Pound per Pound Greatest Inside Fighter in History

[Tomasino]

Armstrong, Qawi, Toney all missing from the list. Out of that list I'd take Duran.

[Seamus]

Wilfred Benitez took Duran to school on the inside.

[Kalan]

Be serious... How skilled was LaMotta??? ... People pretend infighting isn't a skill game -- as if it's all about having short arms and punching power.. First of all -- LaMotta had a 28% KO ratio.. Secondly, he was taken out by Danny Nardico, a little known fighter who knocked LaMotta off his pins.. LaMotta lost a bunch of other fights. Throughout his career his record was dotted with losses, and his skills were never breathtaking.

Salvador Sanchez had incredible skills and a KO ratio of 70%... Wilfredo Gomez was undefeated in 33 fights -- and was the shorter fighter with the shorter reach -- and he ended his career with a KO ratio of 88%... But Sanchez was able to outfight Gomez on the inside and knock the ATG out.. It's a great study in slipping and ripping ... and staying on your world class opponent til you flatten him in the early rounds, mid rounds, or late rounds.. When he starts flagging like Gomez did you can't let up for a second.

Sometimes Kalan, you know what you are talking about. Sometimes you don't. But in this instance about the great Salvador Sanchez' inside game skills, you're correct 100%

Thank you... Most of the time you don't make a lick of sense because of bias... This is one of the few times you listened with an open mind and got it.

[elmersalsa]

Be serious... How skilled was LaMotta??? ... People pretend infighting isn't a skill game -- as if it's all about having short arms and punching power.. First of all -- LaMotta had a 28% KO ratio.. Secondly, he was taken out by Danny Nardico, a little known fighter who knocked LaMotta off his pins.. LaMotta lost a bunch of other fights. Throughout his career his record was dotted with losses, and his skills were never breathtaking.

Salvador Sanchez had incredible skills and a KO ratio of 70%... Wilfredo Gomez was undefeated in 33 fights -- and was the shorter fighter with the shorter reach -- and he ended his career with a KO ratio of 88%... But Sanchez was able to outfight Gomez on the inside and knock the ATG out.. It's a great study in slipping and ripping ... and staying on your world class opponent til you flatten him in the early rounds, mid rounds, or late rounds.. When he starts flagging like Gomez did you can't let up for a second.

Sometimes Kalan, you know what you are talking about. Sometimes you don't. But in this instance about the great Salvador Sanchez' inside game skills, you're correct 100%

Thank you... Most of the time you don't make a lick of sense because of bias... This is one of the few times you listened with an open mind and got it.

I'm not as biased as some people in here.

[Kalan]

Be serious... How skilled was LaMotta??? ... People pretend infighting isn't a skill game -- as if it's all about having short arms and punching power.. First of all -- LaMotta had a 28% KO ratio.. Secondly, he was taken out by Danny Nardico, a little known fighter who knocked LaMotta off his pins.. LaMotta lost a bunch of other fights. Throughout his career his record was dotted with losses, and his skills were never breathtaking.

Salvador Sanchez had incredible skills and a KO ratio of 70%... Wilfredo Gomez was undefeated in 33 fights -- and was the shorter fighter with the shorter reach -- and he ended his career with a KO ratio of 88%... But Sanchez was able to outfight Gomez on the inside and knock the ATG out.. It's a great study in slipping and ripping ... and staying on your world class opponent til you flatten him in the early rounds, mid rounds, or late rounds.. When he starts flagging like Gomez did you can't let up for a second.

Sometimes Kalan, you know what you are talking about. Sometimes you don't. But in this instance about the great Salvador Sanchez' inside game skills, you're correct 100%

You never know what you're talking about... In this instance it's a lucky guess on your part.

[elmersalsa]

Be serious... How skilled was LaMotta??? ... People pretend infighting isn't a skill game -- as if it's all about having short arms and punching power.. First of all -- LaMotta had a 28% KO ratio.. Secondly, he was taken out by Danny Nardico, a little known fighter who knocked LaMotta off his pins.. LaMotta lost a bunch of other fights. Throughout his career his record was dotted with losses, and his skills were never breathtaking.

Salvador Sanchez had incredible skills and a KO ratio of 70%... Wilfredo Gomez was undefeated in 33 fights -- and was the shorter fighter with the shorter reach -- and he ended his career with a KO ratio of 88%... But Sanchez was able to outfight Gomez on the inside and knock the ATG out.. It's a great study in slipping and ripping ... and staying on your world class opponent til you flatten him in the early rounds, mid rounds, or late rounds.. When he starts flagging like Gomez did you can't let up for a second.

