Julio Cesar Chavez vs...

[elmersalsa]

I saw his demolition job against Edwin "Chapo" Rosario and I was very awed of his boxing skills. He had a great arsenal and variety of punches. And as the fight progresses, he was warming up more and more like a motor. He reminds me of Smokin' Joe Frazier in that relentless style as the fight goes on. But, he definitely was much more better than Joe in technical skills. Both of them though, we're as tough as they can be.

But watching him in that night against Chapo, could another boxer beat him that night? Chavez seemed in that fight that he was on point and in all cylinders. Sometimes we kind of forget how special he was in the ring. How about Chavez against these guys?:
Aaron Pryor at 140lbs
Alexis Arguello at 130lbs
Floyd Mayweather, Jr at 130 or 135lbs
Salvador Sanchez at 130lbs

I think Chavez had the ability to beat all four when he was at his very best. More technically sound and better inside fighter than the guys above. A true gem of boxing. What do you think?

[SaadOffTheDeck]

I think he loses all of them, but Pryor is a real toss up.

[Kalan]

He loses them all except to Arguello -- who he beats the crap out of.

[elmersalsa]

Beats them all with the possible exception of Sanchez.

A fight with the great Salvador Sanchez would have been the greatest Mexican Civil Boxing War of all time.

[elmersalsa]

I think of the four, Pretty Boy Floyd would be the hardest one to beat. Chavez' problem was with slick boxers like Mayweather.

[gilgamesh]

I think all 4 of those guys would beat Chavez. I figure his best shot would be against Arguello.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Really? Why? He'd be wading into a meat grinder. He barely got past Laporte and lockridge at 130.

[Kalan]

Because Chavez would get inside those long awkward arms and work Arguello's body... He was too strong for the skinny Nicaraguan... Look at those skinny arms AA had... I think Aaron Pryor could have gotten Arguello earlier if he went after him harder... He was too respectful.

Alexis was outsmarted by Villomar Fernandez – a short little guy who lacked Chavez's infighting skills but finessed AA around anyway.

[Kalan]

I think of the four, Pretty Boy Floyd would be the hardest one to beat. Chavez' problem was with slick boxers like Mayweather

It would be like Sweet Pea vs Chavez -- but 10 times worse because Floyd was bigger, taller, stronger and much more skilled than Whitaker.

Sweet Pea vs JCC was one of the biggest ripoffs ever.

[APerno]

I think of the four, Pretty Boy Floyd would be the hardest one to beat. Chavez' problem was with slick boxers like Mayweather

It would be like Sweet Pea vs Chavez -- but 10 times worse because Floyd was bigger, taller, stronger and much more skilled than Whitaker.

Sweet Pea vs JCC was one of the biggest ripoffs ever.

Oh! You mean the decision, I was thinking the fornicating PPV, now that was a rip-off. Terrible fight to watch.

[elmersalsa]

If guys come straight at the great Julio Cesar Chavez, he would destroyed them. He was a master of the inside fighting game.

[Counter-puncher]

If guys come straight at the great Julio Cesar Chavez, he would destroyed them. He was a master of the inside fighting game.

like Rocky Lockridge did?

[elmersalsa]

Who won, Lockridge or Chavez?

Here is a good idea, lets all slag off J.C.Chavez because he didn't KO Rocky Lockridge like Juan Laporte did, you never know you might even get invited into Boxrec's inner circle of know it all arrogant divs.

A good one, golden oldie

[Counter-puncher]

Who won, Lockridge or Chavez?

Here is a good idea, lets all slag off J.C.Chavez because he didn't KO Rocky Lockridge like Juan Laporte did, you never know you might even get invited into Boxrec's inner circle of know it all arrogant divs.

not that I was talking to you, oh ye of meagre understanding, but let me just break that little exchange between elmer and myself into bite-size chunks, conducive to the slow digestion of your intellectual faculaties

elmer said:

If guys come straight at the great Julio Cesar Chavez, he would destroyed them

now, then, student and sage of boxing that you are, you will be aware that Rocky Lockridge had what we connoissuers describe as a 'straight-ahead' style- not unlike the sweary unsophisticated assaults of your writing, ironically enough- and he did, indeed, 'come straight at' Chavez.

And yet, how can this be, I hear you cry, forsooth the great Chavez didn't destroy Lockridge, at all.

so where, in my point that 'fighters who came straight at Chavez did not all get ]'destroyed', is there any 'slagging off' of Chavez, a fighter I admire greatly? of course, there isn't any, but don't let that stop your incontinent brains leaking your inarticulate bile all over the thread, again/as usual.

[Counter-puncher]

Who won, Lockridge or Chavez?

