ossyrules]

I doubt Joshua is ducking since he's already faced an opponent better and more riskier than Windmiller.

The duck is firmly on the guy who has had nearly 40 pro fights and hasn't faced a top 10 fighter yet. The guy who, if he faced Dillian Whyte as rumoured, it would actually be a step up.

I like Wilder. He's fun and exciting to watch. Never has a dull fight. But his opposition has been pathetic.

In 2017, Bermaine Stiverne is big fat galumph with man boobs, but in 2015 when Wilder fought him the first time around, he was infinitely better than Dillian Whyte & a top 10 fighter.

That’s massively debatable. Stiverne was definitely better in 2015 but he still weren’t that good. Him and Whyte then even match

[boxing_rocks]

I doubt Joshua is ducking since he's already faced an opponent better and more riskier than Windmiller.

The duck is firmly on the guy who has had nearly 40 pro fights and hasn't faced a top 10 fighter yet. The guy who, if he faced Dillian Whyte as rumoured, it would actually be a step up.

I like Wilder. He's fun and exciting to watch. Never has a dull fight. But his opposition has been pathetic.

In 2017, Bermaine Stiverne is big fat galumph with man boobs, but in 2015 when Wilder fought him the first time around, he was infinitely better than Dillian Whyte & a top 10 fighter.

That’s massively debatable. Stiverne was definitely better in 2015 but he still weren’t that good. Him and Whyte then even match

Yep, Stiverne has never been "infinitely better" than anybody or "a top 10 fighter".

By the way, Whyte is now officially #1 WBC. I am wondering if they will order Wilder fight him or do a final eliminator first. I wouldn't mind seeing Wilder vs Whyte or Povetkin vs Whyte.

[KiwiRider]

I doubt Joshua is ducking since he's already faced an opponent better and more riskier than Windmiller.

The duck is firmly on the guy who has had nearly 40 pro fights and hasn't faced a top 10 fighter yet. The guy who, if he faced Dillian Whyte as rumoured, it would actually be a step up.

I like Wilder. He's fun and exciting to watch. Never has a dull fight. But his opposition has been pathetic.

In 2017, Bermaine Stiverne is big fat galumph with man boobs, but in 2015 when Wilder fought him the first time around, he was infinitely better than Dillian Whyte & a top 10 fighter.

Stiverens record suggests he was never really tested. The only decent opponent he has is Wilder x2

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In 2017, Bermaine Stiverne is big fat galumph with man boobs, but in 2015 when Wilder fought him the first time around, he was infinitely better than Dillian Whyte & a top 10 fighter.

That’s massively debatable. Stiverne was definitely better in 2015 but he still weren’t that good. Him and Whyte then even match

Yep, Stiverne has never been "infinitely better" than anybody or "a top 10 fighter".

By the way, Whyte is now officially #1 WBC. I am wondering if they will order Wilder fight him or do a final eliminator first. I wouldn't mind seeing Wilder vs Whyte or Povetkin vs Whyte.

Stiverne certainly is not great & never has been, but in 2015, he was a top 10 fighter.

Whyte is no great shakes either & if the WBC consider him to be the number 1 contender in the world & that is the accepted norm, then Stiverne being a top 10 fighter 3 years ago should also be the accepted norm.

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I doubt Joshua is ducking since he's already faced an opponent better and more riskier than Windmiller.

The duck is firmly on the guy who has had nearly 40 pro fights and hasn't faced a top 10 fighter yet. The guy who, if he faced Dillian Whyte as rumoured, it would actually be a step up.

I like Wilder. He's fun and exciting to watch. Never has a dull fight. But his opposition has been pathetic.

In 2017, Bermaine Stiverne is big fat galumph with man boobs, but in 2015 when Wilder fought him the first time around, he was infinitely better than Dillian Whyte & a top 10 fighter.

Stiverens record suggests he was never really tested. The only decent opponent he has is Wilder x2

That's a fair point, but Whyte is no better than he was.

To be fair to Whyte, he does have a better resume, but I just don't rate him at all.

Leaving Joshua aside, whom he lost to, he went life & death with Chisora who arguably really won their bout.