Sometimes Kalan, you know what you are talking about. Sometimes you don't. But in this instance about the great Salvador Sanchez' inside game skills, you're correct 100%

You never know what you're talking about... In this instance it's a lucky guess on your part.

When you say things like Edwin Valero would have killed the great Henry Armstrong or the great Larry Holmes beat a prime Muhammad Ali, then, I got to scratch my head. Things like that when I say you don't know what are you talking about. And another statement that you make like Wilt Chamberlain would have killed Muhammad Ali. Things like that.

But, in other subjects, I can see your expertise.

[elmersalsa]

I also love the great Julio Cesar Chavez' inside game in his prime. The Edwin "Chapo" Rosario fight is one of the evidences.

[Kalan]

Sometimes Kalan, you know what you are talking about. Sometimes you don't. But in this instance about the great Salvador Sanchez' inside game skills, you're correct 100%

You never know what you're talking about... In this instance it's a lucky guess on your part.

When you say things like Edwin Valero would have killed the great Henry Armstrong or the great Larry Holmes beat a prime Muhammad Ali, then, I got to scratch my head. Things like that when I say you don't know what are you talking about. And another statement that you make like Wilt Chamberlain would have killed Muhammad Ali. Things like that.

But, in other subjects, I can see your expertise

It takes a lot of expertise to know things most people can't comprehend... For instance, the fact Armstrong got beaten 21 times even though most of his opponents were very soft touches.. Armstrong got beaten 10 times in his first 10 years as a pro.. Plus he lost fights on fouls and fouled 10 times a minute.. Unknown fighters with many losses beat Armstrong.. Edwin Valero was a 2-Division World Champion of great skill, finesse, and punching power.. No other boxer in History who had that many World Title Fights won all his fights and won them all by KO.. In his last fight against Tony DeMarco (on youtube) he was badly cut by a savage elbow to his forward. The wound bled buckets of blood but Valero refused to let his corner stop the fight an get the win on a foul blow and cuts.. He wanted to stop DeMarco and maintain his perfect KO ratio, which he did.

Ali was easy to hit and got ripped with left hooks.. He got hit a ton by novice Leon Spinks.. He got hit and battered so much he was done when he was 36.. Holmes had so much boxing expertise that Ali DIDN'T have he beat Ray Mercer at age 42 and damned near beat Oliver McCall at age 45.. Holmes was none-the-worst for wear after those fights because he defended extremely well in orthodox fashion and knew what he was doing.

Wilt Chamberlain may have been the single greatest athlete in the history of sports. Most men over 7 feet tall have 2 left feet. They're uncoordinated as Hell. Even the one 7-footer in 73 who makes it only to an NBA Basketball court generally lacks speed and coordination.. So when you see somebody like Chamberlain move so quickly and outmaneuver several defenders to get to the basket, than beat them down the floor on defense and grab the rebound it's something you just don't see.

I know from experience that great athletes pick up Boxing technique much faster than others.. That's why Joe Louis was able do dominate Primo Carnera with less than 1 year of experience and dominate Max Baer shortly after that with about 14 months experience.. Wilt Chamberlain had already been shown some basics by Cus D'Amato and others.. No Heavyweight ever saw punches coming at them from the angles Wilt could produce. He'd flick a jab with his 101" reach and you'd take 3 times as much energy defending the smashing jab as Wilt did flicking it.. Right hands come at you from such a height it's difficult to avoid them.. Roberto Duran never faced anyone throwing punches at the angles Thomas Hearns threw punches at him.. Hearns was only 6 inches taller and no heavier.. His reach was only about 5 inches longer than Iran Barkley's -- but Duran was immediately confused and uneasy...and he started getting ripped.. He would soon be knocked out for his only stoppage loss.

Finding any sparring partners with Wilt's height, weight, reach, coordination, and speed was impossible.. It was easy to find guys Ali's height, weight and reach.. And just because Ali shoeshines his feet doesn't mean anything to anyone with a brain.. You're still in the same place you were a second ago, and you've expended energy for nothing.. Amir Khan is supposed to be fast, but guys walked straight into him and beat the shitt out of him because he can't duck punches any better than Ali could.. When Wilt challenged Ali, he had to answer or look like a coward.. He even claimed to accept Chamberlain's challenge and appeared on TV promoting their supposed fight.. But he refused to sign the contract as any sane person would.

Ali telling Chamberlain "I accept your challenge... As soon as I get through with a few more contenders... IF I beat them." ... Pretty big hedge.

Chamberlain asked Ali How long it would be before he signed the contract...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s ... Ali refused to answer.. He never had any intention of getting into a any ring to fight Chamberlain.

[elmersalsa]

You never know what you're talking about... In this instance it's a lucky guess on your part.

