Can Joshua's Appeal Survive the Wilder Ducking? It's Getting Bad.

[ElJefe]

I'm not a Hearn/AJ fan boy but I've got to side with them on this one. When exactly did Joshua duck Wilder? When he was fighting former 10 year champion Wladimir Klitschko to unify the division? When he agreed to fight his IBF mandatory in Kubrat Pulev? When he fought Carlos Takam instead to fulfil the mandatory obligation when Pulev pulled out? Or in the, what, 3 weeks(?) between fighting Takam and opening negotiations with Wilder's team?

I'm struggling to see where on the timeline Joshua can really be accused of ducking Wilder? Worth remembering that a fight with Wilder wouldn't have taken precedent over the IBF mandatory as he already had an exception so he could jump into fighting Wlad in his 19th fight.

[Badhusker]

A bout between Wilder and Joshua only became a real-world possibility since the 5th November, 2017, because prior to that, both men were committed to facing their mandatory challengers.

Nobody from Team Wilder has ever submitted an offer to AJ. This fact is irrefutable in nature, which means that it’s not up for debate.

Eddie Hearn has met up with Shelly Finkel and Al Haymon this week to discuss another offer to Wilder (i.e. dates, venues etc. but no purse split was agreed). Once again, this is another irrefutable fact.

So therefore, no one can say that AJ is “ducking” Deontay Wilder, because it’s only the Brits' team that have made the effort to initiate contract negotiations with the American.

Um actually, people can say whatever they want, and it doesn't have to be based on yours or anyone else's criteria since that's never going to be the only way to determine who's doing what. A facade Hearn puts out there, any kind of contact or discussion, does not constitute anything real. He can literally tell you one thing and do another at any time, for any reason. They have all along wanted this fight at a much later date, yet you say they are the only ones to make an "offer". Well there's a huge contradiction right there. That offer would likely be lukewarm, not anything close to serious, and in reality a worthless offer. Something to talk about, click bait. Nothing real. Sounds very different than it actually is, and in no way clears either guy from suspicions. Joshua calls Wilder easy work, Hearn says 3 rounds. Yet they are looking in multiple other directions first, this little New York discussion about Wilder means what? Extremely little. Coffee talk. Nothing more. We can only believe this fight will happen when AJ says it's a done deal. I don't believe either are afraid of the other, can see why some people suspect it, but I guarantee AJ is smart enough to know what he is really up against there.

The information that I have conveyed has been corroborated by both sides of the negotiating table.

You might articulate some sort of unsubstantiated convoluted theory that accuses Eddie Hearn of lying, but that cannot be the case if the opposite camp confirms his claims.

EO, are you and Ossyrules the same person, or just say some of the same dumb shitt? Hearn, nor any of team Joshua have made any offer to Wilder, and Hearn has recently said that. You mention he went to the states to make another offer? I hope you mean besides the Dylan Whyte offer. Ossyrules claimed team Joshua was the only one that made Wilder an offer to fight Joshua, which is a lie. Neither team have made any offers. Hearn going to the US to get the ball rolling is as far as it has went so far.
It is obvious they don't want the Wilder fight next, but public pressure is forcing them to get it done sooner than they want. Probably happen next summer. I don't think Joshua has ducked anyone. He could have fought Wilder after Wlad, like Hearn promised, but Hearn is doing what his job is, and that is to make as much $$$ possible, and to do that he needs to milk the cow. Mandatories don't mean squat if you are unifying. Hearn and Joshua both said after beating Wlad that sometimes you have to lose belts to give the best fights to the fans. Them saying they HAD to take the Pulev fight wasn't entirely true.

[Enlightened-One]

Um actually, people can say whatever they want, and it doesn't have to be based on yours or anyone else's criteria since that's never going to be the only way to determine who's doing what. A facade Hearn puts out there, any kind of contact or discussion, does not constitute anything real. He can literally tell you one thing and do another at any time, for any reason. They have all along wanted this fight at a much later date, yet you say they are the only ones to make an "offer". Well there's a huge contradiction right there. That offer would likely be lukewarm, not anything close to serious, and in reality a worthless offer. Something to talk about, click bait. Nothing real. Sounds very different than it actually is, and in no way clears either guy from suspicions. Joshua calls Wilder easy work, Hearn says 3 rounds. Yet they are looking in multiple other directions first, this little New York discussion about Wilder means what? Extremely little. Coffee talk. Nothing more. We can only believe this fight will happen when AJ says it's a done deal. I don't believe either are afraid of the other, can see why some people suspect it, but I guarantee AJ is smart enough to know what he is really up against there.

