PBF VS JUDAH - RESULT...

johnswan1 · Post by **johnswan1** » 10 Apr 2006, 06:21

jamesmcdonnell wrote:
Mattyp151 wrote:
boxerrob2005 wrote:i thought mayweather was going to be dq but glad he wasnt because he was winning the fight easily. barrea got dq against junior jones when his corner entered the ring just before the end of round 5, although i think they were pulling him out anyways because he was being pounded.
it looked as if we were going to have a repeat of bowe-golota riot but the police did a good job in cooling it off quickly before anyone else joined in.
If they do rule a DQ, Boxing will do itself no favors. Where was Floyd during the whole melee? In the corner to start, and then you don't see him anywhere in the fight. You're going to even contemplate DQing Floyd for doing what he was supposed to? Ban, fine, suspend Roger in Vegas or anywhere else, but to penalize Floyd for something he didn't even get involved in would be foolish. Boxing doesn't need another black mark.
This may be true, but the rules governing boxing are pretty specific in that the cornermen may not enter the ring during the round.

I don't think they will declare it a DQ (which the ref or ringside officials should have done immediately), but they should definetly ban floyd Sr for a while.

I read this morning on Max Boxing that Marc Ratner, long-time executive director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission told them he looked up the regulation and confirmed that in situations like the one on Saturday night, the ruling is discretionary, so there is no automatic disqualification.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 10 Apr 2006, 06:35

Which I think is blatantly bollocks......as said in the piece, if that had been Zab he would have been DQ'd.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 10 Apr 2006, 06:37

lirva33 wrote:
liamlion wrote:I think Mayweather would cut Hatton to ribbons. Hatton is very open, his defence is his face. Whilst Mayweather is the king of ringmanship.

However if there was one style to beat Mayweather it would be to maraud, hussle and ultimately bully him. Hatton is currently the best in boxing at fighting in such a manner.
Actually that's not the style to beat Floyd. He can mix it and beat those guys as he has shown.

The style to beat him is a tall fighter with a good jab who has power and a chin and skills....

Vernon Forest.

It's similar to Roy vs Tarver or Mosley vs Forrest. Now, both were on the slide but that tall compact defence coupled with power and solid skills and a chin is the recipy to beat Floyd as well. Forrest can lead and can counter and has every punch in the book. Other than him, I'd take Floyd over most, Mayorga, Mosley, DLH, Boldomir, Margarito etc.

I can't say the same for Hatton.

Forrest is a good call, size, power, excellent jab, but who would bet against Floyd finding a way to win?

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 10 Apr 2006, 07:17

After seeing PBF-Charvez and Castillo I'd say the bigger Hatton may have the style to win a UD but only just, all this talk of Hatton stopping PBF late is bollox. I'd still back PBF though

Phenomenal-Nutrition · Post by **Phenomenal-Nutrition** » 10 Apr 2006, 07:18

After seeing PBF-Charvez and Castillo I'd say the bigger Hatton may have the best style to win a UD but only just, all this talk of Hatton stopping PBF late is bollox. I'd still back PBF though

johnswan1 · Post by **johnswan1** » 10 Apr 2006, 07:49

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:After seeing PBF-Charvez and Castillo I'd say the bigger Hatton may have the best style to win a UD but only just, all this talk of Hatton stopping PBF late is bollox. I'd still back PBF though

If I see you write "Charvez" one more time I think I will cry.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 10 Apr 2006, 09:52

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Bad fart/shit time!

Couldn't resist that.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 10 Apr 2006, 09:53

I hope ppl won't start saying that Mayweather would beat prime Tszyu

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 10 Apr 2006, 09:55

He'd hardly hurt Tszyu.

Make it tough with his skills but wouldn't have the power to hurt Tszyu.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 10 Apr 2006, 10:00

Terence wrote:I'm a huge PBF fan, very talented and a lovely fighter to watch. On the other hand it is a bit sad to see him cherry picking his way through the weights avoiding the really big fights. When he retires which weight will he be defined in?

super feather, as he was one of history's best at that weight

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 10 Apr 2006, 10:21

Mayweather wouldn't have to hurt Tszyu though, I think he could just outbox him, because Tszyu was always flat footed.

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 10 Apr 2006, 10:34

If you look at Floyd's record, he's never carried great power. Of his 24 KO's, 4 were true KO's, and I'll give him knocking down Corrales 5 times as an impressive show of power. But, he has never pushed himself as a KO guy, and has shown he can win fights without KOing the world. I think Tszyu would struggle with Floyd's speed, as he did with Judah in round 1. Had Judah kept up that fight vs Tszyu the way he fought round 1, we'd be talking about a huge upset by Floyd this past weekend. I see Floyd following a similar gameplan, except being able to follow through for an entire fight.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 10 Apr 2006, 10:48

Precisely, Pernell Whittaker didn't have a lot of power, but it didn't stop him toying with Chavez.

