Talent does not exist....

[Kilsby]

Wow cool! A video from a guy I've never heard of! That's gonna convince me!

Just watch the video. Half hour well spent

[Counter-puncher]

TALENT IS THE EXCUSE LAZY PEOPLE USE FOR NOT SUCCEEDING

'hard work is all that's required' is the excuse untalented people give themselves later in life that, if only they had read the magic book about the magic 10,000 hours, they'd be Mesi or Ronaldo or Floyd Mayweather right now.

its like Jack and the Beanstalk, apply the magic beans of 10,000 hours practise, and, lo! we have a world superstar.

[Kilsby]

TALENT IS THE EXCUSE LAZY PEOPLE USE FOR NOT SUCCEEDING

And what exactly are you enormously successful at Mr. Talent Don't Matter?

Waking up and smelling the coffee 20 years too late

[gilgamesh]

Wow cool! A video from a guy I've never heard of! That's gonna convince me!

Just watch the video. Half hour well spent

If it was 30 seconds it would be too long to be worth my time. 30 minutes...you must be high if you think I'm watching some nobody give BS advice for a half hour

[Kilsby]

TALENT IS THE EXCUSE LAZY PEOPLE USE FOR NOT SUCCEEDING

'hard work is all that's required' is the excuse untalented people give themselves later in life that, if only they had read the magic book about the magic 10,000 hours, they'd be Mesi or Ronaldo or Floyd Mayweather right now.

its like Jack and the Beanstalk, apply the magic beans of 10,000 hours practise, and, lo! we have a world superstar.

The penny has dropped....

[gilgamesh]

TALENT IS THE EXCUSE LAZY PEOPLE USE FOR NOT SUCCEEDING

And what exactly are you enormously successful at Mr. Talent Don't Matter?

Waking up and smelling the coffee 20 years too late

So nothing then...got it.

[Stuarty]

What a stupid fuckin thread.....

[Counter-puncher]

Kilsby:

the guy who coined the whole '10,000 hour rule', would you say basically he knows more than the rest of us so we should accept what he is saying that talent doesn't exist?

[Kilsby]

TALENT IS THE EXCUSE LAZY PEOPLE USE FOR NOT SUCCEEDING

You're an idiot. This theory comes round every couple of months and gets laughed out of the room every time.

You are not as naturally as talented at football as Leo Messi.

You are not as naturally talented at boxing at Muhammad Ali.

You are not as naturally talented at snooker as Ronnie O'Sullivan.

You are not as naturally talented at golf as Tiger Woods.

According to your theory, you are as naturally talented as all four of them.

I have not worked as hard as Leo Messi at Football - very few ever have

I have not worked as hard as Muhammad Ali at Boxing - very few ever have

I have not worked as hard as Ronnie O'Sullivan at Snooker - very few ever have

I have not worked as hard as Tiger Woods at Golf - very few ever have

[SaadOffTheDeck]

TALENT IS THE EXCUSE LAZY PEOPLE USE FOR NOT SUCCEEDING

You're an idiot. This theory comes round every couple of months and gets laughed out of the room every time.

You are not as naturally as talented at football as Leo Messi.

You are not as naturally talented at boxing at Muhammad Ali.

You are not as naturally talented at snooker as Ronnie O'Sullivan.

You are not as naturally talented at golf as Tiger Woods.

According to your theory, you are as naturally talented as all four of them.

I have not worked as hard as Leo Messi at Football - very few ever have

I have not worked as hard as Muhammad Ali at Boxing - very few ever have

I have not worked as hard as Ronnie O'Sullivan at Snooker - very few ever have

I have not worked as hard as Tiger Woods at Golf - very few ever have

Tens of thousands have worked as hard as all of them.

[Kilsby]

Kilsby:

the guy who coined the whole '10,000 hour rule', would you say basically he knows more than the rest of us so we should accept what he is saying that talent doesn't exist?

The evidence doesn't just point to this book.

Other scientific studies too
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/a ... ports.html

[Counter-puncher]

direct quote from Malcomn Gladwell, supposedly the '10,000 hour man':

The pivotal moment where Gladwell lays out his thesis, the nut graf if you will, is this:

The pivotal moment where Gladwell lays out his thesis, the nut graf if you will, is this:

“For almost a generation, psychologists around the world have been engaged in a spirited debate over a question that most of us would consider to have been settled years ago. The question is this: is there such a thing as innate talent? The obvious answer is yes. Not every hockey player born in January ends up playing at the professional level. Only some do—the innately talented ones. Achievement is tal­ent plus preparation. The problem with this view is that the closer psychologists look at the careers of the gifted, the smaller the role innate talent seems to play and the bigger the role preparation seems to play.” (pp. 37-38)

[Counter-puncher]

Other scientific studies too
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/books/a ... ports.html

and even more saying its bullsh1t

http://www.businessinsider.com/new-stud ... 014-7?IR=T

[Counter-puncher]

its excruciating watching non-competent parties trying to talk meta-theory.