The information that I have conveyed has been corroborated by both sides of the negotiating table.

You might articulate some sort of unsubstantiated convoluted theory that accuses Eddie Hearn of lying, but that cannot be the case if the opposite camp confirms his claims.

EO, are you and Ossyrules the same person, or just say some of the same dumb shitt? Hearn, nor any of team Joshua have made any offer to Wilder, and Hearn has recently said that. You mention he went to the states to make another offer? I hope you mean besides the Dylan Whyte offer. Ossyrules claimed team Joshua was the only one that made Wilder an offer to fight Joshua, which is a lie. Neither team have made any offers. Hearn going to the US to get the ball rolling is as far as it has went so far.
It is obvious they don't want the Wilder fight next, but public pressure is forcing them to get it done sooner than they want. Probably happen next summer. I don't think Joshua has ducked anyone. He could have fought Wilder after Wlad, like Hearn promised, but Hearn is doing what his job is, and that is to make as much $$$ possible, and to do that he needs to milk the cow. Mandatories don't mean squat if you are unifying. Hearn and Joshua both said after beating Wlad that sometimes you have to lose belts to give the best fights to the fans. Them saying they HAD to take the Pulev fight wasn't entirely true.

Please read what I've written and attack my actual words.

I am happy to defend my actual stance, not a misrepresented version of it.

[Badhusker]

A bout between Wilder and Joshua only became a real-world possibility since the 5th November, 2017, because prior to that, both men were committed to facing their mandatory challengers.

Nobody from Team Wilder has ever submitted an offer to AJ. This fact is irrefutable in nature, which means that it’s not up for debate.

Eddie Hearn has met up with Shelly Finkel and Al Haymon this week to discuss another offer to Wilder (i.e. dates, venues etc. but no purse split was agreed). Once again, this is another irrefutable fact.

So therefore, no one can say that AJ is “ducking” Deontay Wilder, because it’s only the Brits' team that have made the effort to initiate contract negotiations with the American.

Another offer? That is news even to Eddie Hearn.

[Kalan]

It's pretty sad the only real excuse people are coming up with is Wilder made no offer. Is everyone blind? AJ and Hearn hold all the cards, all of them. An offer from Wilder means absolutely nothing. Not even the paper it could be written on. Hearn can do or say anything too, the sheep just buy it regardless.

Another excuse is Wilder hasn't fought anybody. Yet your heroes Kell Brook and Ricky Hatton had not fought poo before they went on to prove their past competition meant nothing compared to what their capable of. Just like what Wilder can do. When it's your guy, the rules are different lol.

There is and always has been concern from the AJ side, because we've all seen him hurt, seen him gas out and look done. And they know Wilder is too dumb to care about all of the bullshit outside the ring he's a killer inside the ring. He's fast and powerful, more THAN ANY OF AJ's previous opponents simply a fact, had to use that line y'all use against Deontay constantly. Old Klitschko who had him out is laughably less dangerous sorry please check what year we all live in. If Klitschko came at Wilder like that, he's knocked out. Not handed a bullshit stoppage after barely surviving. Actually knocked out. This fight, when Joshua takes it since his word is the only thing that even kinda matters, is not gonna play out the way the fanboys here think it is.

That's a pile of nonsense... Wilder needs to fight a live body... He lost the first 4 rounds to Gerald Washington and lost rounds to Szpilka, Duhaupas, and even Molina.. He is not a real skilled boxer... AJ never came close to losing a round to Molina and would get rid of Szpilka and Duhaupas in a couple rounds each.. Those match-ups would be absurd.. Wilder got beaten up and his left eye almost closed from super slow overhand rights by Duhaupas.. Povetkin ran over Duhaupas like he wasn't even there and flattened him for the full count..

There was absolutely no reason for Wilder not to go through with the Povetkin fight.. the WADA/VADA "investigations" revealed exactly what every one of the PED tests for that fight revealed.. That Povetkin passed ALL his tests leading up to Wilder-Povetkin.

