Tommy Hearns Vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr

[Ossyrules]

Diego Corrales was in his prime.
Zab Judah was in his prime.
Juan Manuel Marquez was in his prime when Floyd beat him. He was just too big for him.
Ricky Hatton was in his prime.
Jose Luis Castillo was in his prime.
Genaro Hernandez was in his prime still.

Oscar was the bigger opponent. PBF went up in weight and schooled him.

Sugar Shane was coming from the Margarito loss. PBF beat him outright.

Pac was not in his prime, neither was PBF.

The guy PBF was extraordinary and exceptional, love him or hate him.

Marcos Maidana was in his prime. PBF beat him.

With the exception of Manny and Marquez, none of them are in the top 100 ATG pound per pound in my view. Mayweather beat them all. End of story.

Coralles - good win
Judah - gatekeeper
Marquez - not in his prime
Hatton - prime
Castillo - prime
Madiana - prime

You've then basically admitted the others guys weren't in there prime vs Floyd by saying "he's just beat marg" or "Floyd come up in weight" etc. Fact is the rest of them guys weren't in there prime

So to answer ambling alps question, Castillo, Hatton, corrales, Madiana are the guys Mayweather beat who were in there prime.

Juan Manuel Marquez was in his prime.
Oscar DeLaHoya was the bigger guy. Mayweather whupped him.
Shane Mosley would have lost to Floyd at anytime in his career.
Zab Judah was in his prime. Mayweather beat him.

What else he gotta do? Fight King Kong? SMH!

Marquez wasn't in his prime

Oscar was the bigger guy at the end of his career

He beat end of career mosely, the rest is speculation

Judah was a gate keeper

What else has he got to do?

Fight prime Pacquaio, prime cotto, not bring canelo down so far in weight, fight mosely nearer his prime

Floyds record is thinner than it should be. And whoever created the thread has picked the ideal opponent to beat him. He has no chance vs Hearns

[elmersalsa]

Coralles - good win
Judah - gatekeeper
Marquez - not in his prime
Hatton - prime
Castillo - prime
Madiana - prime

You've then basically admitted the others guys weren't in there prime vs Floyd by saying "he's just beat marg" or "Floyd come up in weight" etc. Fact is the rest of them guys weren't in there prime

So to answer ambling alps question, Castillo, Hatton, corrales, Madiana are the guys Mayweather beat who were in there prime.

Juan Manuel Marquez was in his prime.
Oscar DeLaHoya was the bigger guy. Mayweather whupped him.
Shane Mosley would have lost to Floyd at anytime in his career.
Zab Judah was in his prime. Mayweather beat him.

What else he gotta do? Fight King Kong? SMH!

Marquez wasn't in his prime

Oscar was the bigger guy at the end of his career

He beat end of career mosely, the rest is speculation

Judah was a gate keeper

What else has he got to do?

Fight prime Pacquaio, prime cotto, not bring canelo down so far in weight, fight mosely nearer his prime

Floyds record is thinner than it should be. And whoever created the thread has picked the ideal opponent to beat him. He has no chance vs Hearns

Nonsense. He whupped them all and that's all to it.

Floyd Mayweather, Jr is a great, great fighter. I am convinced when he said that he was better than the great Muhammad Ali. I think he is, pound per pound a top 10 ATG. I got him at #7. End of story for me.

As for fighting the great Tommy Hearns, I agree that the Hitman would win by decision or knockout. He's not outboxing Tommy. Nobody did. And PBF is not aggressive enough to go all out for the KO win.

[elmersalsa]

ANY Welterweight that would flat out avoid Manny Pac for at least 4 years, is NEVER going to beat Tommy Hearns at 147. The biggest hurdle of course, finding the balls to actually sign to fight him.

I don't think he beats Tommy even if he had the balls to sign for the fight. It would be worse at 154lbs. The Hitman would've destroyed him. It wouldn't be a A FAIR fight.