Whyte is game & willing to put himself out there & for that, I do give him credit, but he's just not as good as he thinks he is.

[KiwiRider]

Stiverens record suggests he was never really tested. The only decent opponent he has is Wilder x2

That's a fair point, but Whyte is no better than he was.

To be fair to Whyte, he does have a better resume, but I just don't rate him at all.

Leaving Joshua aside, whom he lost to, he went life & death with Chisora who arguably really won their bout.

Whyte is game & willing to put himself out there & for that, I do give him credit, but he's just not as good as he thinks he is.

I agree Whyte is a little hyped, in his own mind as well as Eddie's. I don't agree that you can leave Joshua aside, because I think Whyte did better than I could ever imagine even a 2015 Stiverne would have done.
I have trouble imagining how a 2015 Stiverne would have done against Del Boy because I might be a little biased. But Del is or was back then, better than anyone on Stiverne's resume

[Ossyrules]

That’s massively debatable. Stiverne was definitely better in 2015 but he still weren’t that good. Him and Whyte then even match

Yep, Stiverne has never been "infinitely better" than anybody or "a top 10 fighter".

By the way, Whyte is now officially #1 WBC. I am wondering if they will order Wilder fight him or do a final eliminator first. I wouldn't mind seeing Wilder vs Whyte or Povetkin vs Whyte.

Stiverne certainly is not great & never has been, but in 2015, he was a top 10 fighter.

Whyte is no great shakes either & if the WBC consider him to be the number 1 contender in the world & that is the accepted norm, then Stiverne being a top 10 fighter 3 years ago should also be the accepted norm.

I agree with that. Just not the statement that one is significantly better than the other

[Kalan]

Wilder is one of the best Heavyweights... He could be number 3 behind AJ and Ortiz... But there's 1 reason NOT to do Joshua vs Wilder.

Not just yet... because Wilder needs to beat somebody good.

Deontay Wilder hasn't had a Blockbuster event like Joshua-Klitschko... Joshua-Whyte was bigger than any fight Wilder had... Joshua-Takam was a bigger fight... Joshua-Martin was bigger... Joshua-Breazeale was even bigger... Hmmm...I'll say Wilder fought bigger fights than Joshua-Cornish

[In the know 85]

Joshua's main fan club are casual fans that know nothing, they'll agree with what ever excuse he and Hearn come up with.

[caldo2025]

Wilder is one of the best Heavyweights... He could be number 3 behind AJ and Ortiz... But there's 1 reason NOT to do Joshua vs Wilder.

Not just yet... because Wilder needs to beat somebody good.

Deontay Wilder hasn't had a Blockbuster event like Joshua-Klitschko... Joshua-Whyte was bigger than any fight Wilder had... Joshua-Takam was a bigger fight... Joshua-Martin was bigger... Joshua-Breazeale was even bigger... Hmmm...I'll say Wilder fought bigger fights than Joshua-Cornish

It's clear that if Wilder REALLY wants to get AJ inside the ring then he's going to have to do a couple of things- #1 Take way less money than he is apparently asking for #2 He's going to have to fight AJ across the pond.

It's hilarious how Wilder keeps calling Joshua out still and then we find out that behind the scenes Wilder is asking for ridiculous money. It's pathetic. The boxers that REALLY call out other boxers end up taking less money and agree to find anywhere. It appears to me now that Wilder is just trying to appear like he wants the fight in the public eye while he and his team make sure it doesn't happen in the negotiation room.

[SFW]

It's pretty sad the only real excuse people are coming up with is Wilder made no offer. Is everyone blind? AJ and Hearn hold all the cards, all of them. An offer from Wilder means absolutely nothing. Not even the paper it could be written on. Hearn can do or say anything too, the sheep just buy it regardless.

Another excuse is Wilder hasn't fought anybody. Yet your heroes Kell Brook and Ricky Hatton had not fought SHIT before they went on to prove their past competition meant nothing compared to what their capable of. Just like what Wilder can do. When it's your guy, the rules are different lol.

