Jackson: Jacobs Was a Cruiserweight, Had an 'Unfair Advantage'
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Jackson: Jacobs Was a Cruiserweight, Had an 'Unfair Advantage'
Daniel Jacobs’ weight gain following an official weigh-in became an issue again after his victory over Luis Arias.
John David Jackson, Arias’ trainer, took exception following Jacobs’ unanimous-decision victory Saturday night to what he called an “unfair advantage” for the former WBA middleweight champion. Jackson claimed Jacobs was a cruiserweight when he entered the ring for their 12-round fight at Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum, at least 10 pounds heavier than Arias.
According to Jackson, Jacobs weighed “180, 185 pounds,” whereas Arias was 170 pounds when their bout began. Jacobs weighed in at 159.6 pounds Friday, slightly lighter than Arias (160).
“I wasn’t worried so much about Daniel,” Jackson said during a post-fight press conference early Sunday morning. “Good fighter, very good fighter. I was concerned with the weight. And here’s the problem with boxing today – you’ve got all these sanctioning bodies, you know, they want all this money from these guys, but they don’t stick by the rules. And here’s why I’m saying that, and even the commission, I don’t care if they get mad or not. Here’s the problem – Danny weighed 159.6 yesterday. But he wouldn’t step on the scale today. Why? Because if you look at him, he’s about a cruiserweight and he’s a big boy.
“He won the fight. I’ve gotta give him that. But he was the bigger man. It wasn’t a fair fight.
Now when I was champion, we weighed in the same day. We didn’t get the next day to rehydrate and as a junior middleweight become a super middleweight or a light heavyweight. We stayed within our limit. We didn’t get an advantage. So if you can make the weight one day, but you can’t the second day, then you broke the rules. Why wouldn’t you weigh in the second day? Because you knew it was to your advantage to rehydrate to about 180, 185. That’s a cruiserweight. He looked bigger than Luis. He didn’t hit him with is best shot, but he hit him with a couple shots and didn’t even move him.”
The 30-year-old Jacobs (33-2, 29 KOs) didn’t break any New York State Athletic Commission rules by weighing whatever he weighed. There wasn’t a sanctioning body involved, either, because Jacobs-Arias was a non-title fight.
Jackson referred to the fact that Jacobs wouldn’t step on HBO’s scale on fight night.
Andre Rozier, Jacobs’ trainer, said he has “no idea” why Jacobs wouldn’t allow HBO to weigh him, but that he weighed Jacobs on Saturday and he was 171 pounds.
“They wouldn’t step on the scale,” Jackson said. “That’s what I’m saying. He won the fight, but guess what, he had an unfair advantage. He was bigger, and he knew that. And he used it to his advantage, and he won the fight. And I can’t take nothing away from him. But I will take the fact that you weren’t even a super middleweight. You weren’t even a light heavyweight. You were a cruiserweight, and I guarantee you were in that range. And when you’re fighting someone and he’s about 170 the most, it shows. And you’re the bigger guy, you can take his punch and you can walk him down. You can do things you that you’ve never done in other fights.”
John David Jackson, Arias’ trainer, took exception following Jacobs’ unanimous-decision victory Saturday night to what he called an “unfair advantage” for the former WBA middleweight champion. Jackson claimed Jacobs was a cruiserweight when he entered the ring for their 12-round fight at Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum, at least 10 pounds heavier than Arias.
According to Jackson, Jacobs weighed “180, 185 pounds,” whereas Arias was 170 pounds when their bout began. Jacobs weighed in at 159.6 pounds Friday, slightly lighter than Arias (160).
“I wasn’t worried so much about Daniel,” Jackson said during a post-fight press conference early Sunday morning. “Good fighter, very good fighter. I was concerned with the weight. And here’s the problem with boxing today – you’ve got all these sanctioning bodies, you know, they want all this money from these guys, but they don’t stick by the rules. And here’s why I’m saying that, and even the commission, I don’t care if they get mad or not. Here’s the problem – Danny weighed 159.6 yesterday. But he wouldn’t step on the scale today. Why? Because if you look at him, he’s about a cruiserweight and he’s a big boy.
“He won the fight. I’ve gotta give him that. But he was the bigger man. It wasn’t a fair fight.
Now when I was champion, we weighed in the same day. We didn’t get the next day to rehydrate and as a junior middleweight become a super middleweight or a light heavyweight. We stayed within our limit. We didn’t get an advantage. So if you can make the weight one day, but you can’t the second day, then you broke the rules. Why wouldn’t you weigh in the second day? Because you knew it was to your advantage to rehydrate to about 180, 185. That’s a cruiserweight. He looked bigger than Luis. He didn’t hit him with is best shot, but he hit him with a couple shots and didn’t even move him.”
The 30-year-old Jacobs (33-2, 29 KOs) didn’t break any New York State Athletic Commission rules by weighing whatever he weighed. There wasn’t a sanctioning body involved, either, because Jacobs-Arias was a non-title fight.
Jackson referred to the fact that Jacobs wouldn’t step on HBO’s scale on fight night.