[Ossyrules]

Juan Manuel Marquez was in his prime.
Oscar DeLaHoya was the bigger guy. Mayweather whupped him.
Shane Mosley would have lost to Floyd at anytime in his career.
Zab Judah was in his prime. Mayweather beat him.

What else he gotta do? Fight King Kong? SMH!

Marquez wasn't in his prime

Oscar was the bigger guy at the end of his career

He beat end of career mosely, the rest is speculation

Judah was a gate keeper

What else has he got to do?

Fight prime Pacquaio, prime cotto, not bring canelo down so far in weight, fight mosely nearer his prime

Floyds record is thinner than it should be. And whoever created the thread has picked the ideal opponent to beat him. He has no chance vs Hearns

Nonsense. He whupped them all and that's all to it.

Floyd Mayweather, Jr is a great, great fighter. I am convinced when he said that he was better than the great Muhammad Ali. I think he is, pound per pound a top 10 ATG. I got him at #7. End of story for me.

As for fighting the great Tommy Hearns, I agree that the Hitman would win by decision or knockout. He's not outboxing Tommy. Nobody did. And PBF is not aggressive enough to go all out for the KO win.

He whupped them all and that's all there is to it.

This is the quote of someone who doesn't go the extra yard to assess situations. It's a very basic way to make a decision

[Syntax Error]

I don't like the thought of any little welterweight going up against Hearns.

It's only the big ones; the ones that started at the weight, or thereabouts & then, they have to have the chin, the intestinal fortitude & the ability to apply constant pressure in order to stand a chance.

[elmersalsa]

Marquez wasn't in his prime

Oscar was the bigger guy at the end of his career

He beat end of career mosely, the rest is speculation

Judah was a gate keeper

What else has he got to do?

Fight prime Pacquaio, prime cotto, not bring canelo down so far in weight, fight mosely nearer his prime

Floyds record is thinner than it should be. And whoever created the thread has picked the ideal opponent to beat him. He has no chance vs Hearns

Nonsense. He whupped them all and that's all to it.

Floyd Mayweather, Jr is a great, great fighter. I am convinced when he said that he was better than the great Muhammad Ali. I think he is, pound per pound a top 10 ATG. I got him at #7. End of story for me.

As for fighting the great Tommy Hearns, I agree that the Hitman would win by decision or knockout. He's not outboxing Tommy. Nobody did. And PBF is not aggressive enough to go all out for the KO win.

He whupped them all and that's all there is to it.

This is the quote of someone who doesn't go the extra yard to assess situations. It's a very basic way to make a decision

And I believe that you don't like the great Floyd Mayweather, Jr. End of story.

[Ossyrules]

Nonsense. He whupped them all and that's all to it.

Floyd Mayweather, Jr is a great, great fighter. I am convinced when he said that he was better than the great Muhammad Ali. I think he is, pound per pound a top 10 ATG. I got him at #7. End of story for me.

As for fighting the great Tommy Hearns, I agree that the Hitman would win by decision or knockout. He's not outboxing Tommy. Nobody did. And PBF is not aggressive enough to go all out for the KO win.

He whupped them all and that's all there is to it.

This is the quote of someone who doesn't go the extra yard to assess situations. It's a very basic way to make a decision

And I believe that you don't like the great Floyd Mayweather, Jr. End of story.

I believe you don't like the great Floyd Mayweather jr.

This is the quote of someone who literally has no comeback to objective neutral posts

[dr_devious]

Emile Griffiths would have too

[Ambling Alp II]

He whupped them all and that's all there is to it.

This is the quote of someone who doesn't go the extra yard to assess situations. It's a very basic way to make a decision

And I believe that you don't like the great Floyd Mayweather, Jr. End of story.

I believe you don't like the great Floyd Mayweather jr.