When you say things like Edwin Valero would have killed the great Henry Armstrong or the great Larry Holmes beat a prime Muhammad Ali, then, I got to scratch my head. Things like that when I say you don't know what are you talking about. And another statement that you make like Wilt Chamberlain would have killed Muhammad Ali. Things like that.

But, in other subjects, I can see your expertise

It takes a lot of expertise to know things most people can't comprehend... For instance, the fact Armstrong got beaten 21 times even though most of his opponents were very soft touches.. Armstrong got beaten 10 times in his first 10 years as a pro.. Plus he lost fights on fouls and fouled 10 times a minute.. Unknown fighters with many losses beat Armstrong.. Edwin Valero was a 2-Division World Champion of great skill, finesse, and punching power.. No other boxer in History who had that many World Title Fights won all his fights and won them all by KO.. In his last fight against Tony DeMarco (on youtube) he was badly cut by a savage elbow to his forward. The wound bled buckets of blood but Valero refused to let his corner stop the fight an get the win on a foul blow and cuts.. He wanted to stop DeMarco and maintain his perfect KO ratio, which he did.

Ali was easy to hit and got ripped with left hooks.. He got hit a ton by novice Leon Spinks.. He got hit and battered so much he was done when he was 36.. Holmes had so much boxing expertise that Ali DIDN'T have he beat Ray Mercer at age 42 and damned near beat Oliver McCall at age 45.. Holmes was none-the-worst for wear after those fights because he defended extremely well in orthodox fashion and knew what he was doing.

Wilt Chamberlain may have been the single greatest athlete in the history of sports. Most men over 7 feet tall have 2 left feet. They're uncoordinated as Hell. Even the one 7-footer in 73 who makes it only to an NBA Basketball court generally lacks speed and coordination.. So when you see somebody like Chamberlain move so quickly and outmaneuver several defenders to get to the basket, than beat them down the floor on defense and grab the rebound it's something you just don't see.

I know from experience that great athletes pick up Boxing technique much faster than others.. That's why Joe Louis was able do dominate Primo Carnera with less than 1 year of experience and dominate Max Baer shortly after that with about 14 months experience.. Wilt Chamberlain had already been shown some basics by Cus D'Amato and others.. No Heavyweight ever saw punches coming at them from the angles Wilt could produce. He'd flick a jab with his 101" reach and you'd take 3 times as much energy defending the smashing jab as Wilt did flicking it.. Right hands come at you from such a height it's difficult to avoid them.. Roberto Duran never faced anyone throwing punches at the angles Thomas Hearns threw punches at him.. Hearns was only 6 inches taller and no heavier.. His reach was only about 5 inches longer than Iran Barkley's -- but Duran was immediately confused and uneasy...and he started getting ripped.. He would soon be knocked out for his only stoppage loss.

Finding any sparring partners with Wilt's height, weight, reach, coordination, and speed was impossible.. It was easy to find guys Ali's height, weight and reach.. And just because Ali shoeshines his feet doesn't mean anything to anyone with a brain.. You're still in the same place you were a second ago, and you've expended energy for nothing.. Amir Khan is supposed to be fast, but guys walked straight into him and beat the shitt out of him because he can't duck punches any better than Ali could.. When Wilt challenged Ali, he had to answer or look like a coward.. He even claimed to accept Chamberlain's challenge and appeared on TV promoting their supposed fight.. But he refused to sign the contract as any sane person would.

Ali telling Chamberlain "I accept your challenge... As soon as I get through with a few more contenders... IF I beat them." ... Pretty big hedge.

Chamberlain asked Ali How long it would be before he signed the contract...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s ... Ali refused to answer.. He never had any intention of getting into a any ring to fight Chamberlain.

My bad. I think I have made a mistake.

[elmersalsa]

Who was the best inside fighter, kalan?

[Vincent stevenson]

Think marlon starling . Riddick bowe and andre ward could maybe make the list

[Ezzard]

Duran.

[APerno]

1939-08-22 135 Henry Armstrong - Lou Ambers Yankee Stadium, Bronx UD Ambers 15/15

[Kalan]

Wilt Chamberlain ... according to you the greatest boxer who ever lived, yet didn't actually box

He DID box. Taking it very easy on Ernie Terrell and Floyd Patterson, who said Wilt was impossible to box. He was too quick, strong, and long.. But I never said he was the greatest boxer who ever lived you lying piece of dung.. You don't have to be the best boxer who ever lived to beat Ali as 5 men proved... Chamberlain never said he could beat any Heavyweight... He said he could beat Ali for the Title.. That's what he was after.

I'm not saying Chamberlain could have beaten Joshua for instance -- but he wanted to prove he could beat Ali so he challenged him.