There is and always has been concern from the AJ side, because we've all seen him hurt, seen him gas out and look done. And they know Wilder is too dumb to care about all of the bullshit outside the ring he's a killer inside the ring. He's fast and powerful, more THAN ANY OF AJ's previous opponents simply a fact, had to use that line y'all use against Deontay constantly. Old Klitschko who had him out is laughably less dangerous sorry please check what year we all live in. If Klitschko came at Wilder like that, he's knocked out. Not handed a bullshit stoppage after barely surviving. Actually knocked out. This fight, when Joshua takes it since his word is the only thing that even kinda matters, is not gonna play out the way the fanboys here think it is.

[Enlightened-One]

A bout between Wilder and Joshua only became a real-world possibility since the 5th November, 2017, because prior to that, both men were committed to facing their mandatory challengers.

Nobody from Team Wilder has ever submitted an offer to AJ. This fact is irrefutable in nature, which means that it’s not up for debate.

Eddie Hearn has met up with Shelly Finkel and Al Haymon this week to discuss another offer to Wilder (i.e. dates, venues etc. but no purse split was agreed). Once again, this is another irrefutable fact.

So therefore, no one can say that AJ is “ducking” Deontay Wilder, because it’s only the Brits' team that have made the effort to initiate contract negotiations with the American.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

It's pretty sad the only real excuse people are coming up with is Wilder made no offer. Is everyone blind? AJ and Hearn hold all the cards, all of them. An offer from Wilder means absolutely nothing. Not even the paper it could be written on. Hearn can do or say anything too, the sheep just buy it regardless.

Another excuse is Wilder hasn't fought anybody. Yet your heroes Kell Brook and Ricky Hatton had not fought poo before they went on to prove their past competition meant nothing compared to what their capable of. Just like what Wilder can do. When it's your guy, the rules are different lol.

There is and always has been concern from the AJ side, because we've all seen him hurt, seen him gas out and look done. And they know Wilder is too dumb to care about all of the bullshit outside the ring he's a killer inside the ring. He's fast and powerful, more THAN ANY OF AJ's previous opponents simply a fact, had to use that line y'all use against Deontay constantly. Old Klitschko who had him out is laughably less dangerous sorry please check what year we all live in. If Klitschko came at Wilder like that, he's knocked out. Not handed a bullshit stoppage after barely surviving. Actually knocked out. This fight, when Joshua takes it since his word is the only thing that even kinda matters, is not gonna play out the way the fanboys here think it is.

I'll add that Wilder is as desperate for a big fight as any fighter I've ever seen. Dude isn't hungry, he's starving.

[SFW]

A bout between Wilder and Joshua only became a real-world possibility since the 5th November, 2017, because prior to that, both men were committed to facing their mandatory challengers.

Nobody from Team Wilder has ever submitted an offer to AJ. This fact is irrefutable in nature, which means that it’s not up for debate.

Eddie Hearn has met up with Shelly Finkel and Al Haymon this week to discuss another offer to Wilder (i.e. dates, venues etc. but no purse split was agreed). Once again, this is another irrefutable fact.

So therefore, no one can say that AJ is “ducking” Deontay Wilder, because it’s only the Brits' team that have made the effort to initiate contract negotiations with the American.

Um actually, people can say whatever they want, and it doesn't have to be based on yours or anyone else's criteria since that's never going to be the only way to determine who's doing what. A facade Hearn puts out there, any kind of contact or discussion, does not constitute anything real. He can literally tell you one thing and do another at any time, for any reason. They have all along wanted this fight at a much later date, yet you say they are the only ones to make an "offer". Well there's a huge contradiction right there. That offer would likely be lukewarm, not anything close to serious, and in reality a worthless offer. Something to talk about, click bait. Nothing real. Sounds very different than it actually is, and in no way clears either guy from suspicions. Joshua calls Wilder easy work, Hearn says 3 rounds. Yet they are looking in multiple other directions first, this little New York discussion about Wilder means what? Extremely little. Coffee talk. Nothing more. We can only believe this fight will happen when AJ says it's a done deal. I don't believe either are afraid of the other, can see why some people suspect it, but I guarantee AJ is smart enough to know what he is really up against there.