This is the quote of someone who literally has no comeback to objective neutral posts

Welcome to elmerland. He never has a decent counter to someone else's point. If he likes a guy, he exaggerates how great he is. If he doesn't, then he says the guy isn't that good.

We point that that Mayweather never beat a great fighter when they were in his prime. He just says he beat them. No shit. He just ignores when the fight happened.
On the other hand, he has every excuse in the book for loss if it's a guy he likes.

He is unable to grasp the most simple points that a 10-year gets. He just refuses to use his brain.
Have never encountered a person like him in my life. Unbelievable.

[Awesom-O]

One of the worst matchups possible for Floyd.

I put him pretty high H2H from 130-140, as well as all-time at 130 for achievements at the weight. At 147, it's a different story, the list of fighters who I would pick against him at the weight is certainly longer, and Hearns might be the toughest matchup of all for Floyd.

[DrDuke]

I'd say Hearns. In his prime he just couldn't be outboxed. His chin was his only weakness then. He was outboxing SRL, that tells everything.

[Kalan]

if Floyd never even tested himself against a fistic great like Nicholas Walters, and that is supposedly to his detriment, I don't know how he could even have the nerve to share a ring with Hearns

Because Hearns was a skinny, weak little punk, that's why... I knew Hagler was going to kill the clown... Take one look at the way Hearns quavered and wavered in the final seconds of his 147 Leonard fight and his Hagler Middleweight fight... Did you ever see such a skinny weakling looking like dandelion fluff blowing in the wind??? ... Those boys blew Tommy away like he was a tottering Tinker Toy made out of pipe cleaners...

Do you think Floyd is a fukking weakling or something??? ... Watch his three 154-pound fights versus Canelo, Cotto, and De La Hoya...

Floyd absorbed plenty of hard shots from those hitters like they were nothing... His chin is 10 times better than Tommy "Hit Me" Hearns.

[lazboy]

Because Hearns was a skinny, weak little punk, that's why... I knew Hagler was going to kill the clown... Take one look at the way Hearns quavered and wavered in the final seconds of his 147 Leonard fight and his Hagler Middleweight fight... Did you ever see such a skinny weakling looking like dandelion fluff blowing in the wind??? ... Those boys blew Tommy away like he was a tottering Tinker Toy made out of pipe cleaners...

Wow this is probably the most disrespectful thing I've read about a fighter. You would not be saying this to his (Hearns) face.

[littlepug]

Because Hearns was a skinny, weak little punk, that's why... I knew Hagler was going to kill the clown... Take one look at the way Hearns quavered and wavered in the final seconds of his 147 Leonard fight and his Hagler Middleweight fight... Did you ever see such a skinny weakling looking like dandelion fluff blowing in the wind??? ... Those boys blew Tommy away like he was a tottering Tinker Toy made out of pipe cleaners...

Wow this is probably the most disrespectful thing I've read about a fighter. You would not be saying this to his (Hearns) face.

I'm assuming Kalan is drunk, Hearns was a beast

[lazboy]

Because Hearns was a skinny, weak little punk, that's why... I knew Hagler was going to kill the clown... Take one look at the way Hearns quavered and wavered in the final seconds of his 147 Leonard fight and his Hagler Middleweight fight... Did you ever see such a skinny weakling looking like dandelion fluff blowing in the wind??? ... Those boys blew Tommy away like he was a tottering Tinker Toy made out of pipe cleaners...

Wow this is probably the most disrespectful thing I've read about a fighter. You would not be saying this to his (Hearns) face.

I'm assuming Kalan is drunk, Hearns was a beast

In Australia there are warnings on bottles re: the mixing of prescription drugs and alcohol.

[Flump]

if Floyd never even tested himself against a fistic great like Nicholas Walters, and that is supposedly to his detriment, I don't know how he could even have the nerve to share a ring with Hearns

Because Hearns was a skinny, weak little punk, that's why... I knew Hagler was going to kill the clown... Take one look at the way Hearns quavered and wavered in the final seconds of his 147 Leonard fight and his Hagler Middleweight fight... Did you ever see such a skinny weakling looking like dandelion fluff blowing in the wind??? ... Those boys blew Tommy away like he was a tottering Tinker Toy made out of pipe cleaners...