There was absolutely no reason for Wilder not to go through with the Ortiz fight.. The guy who started VADA said the forms were written in French and English to confuse Ortiz and his people.. The ingredients were listed under different names on Ortiz's prescription bottle and VADA's banned list -- where it just had been added as a so called "masking agent." Ortiz offered to pay for an expensive hair sample test to prove he wasn't masking anything in his urine.. For these reasons the founder of VADA said the Wilder-Ortiz fight should go forward and be fought.. The WBC wouldn't listen.. Why do you think Stiverne was their mandatory??? His people paid them off.

[Badhusker]

Ortiz got caught because either he or his team were too stupid to write down the drugs he was taking. To blame Wilder is even more stupid. Wilder offered to go through with it if WBC allowed.
Hair sample? How far back can you go if your hair is 1\8th of an inch long? Ffs ...

[Enlightened-One]

A bout between Wilder and Joshua only became a real-world possibility since the 5th November, 2017, because prior to that, both men were committed to facing their mandatory challengers.

Nobody from Team Wilder has ever submitted an offer to AJ. This fact is irrefutable in nature, which means that it’s not up for debate.

Eddie Hearn has met up with Shelly Finkel and Al Haymon this week to discuss another offer to Wilder (i.e. dates, venues etc. but no purse split was agreed). Once again, this is another irrefutable fact.

So therefore, no one can say that AJ is “ducking” Deontay Wilder, because it’s only the Brits' team that have made the effort to initiate contract negotiations with the American.

Another offer? That is news even to Eddie Hearn.

Eddie Hearn has made more than one attempt recently to get Deontay Wilder to face a Matchroom fighter, with Anthony Joshua’s name mentioned during at least two sets of discussions.

[Badhusker]

A bout between Wilder and Joshua only became a real-world possibility since the 5th November, 2017, because prior to that, both men were committed to facing their mandatory challengers.

Nobody from Team Wilder has ever submitted an offer to AJ. This fact is irrefutable in nature, which means that it’s not up for debate.

Eddie Hearn has met up with Shelly Finkel and Al Haymon this week to discuss another offer to Wilder (i.e. dates, venues etc. but no purse split was agreed). Once again, this is another irrefutable fact.

So therefore, no one can say that AJ is “ducking” Deontay Wilder, because it’s only the Brits' team that have made the effort to initiate contract negotiations with the American.

Another offer? That is news even to Eddie Hearn.

Eddie Hearn has made more than one attempt recently to get Deontay Wilder to face a Matchroom fighter, with Anthony Joshua’s name mentioned during at least two sets of discussions.

I'm wasting my time apparently. Hearn has made no offer to Wilder yet to fight Joshua. That is what I am disputing.

[Enlightened-One]

Another offer? That is news even to Eddie Hearn.

Eddie Hearn has made more than one attempt recently to get Deontay Wilder to face a Matchroom fighter, with Anthony Joshua’s name mentioned during at least two sets of discussions.

I'm wasting my time apparently. Hearn has made no offer to Wilder yet to fight Joshua. That is what I am disputing.

I don’t know what you deem to be an “official formal” offer and it's not something I would even consider debating, since fight fans aren’t privy to that sort of contractual information, but Eddie Hearn did discuss the terms of a potential bout between Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder this week.

The face-to-face talks between Eddie Hearn, Shelly Finkel and Al Haymon apparently went well, but the purse split wasn’t agreed upon, which is the biggest stumbling block. I’ve seen the Matchroom boss state that a 50-50 purse split isn’t feasible, which is what has been reported as Team Wilder’s demands.

It seems that they were proposing the idea of Joshua/Wilder competing on the same date in March (obviously against different opponents and possibly staged at different venues), to help sell the fight, followed by a summer showdown between the pair.

For sure, the talks are at an early stage, but you can’t say that Eddie Hearn hasn’t initiated contact with Deontay’s people to stage a potential bout between AJ and Wilder… whether you regard these discussions as an “offer” or not isn’t something that I’m willing to argue over.

[Badhusker]

Eddie Hearn has made more than one attempt recently to get Deontay Wilder to face a Matchroom fighter, with Anthony Joshua’s name mentioned during at least two sets of discussions.

