Top 50 ever (without old boxer)

[Jip]

With few exceptions like ali and robinson. They way too good.

I am still at work. Give me some time. Gilga needs to understand why cotto is top 50.

[gilgamesh]

Without old boxers?

So you're out and out saying that we should ignore the past just to fit your narrative?

[IKSRTFO]

Without old boxers?

So you're out and out saying that we should ignore the past just to fit your narrative?

It's like the dumbest oxy moron. Top 50 ever without old. So is it Top 50 modern era boxers? After 1980? If it's modern era, then it isn't top 50 ever.

[tiny_acres]

Without old boxers?

So you're out and out saying that we should ignore the past just to fit your narrative?

It's like the dumbest oxy moron. Top 50 ever without old. So is it Top 50 modern era boxers? After 1980? If it's modern era, then it isn't top 50 ever.

Am I the only guy here that gets a headache reading these topics?

[gilgamesh]

Just for the hell of it. Here's my Top 50 ever. I didn't put a lot of thought into it so things could be changed around, but I'm sure I put a lot more thought into than Jip. He'd apparently just name the first 50 boxers that come to mind.

Top 50 Boxers ever (with old...because if you're talking Best ever, you're talking old school fighters)

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Sam Langford
3. Ezzard Charles
4. Harry Greb
5. Henry Armstrong
6. Willie Pep
7. Roberto Duran
8. Muhammad Ali
9. Archie Moore
10. Sugar Ray Leonard
11. Joe Louis
12. Benny Leonard
13. Gene Tunney
14. Mickey Walker
15. Barney Ross
16. Joe Gans
17. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
18. Charley Burley
19. Marvin Hagler
20. Sandy Saddler
21. Ike Williams
22. Thomas Hearns
23. Tony Canzoneri
24. Manny Pacquiao
25. Bob Fitzsimmons
26. Evander Holyfield
27. Pernell Whitaker
28. Bernard Hopkins
29. Larry Holmes
30. Michael Spinks
31. George Foreman
32. Bob Foster
33. Stanley Ketchel
34. Harold Johnson
35. Alexis Arguello
36. Roy Jones Jr.
37. Wilfredo "Bazooka" Gomez
38. Jimmy Wilde
39. Julio Cesar Chavez
40. Emile Griffith
41. Lennox Lewis
42. Erik Morales
43. Marco Antonio Barrera
44. Billy Conn
45. Eder Jofre
46. Mike McCallum
47. Aaron Pryor
48. Carlos Ortiz
49. Nicoline Locche
50. Jack Dempsey

[Jip]

I will include some good old boxers.

New boxer, 1970-2018 became just better, more athletic over time, like in every single other sport. Footballer from the past look stiiff and slow compared to footballer today. Back than 10 sec was a world record time, now athletes run 9,60 sec in 100 m. Basketballplayer were unathletic slow to guys like jordan, iverson & james.

Everything Evolved, so did boxing. Than there are rare exceptions of athletes who were so athletic, so good, that they would have been elite no matter 1950 or 2020. Wilt chamberlain, maradona & pele, ali, robinson....etc..

[gilgamesh]

I look forward to your list considering that Jordan is a slow, basketballer. This should be good for a few cheap laughs

[Jip]

Just for the hell of it. Here's my Top 50 ever. I didn't put a lot of thought into it so things could be changed around, but I'm sure I put a lot more thought into than Jip. He'd apparently just name the first 50 boxers that come to mind.

Top 50 Boxers ever (with old...because if you're talking Best ever, you're talking old school fighters)

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Sam Langford
3. Ezzard Charles
4. Harry Greb
5. Henry Armstrong
6. Willie Pep
7. Roberto Duran
8. Muhammad Ali
9. Archie Moore
10. Sugar Ray Leonard
11. Joe Louis
12. Benny Leonard
13. Gene Tunney
14. Mickey Walker
15. Barney Ross
16. Joe Gans
17. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
18. Charley Burley
19. Marvin Hagler
20. Sandy Saddler
21. Ike Williams
22. Thomas Hearns
23. Tony Canzoneri
24. Manny Pacquiao
25. Bob Fitzsimmons
26. Evander Holyfield
27. Pernell Whitaker
28. Bernard Hopkins
29. Larry Holmes
30. Michael Spinks
31. George Foreman
32. Bob Foster
33. Stanley Ketchel
34. Harold Johnson
35. Alexis Arguello
36. Roy Jones Jr.
37. Wilfredo "Bazooka" Gomez
38. Jimmy Wilde
39. Julio Cesar Chavez
40. Emile Griffith
41. Lennox Lewis
42. Erik Morales
43. Marco Antonio Barrera
44. Billy Conn
45. Eder Jofre
46. Mike McCallum
47. Aaron Pryor
48. Carlos Ortiz
49. Nicoline Locche
50. Jack Dempsey

If u now put nostalgia away, only quality than a lot of boxer would leave the list.