[Enlightened-One]

A bout between Wilder and Joshua only became a real-world possibility since the 5th November, 2017, because prior to that, both men were committed to facing their mandatory challengers.

Nobody from Team Wilder has ever submitted an offer to AJ. This fact is irrefutable in nature, which means that it’s not up for debate.

Eddie Hearn has met up with Shelly Finkel and Al Haymon this week to discuss another offer to Wilder (i.e. dates, venues etc. but no purse split was agreed). Once again, this is another irrefutable fact.

So therefore, no one can say that AJ is “ducking” Deontay Wilder, because it’s only the Brits' team that have made the effort to initiate contract negotiations with the American.

Um actually, people can say whatever they want, and it doesn't have to be based on yours or anyone else's criteria since that's never going to be the only way to determine who's doing what. A facade Hearn puts out there, any kind of contact or discussion, does not constitute anything real. He can literally tell you one thing and do another at any time, for any reason. They have all along wanted this fight at a much later date, yet you say they are the only ones to make an "offer". Well there's a huge contradiction right there. That offer would likely be lukewarm, not anything close to serious, and in reality a worthless offer. Something to talk about, click bait. Nothing real. Sounds very different than it actually is, and in no way clears either guy from suspicions. Joshua calls Wilder easy work, Hearn says 3 rounds. Yet they are looking in multiple other directions first, this little New York discussion about Wilder means what? Extremely little. Coffee talk. Nothing more. We can only believe this fight will happen when AJ says it's a done deal. I don't believe either are afraid of the other, can see why some people suspect it, but I guarantee AJ is smart enough to know what he is really up against there.

The information that I have conveyed has been corroborated by both sides of the negotiating table.

You might articulate some sort of unsubstantiated convoluted theory that accuses Eddie Hearn of lying, but that cannot be the case if the opposite camp confirms his claims.

[SFW]

You should read dude. Never said he was lying, said he easily could. You decide on your own what to believe and how significant or in this case insignificant it truly is. The whole point is, these meaningless conversations for show don't constitute anything. They are evidence that a few people met, nothing more. No real change happened, hence it was not anything close to what you seem to think it was.

[Enlightened-One]

You should read dude. Never said he was lying, said he easily could. You decide on your own what to believe and how significant or in this case insignificant it truly is. The whole point is, these meaningless conversations for show don't constitute anything. They are evidence that a few people met, nothing more. No real change happened, hence it was not anything close to what you seem to think it was.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but they are not entitled to their own facts.

All I did was articulate three facts that were corroborated by Team Wilder and Team Joshua.

It’s up to you how you interpret them.

Of course, if someone prematurely formulates unsubstantiated conspiracy theories that are clearly mutually-exclusive from the facts that we all know to be true, then they should expect someone to challenge their ideas accordingly.

Simply put: there is no evidence to justify any derogatory accusations of Anthony Joshua “ducking” Deontay Wilder.

[Ossyrules]

It's pretty sad the only real excuse people are coming up with is Wilder made no offer. Is everyone blind? AJ and Hearn hold all the cards, all of them. An offer from Wilder means absolutely nothing. Not even the paper it could be written on. Hearn can do or say anything too, the sheep just buy it regardless.

Another excuse is Wilder hasn't fought anybody. Yet your heroes Kell Brook and Ricky Hatton had not fought poo before they went on to prove their past competition meant nothing compared to what their capable of. Just like what Wilder can do. When it's your guy, the rules are different lol.

There is and always has been concern from the AJ side, because we've all seen him hurt, seen him gas out and look done. And they know Wilder is too dumb to care about all of the bullshit outside the ring he's a killer inside the ring. He's fast and powerful, more THAN ANY OF AJ's previous opponents simply a fact, had to use that line y'all use against Deontay constantly. Old Klitschko who had him out is laughably less dangerous sorry please check what year we all live in. If Klitschko came at Wilder like that, he's knocked out. Not handed a bullshit stoppage after barely surviving. Actually knocked out. This fight, when Joshua takes it since his word is the only thing that even kinda matters, is not gonna play out the way the fanboys here think it is.