I'm wasting my time apparently. Hearn has made no offer to Wilder yet to fight Joshua. That is what I am disputing.

I don’t know what you deem to be an “official formal” offer and it's not something I would even consider debating, since fight fans aren’t privy to that sort of contractual information, but Eddie Hearn did discuss the terms of a potential bout between Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder this week.

The face-to-face talks between Eddie Hearn, Shelly Finkel and Al Haymon apparently went well, but the purse split wasn’t agreed upon, which is the biggest stumbling block. I’ve seen the Matchroom boss state that a 50-50 purse split isn’t feasible, which is what has been reported as Team Wilder’s demands.

It seems that they were proposing the idea of Joshua/Wilder competing on the same date in March (obviously against different opponents and possibly staged at different venues), to help sell the fight, followed by a summer showdown between the pair.

For sure, the talks are at an early stage, but you can’t say that Eddie Hearn hasn’t initiated contact with Deontay’s people to stage a potential bout between AJ and Wilder.

I never said he hasn't initiated talks. I said there was not an offer yet. I guess you cannot read plain English. Holy fornicate you are dense. Read what I wrote if you can. I didn't expect you or your brother Ossyrules to admit you were wrong. Carry on with your meaningless babble.

[Enlightened-One]

I'm wasting my time apparently. Hearn has made no offer to Wilder yet to fight Joshua. That is what I am disputing.

I don’t know what you deem to be an “official formal” offer and it's not something I would even consider debating, since fight fans aren’t privy to that sort of contractual information, but Eddie Hearn did discuss the terms of a potential bout between Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder this week.

The face-to-face talks between Eddie Hearn, Shelly Finkel and Al Haymon apparently went well, but the purse split wasn’t agreed upon, which is the biggest stumbling block. I’ve seen the Matchroom boss state that a 50-50 purse split isn’t feasible, which is what has been reported as Team Wilder’s demands.

It seems that they were proposing the idea of Joshua/Wilder competing on the same date in March (obviously against different opponents and possibly staged at different venues), to help sell the fight, followed by a summer showdown between the pair.

For sure, the talks are at an early stage, but you can’t say that Eddie Hearn hasn’t initiated contact with Deontay’s people to stage a potential bout between AJ and Wilder.

I never said he hasn't initiated talks. I said there was not an offer yet. I guess you cannot read plain English. Holy eff you are dense. Read what I wrote if you can. I didn't expect you... to admit you were wrong. Carry on with your meaningless babble.

I’m not going to debate on the legal status of verbal offers being considered as a “formal offer” or not, since you have your own definition of the term that you haven’t articulated yet.

From what I’ve Googled, from a UK perspective (in a lot of cases), the law considers the acceptance of a verbal offer as legally binding, since a verbal agreement establishes a legal relationship.

Simply put: Eddie Hearn proposed terms to Team Wilder during face-to-face discussions, but they couldn’t agree to everything, but the talks are supposedly continuing. Everything I've said is correct!

It’s as simple as that really. If you want to throw more insults at me for quoting facts, then please feel free.

[Cyclops]

Up until he won the WBC way back when Wilder was a spastic windmill with no skills and a paper thing resume. After winning the title he had had fought dregs and no names and managed, either unfortunately or miraculously, depending on how cynical you are, to avoid any decent challenge. He's also looked shite in those fights before KOing his overmatched opponents as he was always supposed to in the first place.

Joshua on the other hand, media trained and overhyped as he is, as managed to fight two very good fighters in Wlad and Takam, both much better than Wilder's ropey opposition. Wilder wants the payday and is making noise: it's working. To those that say the casuals in the U.K. don't know who he is: they do, and they have been asking me about it him. It's a really big fight. It should be Wembley next summer and I think that's when it will be. I see Joseph Parker up next, as he has shite leverage other than he has a belt and will be happy to just get in the ring without any mental diva demands, and then Wilder when it's nice and built 90,000 at Wembley. If DW knocks him out, and he may do, then next will be the contracted rematch. Maybe a trilogy?

Fury in 2019, which could end up also being a series, then
Usyk.

If the train hasn't been derailed by then, then it's be Joyce and Dubois and Gorman and Miller and Hergovic and Yoka and all the new boys queuing up for a slice of th pie. AJ's 0 will go before then, probably. But good: it should. Proper fighters lose. We all know what.