[Jip]

I look forward to your list considering that Jordan is a slow, basketballer. This should be good for a few cheap laughs

I forgot some word. Basketball player were slow and unathletic COMPARED to my, ia and james.

[gilgamesh]

If you're talking great. Great is timeless.

[IKSRTFO]

I will include some good old boxers.

New boxer, 1970-2018 became just better, more athletic over time, like in every single other sport. Footballer from the past look stiiff and slow compared to footballer today. Back than 10 sec was a world record time, now athletes run 9,60 sec in 100 m. Basketballplayer were unathletic slow to guys like jordan, iverson & james.

Everything Evolved, so did boxing. Than there are rare exceptions of athletes who were so athletic, so good, that they would have been elite no matter 1950 or 2020. Wilt chamberlain, maradona & pele, ali, robinson....etc..

Just off the bat, you mistakenly believe that more athletic means the person is automatically better. That isn't the case. Sports are also a science that requires smarts, agility, acquired skill, drive, heart, and wits. Slow Larry Bird is a better basketball player than 95% of the "more athletic" players today.

[gilgamesh]

I will include some good old boxers.

New boxer, 1970-2018 became just better, more athletic over time, like in every single other sport. Footballer from the past look stiiff and slow compared to footballer today. Back than 10 sec was a world record time, now athletes run 9,60 sec in 100 m. Basketballplayer were unathletic slow to guys like jordan, iverson & james.

Everything Evolved, so did boxing. Than there are rare exceptions of athletes who were so athletic, so good, that they would have been elite no matter 1950 or 2020. Wilt chamberlain, maradona & pele, ali, robinson....etc..

Just off the bat, you mistakenly believe that more athletic means the person is automatically better. That isn't the case. Sports are also a science that requires smarts, agility, acquired skill, drive, heart, and wits. Slow Larry Bird is a better basketball player than 95% of the "more athletic" players today.

Indeed. Sometimes a great strategic mind, and understanding of the sport you're competing in is as valuable as anything. Which is why a guy like Locche makes my list. He wasn't a stellar athletic talent necessarily, but he was as crafty as they come.

[Jip]

This list is focused on quality, not blown up records and nostalgia.

1. Roy Jones Jr
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Sugar Ray Leonard
4. Manny Pacquiao
5. Floyd Mayweather
6. Vasyl Lomachenko
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Guillermo Rigondeaux
9. Pernell Whitacker
10. Thomas Hearns
11. Henry Armstrong
12. Roberto Duran
13. Ricardo Lopez
14. Marvin Hagler
15. Mike Tyson
16. Khaoxai Galaxy
17. Bernard Hopkins
18. Benny Leonard
19. Juan Manuel Marquez
19. Willie Pepp
20. Joe Louis
21. Evander Holyfield
22. Roman Gonzales
23. Felix Trinidad
24. James Toney
25. Gerald McClellan
26. Sugar Shane Mosley
27. Nayo Inoue
28. Joe Calzaghe
29. Oscar de la Hoya
30. Gennady Golovkin
31. Winky Wright
32. Meldrick Taylor
33. Terence Crawford
34. Julio Cesar Chavez
35. Salvador Sanchez
36. Eder Jofre
37. Marco Antonio Barerra
38. Wilfredo Benitez
39. Carlos Monzon
40. Edwin Valero
41. Oleksandr Usyk
42. Vernon Forrest
43. Prince Nassem Hamed
44. Errol Spence
45. Larry Holmes
46. George Foreman
47. Mike McCallum
48. Lennox Lewis
49. Miguel Cotto
50. Kostya Tszyu

[gilgamesh]

[ewenhay]

Jip, you must be on the wind up. Greatly entertaining though!

[Thomastearns]

I would look at any greatest list without Ali at number 1 with suspicion even if it is no more than harmless fun.

The greatest entertainer both inside and outside the ring.
The bravest boxer you could imagine.
The most famous face in sport.
The favourite boxer amongst boxers.
The most godlike talent inside the ring (1965-67 - although the more I see of early Tyson the more I wonder).

[Jip]

I would look at any greatest list without Ali at number 1 with suspicion even if it is no more than harmless fun.

The greatest entertainer both inside and outside the ring.
The bravest boxer you could imagine.
The most famous face in sport.
The favourite boxer amongst boxers.
The most godlike talent inside the ring (1965-67 - although the more I see of early Tyson the more I wonder).

The greatest entertainer maybe
The bravest - i think ALL boxer are equaly brave, they all risk there life. Abraham lost so much blood and continuied to fight against miranda. Other fought till death.
The most famous. Yup.
The favourite amongs boxer, probably robinson. Alis favourite boxer was robinson.
The most godlike talent inside the ring, go watch jones against pazienza on yutub

[SaadOffTheDeck]

at watch Jones/pazienza. Yeah, Roy taught that much smaller old man a lesson!!!! If you think that highly of Vinny watch old man Duran fight him with skills Roy could only dream of.