Here is a good idea, lets all slag off J.C.Chavez because he didn't KO Rocky Lockridge like Juan Laporte did, you never know you might even get invited into Boxrec's inner circle of know it all arrogant divs.

not that I was talking to you, oh ye of meagre understanding, but let me just break that little exchange between elmer and myself into bite-size chunks, conducive to the slow digestion of your intellectual faculaties

elmer said:

If guys come straight at the great Julio Cesar Chavez, he would destroyed them

now, then, student and sage of boxing that you are, you will be aware that Rocky Lockridge had what we connoissuers describe as a 'straight-ahead' style- not unlike the sweary unsophisticated assaults of your writing, ironically enough- and he did, indeed, 'come straight at' Chavez.

And yet, how can this be, I hear you cry, forsooth the great Chavez didn't destroy Lockridge, at all.

so where, in my point that 'fighters who came straight at Chavez did not all get ]'destroyed', is there any 'slagging off' of Chavez, a fighter I admire greatly? of course, there isn't any, but don't let that stop your incontinent brains leaking your inarticulate bile all over the thread, again/as usual.

and when you have finished sucking you own dick, try mine.

Lockridge was well beaten by Chavez, end of chat. If elmer chooses to use the verb " destroyed " then that is his right

its his right to be wrong, just as it's yours, quite frequently.

[Counter-puncher]

You're a fucken moron mate, someone says 'Chavez didn't destroy Lockridge' and you're ranting your knee jerk shite about 'slagging Chavez off', 'Chavez didn't destroy Lockridge' is slagging him off how exactly? you're a total prick. Sad old internet blowhard frothing away at the mouth.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Lockridge and Laporte both backed Chavez off, as did Whitaker. Duran would come right at him and bludgeon him.

[paddy chavez]

Lockridge and Laporte both backed Chavez off, as did Whitaker. Duran would come right at him and bludgeon him.

You really have a thing with Chavez, it's weird

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Lockridge and Laporte both backed Chavez off, as did Whitaker. Duran would come right at him and bludgeon him.

You really have a thing with Chavez, it's weird

He's overrated, doesn't mean he wasn't great. Lockridge, Laporte and Whitaker all backed him off. That's not a thing, it's a fact. In the first two cases he showed he could box off of his back foot. You just take it poorly because you love him.

[BoxBuzz]

And now for the facts of the matter.


He has no chance against Mayweather, he has no chance against Sanchez, he has a fair chance against Arguello and Chavez and Pryor would be fun to watch.....as there might not be much left of either of them at fights end. Seems a brutal pairing. Judges might just have to view the remains and make a subjective call.

[Kalan]

I don't figure Chavez-Pryor would be a battle of attrition.. Pryor would get his jab on JCC like he did to Arguello.. He would also beat the hook with his straight right.. But he wouldn't be able to overpower the Mex like he did Arguello or bull him to the ropes and maul him.

You have 2 of the best chins in the game during the time frame -- so a KO is unlikely sans one of them jumping in with a shot like Pac did to Marquez, missing the right hook and catching a perfectly timed counter.. Marquez was awed by his own punch for 3 seconds as he gaped at his victim in disbelief.. AP and JCC would try big punches, but none will find the mark.. It would be a good fight.. Pryor would win the decision.

[SenorPipino]

Chavez could beat them except for Mayweather.

A defensively talented slick guy like Money defuses the Mexican.

Julio, who could be something of a surly whiner when things didn't go his way, might even eventually quit in frustration against Mayweather. Shades of No Mas.

I feel strongly he beats Arguello. Chavez' great chin would withstand Flaco Explosivo's power shots and Chavez would simply win with pressure and greater punch output. He either stops Arguello late or wins a comfortable decision.

Pryor, if he uses movement and doesn't just stand in front of Chavez, could win. Faster hands. Better defense. But it's close. Probably goes off as a 6-5 pick 'em fight.

We never saw Sanchez above 126, so how can we predict how he would do at a higher weight against Chavez. In the early part of his career, Chavez weighed under 126 but he won his first title at 130 against Azabache Martinez.

Maybe the skilled Sanchez who beats Lopez and a still somewhat green Nelson (in a very close bout) can move up to 130 and beat a young Chavez. Julio wasn't a truly mature, solid fighter until he was 135 and later 140.

But without seeing Sanchez at a higher weight, it's strictly speculation how he would do against the bigger JCC.

[elmersalsa]

The great Salvador Sanchez was contemplating on a match with the great Alexis Arguello at 135lbs. Could Sanchez pulled that one off? Your thoughts.

[Kalan]

Yup... Sanchez beats everybody -- had he lived... He died at 23 unfortunately.

[Ezzard]

According to reports Chavez was struggling to make 130 during his title reign. 135 suited him better. But he was never the same fighter above 135.

I'd expect he'd beat Pryor. Though it would be a slug-fest. It would be close but Chavez might score a flash KD whereas Pryor wouldn't.

Arguello might have found himself overwhelmed...his economy and power outgunned by Chavez's volume.

Mayweather on a same day weigh-in and without the new science around making weight would never have got down so low. A 140 Chavez was good but not great. I don't see it as a fair matchup.

Sanchez...hard to pick against Salvador.