Do you think Floyd is a fukking weakling or something??? ... Watch his three 154-pound fights versus Canelo, Cotto, and De La Hoya...

Floyd absorbed plenty of hard shots from those hitters like they were nothing... His chin is 10 times better than Tommy "Hit Me" Hearns.

And it's idiotic, disrespectful statements like this that prove that you have never boxed in your young life.

[Kalan]

You're a lying piece of shitt who knows nothing... It's no secret Hearns could NOT absorb a punch and Mayweather COULD.

It's disrespectful to say Tommy could beat Floyd... Who's the number 1 ATG ranked by boxrec.com???

In fact several Mayweather victims are ranked ahead of Hearns -- and ahead of the men who pulverized Hearns

[Flump]

You're a lying piece of shitt who knows nothing... It's no secret Hearns could NOT absorb a punch and Mayweather COULD.

It's disrespectful to say Tommy could beat Floyd... Who's the number 1 ATG ranked by boxrec.com???

In fact several Mayweather victims are ranked ahead of Hearns -- and ahead of the men who pulverized Hearns

Yeah because that was what I was referring to as disrespectful

Tell us some more about your boxing career Kalan. Being as living West Coast heavyweights of the sixties and seventies who went on to be successful trainers are in short supply these days, why don't you give me some clues and I'll see if I can guess who you are.

[Kalan]

People asked me about my background in the sport sso I told them the broad basics. If I want to reveal who I am at some point I'll do that. This topic is not about me. Isn't Floyd ranked the All Time Greatest fighter of all time, in the history of Boxing, by this website???

He fought for 20 years as a pro -- more than half that time at Welterweight. You never saw him weigh in at 145 for a Welterweight Fight.

I don't agree with his ranking -- but there IS a strong basis for ranking Floyd ahead of everybody else who ever fought.. He had brilliant skills.. He can fight inside, outside, upside and downside.. He takes a punch well, but he was extremely difficult to hit with telling blows.. If he needs to he'll take a round or 2 or 3 to to get a better sense of the angle, timing, and range of your punches. It's like a chess player sacrificing a pawn or a bishop to achieve a strategic advantage. Leonard was behind -- but he could feel Hearns weakening round by round -- so Ray took his time and got the KO win. Leonard was decked several times in 40 fights. He was easier to hit with right hands than Floyd who's suffered 1 glove touch knockdown in 50 fights.

Floyd had a great right lead and Hearns was not hard to find with a KO punch. Hearns did seem like he'd be hard to beat at 154.. That seemed to be a real good weight for him and he looked stronger.. At 147 Floyd beats him all day.

[hhaehre]

People asked me about my background in the sport sso I told them the broad basics.

The broad basics:
1. Big
2. Tall
3. Billed as the hardest puncher in the world
4. Sparred many champions
5. Knocked down contenders
6. World class powerlifter
7. Trained hundreds of fighters
8. Watched non-existing film of Zale-Graziano 1&2 in the 50's
9. Is in his 70's
10 Lives with wife in west coast mansion
11. Could to this day handle most current heavyweigths
12. Young women still find him attractive

Quite the corner you have painted yourself in there.

[IKSRTFO]

You're a lying piece of shitt who knows nothing... It's no secret Hearns could NOT absorb a punch and Mayweather COULD.

It's disrespectful to say Tommy could beat Floyd... Who's the number 1 ATG ranked by boxrec.com???

In fact several Mayweather victims are ranked ahead of Hearns -- and ahead of the men who pulverized Hearns

Hearns could definitely take a punch. He was only stopped by PUNCHERS. Leonard, Hagler, and Barkley are capable of sparking out anyone below 160, Mayweather included. Even if Floyd is rightfully ranked ahead of him, it doesn't mean he could beat him.