I think Mayweather is deceptively strong, not as much brute strength as Tszyu or Hatton, but very good elastic strength and effective use of athleticism. Having a fighting brain like Mayweather's offsets physical advantages in any case. What would Hatton do when his plan to crowd and pressure Mayweather was met with rapid counters which jerked his head back repeatedly, what would his plan B be? Hatton is effective at what he does, but nowhere near as versatile as his hero Roberto Duran was.

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 10 Apr 2006, 12:36

viciousmaussa wrote:I hope ppl won't start saying that Mayweather would beat prime Tszyu

Oh come on! Mayweather is a different class to Tszyu...

silkov · Post by **silkov** » 10 Apr 2006, 12:39

Terence wrote:I'm a huge PBF fan, very talented and a lovely fighter to watch. On the other hand it is a bit sad to see him cherry picking his way through the weights avoiding the really big fights. When he retires which weight will he be defined in?

If fighting just about the best fighters at each division is cherry picking I wish more fighters did it... Mayweather tried to get Hatton at 140 but Hatton wasn't interested...

liamlion · Post by **liamlion** » 10 Apr 2006, 13:17

lirva33 wrote:
liamlion wrote:I think Mayweather would cut Hatton to ribbons. Hatton is very open, his defence is his face. Whilst Mayweather is the king of ringmanship.

However if there was one style to beat Mayweather it would be to maraud, hussle and ultimately bully him. Hatton is currently the best in boxing at fighting in such a manner.
Actually that's not the style to beat Floyd. He can mix it and beat those guys as he has shown.

The style to beat him is a tall fighter with a good jab who has power and a chin and skills....

Vernon Forest.

It's similar to Roy vs Tarver or Mosley vs Forrest. Now, both were on the slide but that tall compact defence coupled with power and solid skills and a chin is the recipy to beat Floyd as well. Forrest can lead and can counter and has every punch in the book. Other than him, I'd take Floyd over most, Mayorga, Mosley, DLH, Boldomir, Margarito etc.

I can't say the same for Hatton.

Corrales effectively fits the criteria of "a tall fighter with a good jab who has power..." and he got smashed to fook by Mayweather. I cant see anyone outboxing Mayweather - he is the master of ringmanship. Forrest looked great against Mosely, but how many years ago was that? Mayorga smashed him bad in their first fight and at present Forrest has no recent form to speak of.

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 10 Apr 2006, 14:03

liamlion wrote:
lirva33 wrote:
liamlion wrote:I think Mayweather would cut Hatton to ribbons. Hatton is very open, his defence is his face. Whilst Mayweather is the king of ringmanship.

However if there was one style to beat Mayweather it would be to maraud, hussle and ultimately bully him. Hatton is currently the best in boxing at fighting in such a manner.
Actually that's not the style to beat Floyd. He can mix it and beat those guys as he has shown.

The style to beat him is a tall fighter with a good jab who has power and a chin and skills....

Vernon Forest.

It's similar to Roy vs Tarver or Mosley vs Forrest. Now, both were on the slide but that tall compact defence coupled with power and solid skills and a chin is the recipy to beat Floyd as well. Forrest can lead and can counter and has every punch in the book. Other than him, I'd take Floyd over most, Mayorga, Mosley, DLH, Boldomir, Margarito etc.

I can't say the same for Hatton.
Corrales effectively fits the criteria of "a tall fighter with a good jab who has power..." and he got smashed to fook by Mayweather. I cant see anyone outboxing Mayweather - he is the master of ringmanship. Forrest looked great against Mosely, but how many years ago was that? Mayorga smashed him bad in their first fight and at present Forrest has no recent form to speak of.

I watched Forrest fight Elco Garcia, and he was giving Vernon all he could handle. Vernon was probably gonna get the decision, but a weird string of events where a real KD was ruled a slip and Forrest popped back up and hit Garcia when he wasn't looking. Garcia went down, the ref covered him up and called it off.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 10 Apr 2006, 14:21

Tszyu spanked Judah and that's that. Tszyu was a precise master boxer who was focused and intelligent enough to make adjustments, before finding the measure of his man and lowering the boom. That he could do it so concisely vs a man as physically gifted as Judah is a testament to how fucing good he was. Prime Tszyu would be a very nasty proposition for Mayweather.

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 10 Apr 2006, 14:35

viciousmaussa wrote:Tszyu spanked Judah and that's that. Tszyu was a precise master boxer who was focused and intelligent enough to make adjustments, before finding the measure of his man and lowering the boom. That he could do it so concisely vs a man as physically gifted as Judah is a testament to how fucing good he was. Prime Tszyu would be a very nasty proposition for Mayweather.

He wasn't able to adapt to prime Phillips??