The buture's bright.

[Badhusker]

I don’t know what you deem to be an “official formal” offer and it's not something I would even consider debating, since fight fans aren’t privy to that sort of contractual information, but Eddie Hearn did discuss the terms of a potential bout between Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder this week.

The face-to-face talks between Eddie Hearn, Shelly Finkel and Al Haymon apparently went well, but the purse split wasn’t agreed upon, which is the biggest stumbling block. I’ve seen the Matchroom boss state that a 50-50 purse split isn’t feasible, which is what has been reported as Team Wilder’s demands.

It seems that they were proposing the idea of Joshua/Wilder competing on the same date in March (obviously against different opponents and possibly staged at different venues), to help sell the fight, followed by a summer showdown between the pair.

For sure, the talks are at an early stage, but you can’t say that Eddie Hearn hasn’t initiated contact with Deontay’s people to stage a potential bout between AJ and Wilder.

I never said he hasn't initiated talks. I said there was not an offer yet. I guess you cannot read plain English. Holy eff you are dense. Read what I wrote if you can. I didn't expect you... to admit you were wrong. Carry on with your meaningless babble.

I’m not going to debate on the legal status of verbal offers being considered as a “formal offer” or not, since you have your own definition of the term that you haven’t articulated yet.

From what I’ve Googled, from a UK perspective (in a lot of cases), the law considers the acceptance of a verbal offer as legally binding, since a verbal agreement establishes a legal relationship.

Simply put: Eddie Hearn proposed terms to Team Wilder during face-to-face discussions, but they couldn’t agree to everything, but the talks are supposedly continuing. Everything I've said is correct!

It’s as simple as that really. If you want to throw more insults at me for quoting facts, then please feel free.

Are fornicating kidding me? Omfg. MODS ban this Fucktard or ban me. Jesusfuckingchrist. If trolls are allowed here like him, I am gone.

[skinnysteve]

birdlegs windmilling punching style will allow him to unload multiple right hands on the unprotected jaw of the bodybuilder/beachboy/underwear salesman

[Ossyrules]

I never said he hasn't initiated talks. I said there was not an offer yet. I guess you cannot read plain English. Holy eff you are dense. Read what I wrote if you can. I didn't expect you... to admit you were wrong. Carry on with your meaningless babble.

I’m not going to debate on the legal status of verbal offers being considered as a “formal offer” or not, since you have your own definition of the term that you haven’t articulated yet.

From what I’ve Googled, from a UK perspective (in a lot of cases), the law considers the acceptance of a verbal offer as legally binding, since a verbal agreement establishes a legal relationship.

Simply put: Eddie Hearn proposed terms to Team Wilder during face-to-face discussions, but they couldn’t agree to everything, but the talks are supposedly continuing. Everything I've said is correct!

It’s as simple as that really. If you want to throw more insults at me for quoting facts, then please feel free.

Are effing kidding me? Omfg. MODS ban this Fucktard or ban me. Jesusfuckingchrist. If trolls are allowed here like him, I am gone.

Do us all a favour and go then! You’ve admitted you’re biased toward wilder so I don’t know why anybody takes what you say seriously! I’d rather read asjklhl’s shite than what you drum up

[caldo2025]

I’m not going to debate on the legal status of verbal offers being considered as a “formal offer” or not, since you have your own definition of the term that you haven’t articulated yet.

From what I’ve Googled, from a UK perspective (in a lot of cases), the law considers the acceptance of a verbal offer as legally binding, since a verbal agreement establishes a legal relationship.

Simply put: Eddie Hearn proposed terms to Team Wilder during face-to-face discussions, but they couldn’t agree to everything, but the talks are supposedly continuing. Everything I've said is correct!

It’s as simple as that really. If you want to throw more insults at me for quoting facts, then please feel free.

Are effing kidding me? Omfg. MODS ban this Fucktard or ban me. Jesusfuckingchrist. If trolls are allowed here like him, I am gone.

Do us all a favour and go then! You’ve admitted you’re biased toward wilder so I don’t know why anybody takes what you say seriously! I’d rather read asjklhl’s shite than what you drum up

I disagree completely. Badhusker and I could disagree on any and everything including the weather but he's entertaining and smart no matter how wrong i think he is. EO has never been wrong in his life and he's a broken freaking record...cut and paste...cut and paste...3 books later, it's just the same old blah blah blah. The site's better with Badhusker in it...can't say that about EO and his little brother.