[IKSRTFO]

People asked me about my background in the sport sso I told them the broad basics. If I want to reveal who I am at some point I'll do that. This topic is not about me. Isn't Floyd ranked the All Time Greatest fighter of all time, in the history of Boxing, by this website???

He fought for 20 years as a pro -- more than half that time at Welterweight. You never saw him weigh in at 145 for a Welterweight Fight.

I don't agree with his ranking -- but there IS a strong basis for ranking Floyd ahead of everybody else who ever fought.. He had brilliant skills.. He can fight inside, outside, upside and downside.. He takes a punch well, but he was extremely difficult to hit with telling blows.. If he needs to he'll take a round or 2 or 3 to to get a better sense of the angle, timing, and range of your punches. It's like a chess player sacrificing a pawn or a bishop to achieve a strategic advantage. Leonard was behind -- but he could feel Hearns weakening round by round -- so Ray took his time and got the KO win. Leonard was decked several times in 40 fights. He was easier to hit with right hands than Floyd who's suffered 1 glove touch knockdown in 50 fights.

Floyd had a great right lead and Hearns was not hard to find with a KO punch. Hearns did seem like he'd be hard to beat at 154.. That seemed to be a real good weight for him and he looked stronger.. At 147 Floyd beats him all day.

Floyd at 147 doesn't punch nowhere near hard as the Leonard that Hearns fought. And it's not like Leonard got Hearns out of there with two punches. It took him 13 + rounds to do it.

[Kalan]

Floyd didn't look for the KO.

Mayweather looked to figure out what you threw and when you threw it.. He tested you with feints and various leads like Mikey does. He looked to get your timing and rhythm down. Then Floyd closed the distance and started messing you up... If you were very hittable, like Hatton or Ortiz Floyd did this job quickly.. He started tagging them up in the 1st round.. He worked them til they got knocked out.

Ortiz had been knocked out once before -- and Hatton was 43-0 -- but it was obvious they were easy to hit and Floyd would knock them out..

Floyd was smoother and more deceptive than Leonard with his straight punches -- and slicker on the inside... Leonard put more juice on his jabs and you could read them -- and line Sugar Ray up for right hands like Kevin Howard did -- a guy who wasn't a real good boxer.

Barkley lined Hearns up for big rights.. Bark was slow and didn't have any smoothness or timing on his punches.. But he dropped Hearns 3 times -- once for a crushing KO. The Blade was a 2nd rate technician -- as seen when Toney and Benn hammered him out -- and when little, fat, old, and slow Duran finessed the kid... Bark was able to both KO and outpoint Hearns -- and he wasn't very sharp -- certainly not a genius like Floyd.

[Kalan]

You idiot... He'd out-box Duran all day long...and Leonard??? ... little difference between Leonard and Duran ... They split 2 prime fights.

You saying Floyd couldn't box well enough to beat Iran Barkley??? GTFOOH!!! ... Yet Bark's easy to see swings knocked skinny Hearns kicking.

Poor guy had a defective chin... Floyd would plow the lad.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

You're a lying piece of shitt who knows nothing... It's no secret Hearns could NOT absorb a punch and Mayweather COULD.

It's disrespectful to say Tommy could beat Floyd... Who's the number 1 ATG ranked by boxrec.com???

In fact several Mayweather victims are ranked ahead of Hearns -- and ahead of the men who pulverized Hearns

Hearns could definitely take a punch. He was only stopped by PUNCHERS. Leonard, Hagler, and Barkley are capable of sparking out anyone below 160, Mayweather included. Even if Floyd is rightfully ranked ahead of him, it doesn't mean he could beat him.

Anyone that beat hearns went to the hospital. Floyd was a solid puncher, like a welterweight Virgil hill. Tommy would box Floyd's ears off.