Ali said he accepted Wilt's challenge... He even appeared with Wilt Chamberlain on TV promoting their fight... He didn't want to look chicken

This video shows one of their appearances together and a reluctant Ali https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s after saying he accepted Wilt's challenge simply refused to sign the negotiated contract to fight Chamberlain because he knew he'd get killed.

[BoxBuzz]

I would like this petty bickering to stop before someone throws their walker, at the other, or strikes the other with their cane.

We can all agree that Ali had the better boxing record, and Wilt was the taller man.

Let's find the common ground and emphasize the areas where there is little to bicker about, before someone loses their dentures, or toupee'.

[APerno]

Let's find the common ground and emphasize the areas where there is little to bicker about . . .

Your profile says you have been around since 2005, why do you still hold out hope?

[Kalan]

Wilt Chamberlain ... according to you the greatest boxer who ever lived, yet didn't actually box

He DID box. Taking it very easy on Ernie Terrell and Floyd Patterson, who said Wilt was impossible to box. He was too quick, strong, and long.. But I never said he was the greatest boxer who ever lived you lying piece of dung.. You don't have to be the best boxer who ever lived to beat Ali as 5 men proved... Chamberlain never said he could beat any Heavyweight... He said he could beat Ali for the Title.. That's what he was after.

I'm not saying Chamberlain could have beaten Joshua for instance -- but he wanted to prove he could beat Ali so he challenged him.

Ali said he accepted Wilt's challenge... He even appeared with Wilt Chamberlain on TV promoting their fight... He didn't want to look chicken

This video shows one of their appearances together and a reluctant Ali https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s after saying he accepted Wilt's challenge simply refused to sign the negotiated contract to fight Chamberlain because he knew he'd get killed.

So are you now claiming Chamberlain's ( I can't be bothered to check on your bullshitt figures Walter but these are stupid enough for you to have invented them ) 7' 2" height, 280 lbs weight, and 101" reach would have been death for Ali, but they wouldn't trouble Joshua?

Are you claiming Joshua is a better fighter than 67 Ali, as well Walter?

You're really stupid... I never said Chamberlain was 7'2" you lying ass.. He was 7' 1"... 290 pounds for Boxing... You have to be 15 pounds lighter to run an NBA Basketball court for 48 minutes and dominate on both ends of the court for 82 games a year and then the playoffs.. Chamberlain holds the record for both points scored in an NBA game (100) and rebounds pulled down in an NBA game (55) where the most elite players in the world play. He also had unbelievable endurance because he led the NBA in minutes played more times than anyone else ever, and holds more NBA records than anyone else. The above video proves 5 things... 1. Chamberlain challenged Ali... 2. Ali accepted the challenge verbally... 3. Ali and Chamberlain made appearances on TV promoting the fight... 4. A contract was negotiated and drawn up for them to fight... 5. Ali refused to sign the contract out of fear he'd get killed.

And is Joshua better than Ali??? ... Is the pope Catholic? ... Below is a starter list on the many points of superiority Joshua has over Ali

Joshua was never floored by 185-pound Henry Cooper or 190-pound Sonny Banks or 205-pound Joe Frazier -- so yes he's a better defender... And Ali didn't have close to a 100% KO ratio when he had 5 Heavyweight Championship Fights -- so yes Ali lacked the firepower of Joshua... And Ali never won the Super Stars Competition---and neither did Frazier or Norton who competed but finished in last place---like Joshua won it, so yes, Ali wasn't as good an athlete as Joshua... And Ali never tracked people down as blew them away like Joshua -- so yes AJ is a better attacker and cuts off the ring better than Ali... And Ali never displayed any infighting or body punching skills, so yes Joshua is more versatile fighter... And Joshua's never gets fat between fights -- so yes he's more dedicated... And Joshua's training regimens are all over YouTube and tougher than Hell -- so yes he trains a lot harder than Ali and leaves nothing to chance... And yes Joshua is much bigger, taller, and stronger than Ali... And yes, Joshua has a longer wingspan than Ali... And yes, Joshua doesn't eat left hooks like Ali... And yes, Joshua never got his jaw shattered, or was beaten by a blooping swinger like Norton... And yes Ali never knocked out an ATG Heavyweight Champion who stands 6'6" X 245... And yes Joshua doesn't lay on the ropes taking punishment from a much smaller guy like Joe Frazier... And yes, Joshua is not going to end his career in terrible neurological condition because he took to much punishment because of a poor defense... And yes, Joshua doesn't make amateurish mistakes like pulling straight back from blooping punches like Ali did.

Out of those many areas of fistic comparison -- there are none where Ali has an edge.