[Ossyrules]

Couldn’t turn down an opportunity of him threatening to leave. One less biased facker on the site at least

[gilgamesh]

Are effing kidding me? Omfg. MODS ban this Fucktard or ban me. Jesusfuckingchrist. If trolls are allowed here like him, I am gone.

Do us all a favour and go then! You’ve admitted you’re biased toward wilder so I don’t know why anybody takes what you say seriously! I’d rather read asjklhl’s shite than what you drum up

I disagree completely. Badhusker and I could disagree on any and everything including the weather but he's entertaining and smart no matter how wrong i think he is. EO has never been wrong in his life and he's a broken freaking record...cut and paste...cut and paste...3 books later, it's just the same old blah blah blah. The site's better with Badhusker in it...can't say that about EO and his little brother.

Enlightened-One or Badhusker have done nothing to be banned.

Just because somebody annoys you doesn't mean they deserve to be banned, and for the record this is coming from a guy who scrolls past E-O's long winded ramblings pretty much every time.

[asdfjkl]

Ortiz got caught because either he or his team were too stupid to write down the drugs he was taking. To blame Wilder is even more stupid. Wilder offered to go through with it if WBC allowed.
Hair sample? How far back can you go if your hair is 1\8th of an inch long? Ffs ...

Yea, and on the background he says to the WBC "don't allow him! I can't handle him!".
You don't know how long his hair in his pants is! Or do you?
He probably had some hair under his shoulders as well, so it's a weak excuse to say his hair is short.
Also, even if he used something like well over a month ago, is Wilder really that scared?

[KiwiRider]

Ortiz got caught because either he or his team were too stupid to write down the drugs he was taking. To blame Wilder is even more stupid. Wilder offered to go through with it if WBC allowed.
Hair sample? How far back can you go if your hair is 1\8th of an inch long? Ffs ...

What Wilder says, and what he does, are not always the same. And that's being diplomatic to say the least.

[Kalan]

Ortiz got caught because either he or his team were too stupid to write down the drugs he was taking. To blame Wilder is even more stupid. Wilder offered to go through with it if WBC allowed.
Hair sample? How far back can you go if your hair is 1\8th of an inch long? Ffs ...

What Wilder says, and what he does, are not always the same. And that's being diplomatic to say the least.

You have genital hair and body hair that's been there for a long time... Besides that I believe they do the follicle, not the actual hair... It's many times more conclusive than a piss test, but also much more expensive... Ortiz was willing to foot the bill for the tests to get the Wilder fight...
http://drugtesttips.com/does-steroid-us ... cle-tests/

[Stuarty]

A couple of things are pretty obvious even to someone as dumb as me. One is that Anthony Joshua is THE hottest boxer on this planet right now and it's scary what his future potential marketability is not only to Boxing but all sports. Boxing hasn't seen someone like Joshua come around in...perhaps ever. The looks. The eloquence. The physique. The power. The smile. Watching Boxing as long as i have, I consider it to be like catching bigfoot in a net one day. That's what Hearn has...Boxing's bigfoot. It's a blessing and a curse though because now it's on Hearn to get the most return possible for a once in a lifetime talent like Joshua.

Deontay Wilder called out AJ over Instagram again yesterday and I expect that we'll get these daily until Hearn finally makes his latest statement. It's a horrible situation for Hearn because I believe that Joshua's appeal is going to take a serious hit if he doesn't accept this challenge from Wilder. Obviously, there's too much risk versus reward taking a fight with Wilder when all things are equal but Wilder is making it impossible for them to navigate around him. Similar to how fans turned on Canelo and forced the fight with GGG, I can't see the Brits heavily backing a coward for long and still pack the house for his fights. I'm thinking ready or not, Joshua has to take this fight now. But what if he doesn't? What effect do you think this will have on Joshua? You Brits, how would you feel about this?

One thing is definitely certain, Hearn is losing sleep over this one.

I can't believe this is a real thread AJ fights Wlad but must be ducking Wilder? And apparently it's obvious? I must be a pure knob and I need my fat head examined