Andre Rozier, Jacobs’ trainer, said he has “no idea” why Jacobs wouldn’t allow HBO to weigh him, but that he weighed Jacobs on Saturday and he was 171 pounds.
“They wouldn’t step on the scale,” Jackson said. “That’s what I’m saying. He won the fight, but guess what, he had an unfair advantage. He was bigger, and he knew that. And he used it to his advantage, and he won the fight. And I can’t take nothing away from him. But I will take the fact that you weren’t even a super middleweight. You weren’t even a light heavyweight. You were a cruiserweight, and I guarantee you were in that range. And when you’re fighting someone and he’s about 170 the most, it shows. And you’re the bigger guy, you can take his punch and you can walk him down. You can do things you that you’ve never done in other fights.”
Re: Jackson: Jacobs Was a Cruiserweight, Had an 'Unfair Advantage'
Sour grapes. He wouldn't have won no matter what the weight. I hate people that make excuses like that...especially when the opponent does things within the rules.
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Re: Jackson: Jacobs Was a Cruiserweight, Had an 'Unfair Advantage'
Without the 10-15 pound advantage, Jacobs would likely still won, but it would've been more competitive.
Re: Jackson: Jacobs Was a Cruiserweight, Had an 'Unfair Advantage'
Hey, the rules are the rules. If Jacobs can get down to a certain weight and then gain 30 lbs with it negatively affecting him.....more power to him. He's just doing what the rules allow him to do.
But that shouldnt be the rules.
But that shouldnt be the rules.
Re: Jackson: Jacobs Was a Cruiserweight, Had an 'Unfair Advantage'
If he weren't draining so hard chances are Jacobs might've been able to stop a guy like Arias. Gaining 30 pounds overnight ain't doing Jacobs no favors.boxing_rocks wrote: ↑12 Nov 2017, 19:45 Without the 10-15 pound advantage, Jacobs would likely still won, but it would've been more competitive.
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Weirdly enough, it looked like Arias had a harder time making weight. He looked like Skelator from the weigh-in pictures I saw. Jacobs did look huge that night, though. He also looked enormous against Golovkin. Always thought Jacobs would be at 168 lbs. sooner rather than later. Not sure how he's still making weight, but Jackson is being a douche here. Jacobs is still within the rules, and I do like that fighters drain. It adds another element to fights.
Look at Hurd and how he handled Trout. Fight would've been a lot different if it wasn't for Hurd being a damn buff LHW.
Look at Hurd and how he handled Trout. Fight would've been a lot different if it wasn't for Hurd being a damn buff LHW.
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Re: Jackson: Jacobs Was a Cruiserweight, Had an 'Unfair Advantage'
Why did they take the fight in the first place? Did they think Danny was suddenly going to become not huge? That fight sucked ass. The whole night pretty much did except for the UFC and Ramirez looks the part. The Showbox Main Event on Friday was one of the better fights I've seen this year.
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Re: Jackson: Jacobs Was a Cruiserweight, Had an 'Unfair Advantage'
SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 03:22That fight sucked ass. The whole night pretty much did except for the UFC...
I really don’t know why you even bother to follow the sport of boxing anymore?SaadOffTheDeck wrote: ↑30 Jul 2017, 07:45It's not even close anymore, the UFC shits all over boxing...
You’re incredibly negative about almost every aspect of the sport and you often express criticism about things, without having bothered to fact-check the justification for your hatred.
It’s a free world, I guess… but it does surprise me that you still contribute to this forum and continue to watch fights that you seem to genuinely detest.
Why don't you stick to following MMA/UFC and ignore boxing from now on?
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Re: Jackson: Jacobs Was a Cruiserweight, Had an 'Unfair Advantage'
why don't you go out and buy yourself the blowjob you so desperately need?Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 07:28 Why don't you stick to following MMA/UFC and ignore boxing from now on?
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Re: Jackson: Jacobs Was a Cruiserweight, Had an 'Unfair Advantage'
Why pay for a BJ when your mother does it for free?Counter-puncher wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 08:06why don't you go out and buy yourself the blowjob you so desperately need?Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 07:28 Why don't you stick to following MMA/UFC and ignore boxing from now on?
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Re: Jackson: Jacobs Was a Cruiserweight, Had an 'Unfair Advantage'
Re: Jackson: Jacobs Was a Cruiserweight, Had an 'Unfair Advantage'
They should go back to same day weigh in. The day before allows many fighters to fight in a class 0ne or two down from what they should fight. Today Hagler could fight as a Welter. I like Jacobs but he is at least a Light Heavy.Other than that skill wise Jacobs was a class above.
Re: Jackson: Jacobs Was a Cruiserweight, Had an 'Unfair Advantage'
..if that's in fact true what has been claimed, I consider it unacceptable..
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Re: Jackson: Jacobs Was a Cruiserweight, Had an 'Unfair Advantage'
He did a thorough online research on how to respond better about blowjob.
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Cruiserweight? Fvck off. Does Jackson think we're all idiots?
Some sweat off and regain more than others, not that much though.