[Counter-puncher]

Achievement is tal­ent plus preparation.

not that this will be heeded, but never mind.

[Counter-puncher]

https://www.newyorker.com/science/maria ... ke-perfect

rebutting Anders Ericson's theory. key quote:

So how much did practice actually explain? In a 2014 meta-analysis that looked specifically at the relationship between deliberate practice and performance in music, games like chess, sports, education, and other professions, Hambrick and his team found a relationship that was even more complex than they had expected. For some things, like games, practice explained about a quarter of variance in expertise. For music and sports, the explanatory power accounted for about a fifth. But for education and professions like computer science, military-aircraft piloting, and sales, the effect ranged from small to tiny. For all of these professions, you obviously need to practice, but natural abilities matter more.

What’s more, the explanatory power of practice fell even further when Hambrick took exact level of expertise into account. In sports—one of the areas in which deliberate practice seems to make the most difference—it turned out that the more advanced the athlete, the less of a role practice plays. Training an average athlete for a set number of hours yields far more results than training an élite athlete, which, in turn, yields greater results than training a super-élite athlete. Put differently, someone like me is going to improve a great deal with even a few hundred hours of training. But within an Olympic team tiny differences in performance are unlikely to be the result of training: these athletes train together, with the same coach, day in and day out. Those milliseconds come from somewhere else. Some may be due to the fact that genetic differences can account for some of the response to training. At Stanford’s ELITE study, which looks at the most accomplished athletes in the world, Euan Ashley, a professor of medicine and genetics, is studying how an Olympian’s body may respond differently to a given training regimen. Some changes are due to genetic variants that may affect blood transport or oxygen uptake or fat metabolism, or any other number of factors. Some are due to sheer luck—How much sleep did you get? How are you feeling? And some, of course, are due to hours of training. But at the top of the top of the top, the power of additional training falls off sharply.

[Terminator666]

Definitely need both talent and hard work- one of each will take you so far but two takes you further. Certain individuals definitely have an almost inborn talent for certain things- it’s then a case of if that talent is worked on to its fullest

[Sklar]

I've always viewed the word 'talent' as a euphemism for having the right genetic make-up for a particular discipline, to a greater or lesser degree. Practice is also required, obviously.

[Tony1244]

TALENT IS THE EXCUSE LAZY PEOPLE USE FOR NOT SUCCEEDING

What's the excuse for putting everything in CAPS?

[Boxerbeetle]

This thread again Load of absolute crap, as anyone with half a brain would know instantly.

[BitPlayer]

No, a lot of people just can't even handle the training elite athletes do, they'd just just injured. Hardwork and training to deal with your weakspots can do a lot, but talent matters too.

And no amount of training wwill give you Roy Jones Jr reflexes.

A lot of people that have been around them say often there is nonelite guys working way harder than the elites.

Do you not think reflexes can be honed? If not, then why do sprinters practice exploding out of the blocks?

To some extent, but natural ability is massive.

You're not going to go from 14s 100m to a sub 10s.

[Tanzio]

@kilsby

You are in your 30’s and you have just had an epiphany but your response to it is to act like you have missed the boat? Choose something and work your ass off to accomplish it. Or, are you just here to whine?

I'm here to whine - all my dreams are sporting, so mid 30s I appear to have missed the boat.

Unless I take up chess?

I'll just have to live out my dreams through my son

That is an excellent option. Please don’t be the dad that gets thrown out of the premisis and his son’s team disqualified though.

[Rexob]

You ever heard the saying "He's a natural"

That's when somebody has a natural knack for something even without being pushed to develop it. Those types when pushed to develop often become Elite at the thing they're "a natural" at.

There's a word for that. It's talent.

Most people don't see the dedication it takes to become "talented" at something.

[Rexob]

You ever heard the saying "He's a natural"

That's when somebody has a natural knack for something even without being pushed to develop it. Those types when pushed to develop often become Elite at the thing they're "a natural" at.

There's a word for that. It's talent.

Most people don't see the dedication it takes to become "talented" at something.

[gilgamesh]

You ever heard the saying "He's a natural"

That's when somebody has a natural knack for something even without being pushed to develop it. Those types when pushed to develop often become Elite at the thing they're "a natural" at.

There's a word for that. It's talent.

Most people don't see the dedication it takes to become "talented" at something.

No argument there. Elites at ANYTHING not just athletics, didn't just get there by accident. It takes a whole hell of a lot of work to be truly great at anything.