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 10 Apr 2006, 14:36

viciousmaussa wrote:Tszyu spanked Judah and that's that. Tszyu was a precise master boxer who was focused and intelligent enough to make adjustments, before finding the measure of his man and lowering the boom. That he could do it so concisely vs a man as physically gifted as Judah is a testament to how fucing good he was. Prime Tszyu would be a very nasty proposition for Mayweather.

Judah was taking it to Tszyu in the first, you can't question that. Even moreso than he did to Floyd. However, Judah inexplicably came out in the 2nd a different fighter. Floyd could keep up what Zab did in the first for the entire 12, Zab would've given in and gone for a KO eventually.

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 10 Apr 2006, 14:37

liamlion wrote:
lirva33 wrote:
liamlion wrote:I think Mayweather would cut Hatton to ribbons. Hatton is very open, his defence is his face. Whilst Mayweather is the king of ringmanship.

However if there was one style to beat Mayweather it would be to maraud, hussle and ultimately bully him. Hatton is currently the best in boxing at fighting in such a manner.
Actually that's not the style to beat Floyd. He can mix it and beat those guys as he has shown.

The style to beat him is a tall fighter with a good jab who has power and a chin and skills....

Vernon Forest.

It's similar to Roy vs Tarver or Mosley vs Forrest. Now, both were on the slide but that tall compact defence coupled with power and solid skills and a chin is the recipy to beat Floyd as well. Forrest can lead and can counter and has every punch in the book. Other than him, I'd take Floyd over most, Mayorga, Mosley, DLH, Boldomir, Margarito etc.

I can't say the same for Hatton.
Corrales effectively fits the criteria of "a tall fighter with a good jab who has power..." and he got smashed to fook by Mayweather. I cant see anyone outboxing Mayweather - he is the master of ringmanship. Forrest looked great against Mosely, but how many years ago was that? Mayorga smashed him bad in their first fight and at present Forrest has no recent form to speak of.

Corales has a poor defense and suspect chin unlike forest and tarver who's chins are not as bad as corrales and can hold a shot.

He's also not as well schooled as forest or tarver and relys on his power to get him through fights.

He's also not as smart and can't make adjustments.

lirva33 · Post by **lirva33** » 10 Apr 2006, 14:39

Mattyp151 wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:Tszyu spanked Judah and that's that. Tszyu was a precise master boxer who was focused and intelligent enough to make adjustments, before finding the measure of his man and lowering the boom. That he could do it so concisely vs a man as physically gifted as Judah is a testament to how fucing good he was. Prime Tszyu would be a very nasty proposition for Mayweather.
Judah was taking it to Tszyu in the first, you can't question that. Even moreso than he did to Floyd. However, Judah inexplicably came out in the 2nd a different fighter. Floyd could keep up what Zab did in the first for the entire 12, Zab would've given in and gone for a KO eventually.

In fairness Zab was getting timed towards the end of the first. Tszyu figured him out. Have to give him credit.

Floyd is a different kettle of fish altogether though.

Autobarn · Post by **Autobarn** » 10 Apr 2006, 14:53

Mattyp151 wrote:
viciousmaussa wrote:Tszyu spanked Judah and that's that. Tszyu was a precise master boxer who was focused and intelligent enough to make adjustments, before finding the measure of his man and lowering the boom. That he could do it so concisely vs a man as physically gifted as Judah is a testament to how fucing good he was. Prime Tszyu would be a very nasty proposition for Mayweather.
Judah was taking it to Tszyu in the first, you can't question that. Even moreso than he did to Floyd. However, Judah inexplicably came out in the 2nd a different fighter. Floyd could keep up what Zab did in the first for the entire 12, Zab would've given in and gone for a KO eventually.

Tszyu's performance was a masterclass of swift, brutal, clean efficiency. Tszyu was well covered for the Judah jab, and after a few scores from Zab, Kostya read, and then took away, the powerful Zab left. That was the crucial move in the fight. He found the right positioning to take the punch away, and after that Zab didn't know what to do when Tszyu showed that he'd found the measure of him early. Tszyu had marvellous spatial awareness, and after taking Zab's best stuff away about 2 mins into the first round, it was all downhill for Judah. Speaking of economy, how's 2 knockdowns from one punch?

Yes, Mayweather's very fast, very clever, an impressive athlete and very well shooled. But I still think he's being overrated for what he's done above 130

nickd · Post by **nickd** » 10 Apr 2006, 15:10

The DQ is at the discretion of the referee. There is no automatic DQ.

As for Mayweather not stopping him, he went into the fight with a damaged right hand and as someone else already mentioned he wears the more padded gloves to protect his fists.

Max Molyneux · Post by **Max Molyneux** » 10 Apr 2006, 16:39

Hatton's got the style that could beat Floyd out of most of them.

Box fighters are just too taylor made for him hence why Gatti got slaughtered so bad because he tried to box him.

He'll have trouble keeping Hatton on the outside and having to constantly move his feet to keep him at bay.