[IKSRTFO]

This list is focused on quality, not blown up records and nostalgia.

1. Roy Jones Jr
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Sugar Ray Leonard
4. Manny Pacquiao
5. Floyd Mayweather
6. Vasyl Lomachenko
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Guillermo Rigondeaux
9. Pernell Whitacker
10. Thomas Hearns
11. Henry Armstrong
12. Roberto Duran
13. Ricardo Lopez
14. Marvin Hagler
15. Mike Tyson
16. Khaoxai Galaxy
17. Bernard Hopkins
18. Benny Leonard
19. Juan Manuel Marquez
19. Willie Pepp
20. Joe Louis
21. Evander Holyfield
22. Roman Gonzales
23. Felix Trinidad
24. James Toney
25. Gerald McClellan
26. Sugar Shane Mosley
27. Nayo Inoue
28. Joe Calzaghe
29. Oscar de la Hoya
30. Gennady Golovkin
31. Winky Wright
32. Meldrick Taylor
33. Terence Crawford
34. Julio Cesar Chavez
35. Salvador Sanchez
36. Eder Jofre
37. Marco Antonio Barerra
38. Wilfredo Benitez
39. Carlos Monzon
40. Edwin Valero
41. Oleksandr Usyk
42. Vernon Forrest
43. Prince Nassem Hamed
44. Errol Spence
45. Larry Holmes
46. George Foreman
47. Mike McCallum
48. Lennox Lewis
49. Miguel Cotto
50. Kostya Tszyu

Pacquiao and Mayweather number 4 and 5
Lomachenko and Rigondeaux in the top 10
Spence, Valero, Forrest in the top 50

I don't even want to look past to surface too long.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Valero is the best.

[tiny_acres]

This list is focused on quality, not blown up records and nostalgia.

1. Roy Jones Jr
2. Sugar Ray Robinson
3. Sugar Ray Leonard
4. Manny Pacquiao
5. Floyd Mayweather
6. Vasyl Lomachenko
7. Muhammad Ali
8. Guillermo Rigondeaux
9. Pernell Whitacker
10. Thomas Hearns
11. Henry Armstrong
12. Roberto Duran
13. Ricardo Lopez
14. Marvin Hagler
15. Mike Tyson
16. Khaoxai Galaxy
17. Bernard Hopkins
18. Benny Leonard
19. Juan Manuel Marquez
19. Willie Pepp
20. Joe Louis
21. Evander Holyfield
22. Roman Gonzales
23. Felix Trinidad
24. James Toney
25. Gerald McClellan
26. Sugar Shane Mosley
27. Nayo Inoue
28. Joe Calzaghe
29. Oscar de la Hoya
30. Gennady Golovkin
31. Winky Wright
32. Meldrick Taylor
33. Terence Crawford
34. Julio Cesar Chavez
35. Salvador Sanchez
36. Eder Jofre
37. Marco Antonio Barerra
38. Wilfredo Benitez
39. Carlos Monzon
40. Edwin Valero
41. Oleksandr Usyk
42. Vernon Forrest
43. Prince Nassem Hamed
44. Errol Spence
45. Larry Holmes
46. George Foreman
47. Mike McCallum
48. Lennox Lewis
49. Miguel Cotto
50. Kostya Tszyu

I need a drink after reading such garbage

[Kalan]

Here's my Top 50 ever. I didn't put a lot of thought into it

Looks like you didn't... There's a lack of boxers from the 21st Century on your list... Did Boxing fall off the Planet in the year 2000???

From all reports, the sport has spread about the globe like wildfire and there're more boxers than ever today... Since training methods have improved and evolved, and the sweet science itself has evolved, there's a lot of terrific athletes out there to choose from.

[gilgamesh]

Here's my Top 50 ever. I didn't put a lot of thought into it

Looks like you didn't... There's a lack of boxers from the 21st Century on your list... Did Boxing fall off the Planet in the year 2000???

From all reports, the sport has spread about the globe like wildfire and there're more boxers than ever today... Since training methods have improved and evolved, and the sweet science itself has evolved, there's a lot of terrific athletes out there to choose from.

it's tough to earn your way into the Top 50 in this day and age. It can be done, but there's a lot of work to be done first. Mayweather, Pac and B-Hop make the cut.

[SaadOffTheDeck]

Here's my Top 50 ever. I didn't put a lot of thought into it

Looks like you didn't... There's a lack of boxers from the 21st Century on your list... Did Boxing fall off the Planet in the year 2000???

From all reports, the sport has spread about the globe like wildfire and there're more boxers than ever today... Since training methods have improved and evolved, and the sweet science itself has evolved, there's a lot of terrific athletes out there to choose from.

Training hasn't evolved, it's worse.

[Kalan]

Bullshitt.... It's 10 times better.. You had to sneak off to do weight training and specialized conditioning in the old days because the old trainers didn't believe in it.. But anybody who did it got great results.. Better and faster punching, quicker footwork, more spring and better resistance.