Some sweat off and regain more than others, not that much though.
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Re: Jackson: Jacobs Was a Cruiserweight, Had an 'Unfair Advantage'
Jacobs is clearly bigger than almost all MWs. Here he is with Derevo and Khytrov:

The huge head may be a sign of PEDs abuse.

The huge head may be a sign of PEDs abuse.
Re: Jackson: Jacobs Was a Cruiserweight, Had an 'Unfair Advantage'
Problem could be solved with a return to same day weigh ins. If they don't wanna solve it, get used to guys having the "Unfair Advantage" that isn't really an advantage.
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Re: Jackson: Jacobs Was a Cruiserweight, Had an 'Unfair Advantage'
It is an advantage if you don't want want to get knocked out. On the other hand it does little for your speed and even less for your stamina. See Canelo v GGG or Canelo v Mayweather.
The extra weight probably does nothing for punch power as the 24 hours is not long enough for the body to adapt. As someone said it's just another tactic to consider.
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Re: Jackson: Jacobs Was a Cruiserweight, Had an 'Unfair Advantage'
Boxers who get professional help for cutting and then gaining weight are certainly doing better in terms of body adapting quickly. A good bigger boxer always beats a good smaller boxer.
Re: Jackson: Jacobs Was a Cruiserweight, Had an 'Unfair Advantage'
..the weight categories are there for a reason..and for a good one at that..
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Yeah. The detriments to your speed and stamina, and the fact that there's just no way in hell you can have been THAT dehydrated only 24 hours before, and be healthy make it seem like a so called "advantage" that's definitely not worthwhile in my estimation. If I were a trainer I'd advise against it.Thomastearns wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 13:51It is an advantage if you don't want want to get knocked out. On the other hand it does little for your speed and even less for your stamina. See Canelo v GGG or Canelo v Mayweather.
The extra weight probably does nothing for punch power as the 24 hours is not long enough for the body to adapt. As someone said it's just another tactic to consider.
Re: Jackson: Jacobs Was a Cruiserweight, Had an 'Unfair Advantage'
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 08:24Why pay for a BJ when your mother does it for free?Counter-puncher wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 08:06why don't you go out and buy yourself the blowjob you so desperately need?Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Nov 2017, 07:28 Why don't you stick to following MMA/UFC and ignore boxing from now on?![]()
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Re: Jackson: Jacobs Was a Cruiserweight, Had an 'Unfair Advantage'
Its a joke fighter's should not be getting unfair advantage's boxing is about fighting people your own size. 
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Manager: Jacobs Was 172, 173 Against Arias; Jackson a Bitter Man!
Daniel Jacobs’ manager has refuted trainer John David Jackson’s claims that Jacobs weighed “180, 185” pounds and as a cruiserweight had an unfair advantage over Luis Arias in their middleweight fight Saturday night.
“Danny made the 160-pound weight limit fair and square at the official weigh-in,” Connolly told BS.com. “There was no deal in place for a second-day weigh-in, just as there wasn’t for every other fighter on the card. And Danny was no heavier than 172, 173 at fight time.”
“As far as John David Jackson’s comments, I’m not surprised,” Connolly said. “He disrespected Danny the entire promotion. Then his fighter ran and held the entire time. His fighter got completely shut out and now is coming up with the lame excuse of a blister.
“Jackson has become a bitter man because [Sergey] Kovalev left him and Arias has now become a footnote. [Jackson] has nothing left.”
“Danny made the 160-pound weight limit fair and square at the official weigh-in,” Connolly told BS.com. “There was no deal in place for a second-day weigh-in, just as there wasn’t for every other fighter on the card. And Danny was no heavier than 172, 173 at fight time.”
“As far as John David Jackson’s comments, I’m not surprised,” Connolly said. “He disrespected Danny the entire promotion. Then his fighter ran and held the entire time. His fighter got completely shut out and now is coming up with the lame excuse of a blister.
“Jackson has become a bitter man because [Sergey] Kovalev left him and Arias has now become a footnote. [Jackson] has nothing left.”
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...I don't buy it, it's not the first time Jacobs weighs a lot more than his opponent. There's a reason why he skipped a second-day weigh-in..Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑14 Nov 2017, 12:10 Daniel Jacobs’ manager has refuted trainer John David Jackson’s claims that Jacobs weighed “180, 185” pounds and as a cruiserweight had an unfair advantage over Luis Arias in their middleweight fight Saturday night.
“Danny made the 160-pound weight limit fair and square at the official weigh-in,” Connolly told BS.com. “There was no deal in place for a second-day weigh-in, just as there wasn’t for every other fighter on the card. And Danny was no heavier than 172, 173 at fight time.”
“As far as John David Jackson’s comments, I’m not surprised,” Connolly said. “He disrespected Danny the entire promotion. Then his fighter ran and held the entire time. His fighter got completely shut out and now is coming up with the lame excuse of a blister.
“Jackson has become a bitter man because [Sergey] Kovalev left him and Arias has now become a footnote. [Jackson] has nothing left.”