The Worst Heavyweight Title Holders Of All Time And Freaks

[Homicide Henry]

1. Marvin Hart
2. Tommy Burns alias Noah Brusso
3. Jess Willard (6'6'' and 250lbs)
4. Max Schmelling
5. Jack Sharkey
6. Primo Canera (270lbs 6'5")
7. Max Baer
8. Floyd Patterson
9. Ingemar Johansson
10. Sonny Liston
(These are of the Lineal Title Holders)

1. Mike Dokes
2. Gerrie Coetzee
3. John Tate
4. Greg Page (sorry to hear of his recent injury against Dale Crowe)
5. Pinklon Thomas
6. Buster Douglas (freak luck...all there is to it)
7. Shannon Briggs
8. Oliver McCall
9. Tommy Morrison (WBO)
10. Mike Weaver

The Freaks of The Boxing World:
1. Randall Tex Cobb (fought the best men of his day though)
2. Earnie 'Acorn' Shavers (fought the best and 'The Greatest')
3. Floyd Jumbo Cummings (hey he drew Joe Frazier)
4. Butterbean (no prime and at this rate...no future)
5. Everett Big Foot Martin (Fought the best men of his era, but rarely won)
6. Gogea Mitu (7'4" 362lbs...damn theres got to be some regulation now aint there? Super Heavyweight if anything)
7.Chuck Wepner (Rarely ever got to show his true potential)

[Guest]

Max Schmeling ?

for me he belongs more to the top ten of the BEST heavyweights of all time.


and i think you forgot James Braddock....for me he's the worst of all.
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[overhand_right]

1. Marvin Hart
2. Tommy Burns alias Noah Brusso
3. Jess Willard (6'6'' and 250lbs)
4. Max Schmelling
5. Jack Sharkey
6. Primo Canera (270lbs 6'5")
7. Max Baer
8. Floyd Patterson
9. Ingemar Johansson
10. Sonny Liston
(These are of the Lineal Title Holders)

1. Mike Dokes
2. Gerrie Coetzee
3. John Tate
4. Greg Page (sorry to hear of his recent injury against Dale Crowe)
5. Pinklon Thomas
6. Buster Douglas (freak luck...all there is to it)
7. Shannon Briggs
8. Oliver McCall
9. Tommy Morrison (WBO)
10. Mike Weaver

The Freaks of The Boxing World:
1. Randall Tex Cobb (fought the best men of his day though)
2. Earnie 'Acorn' Shavers (fought the best and 'The Greatest')
3. Floyd Jumbo Cummings (hey he drew Joe Frazier)
4. Butterbean (no prime and at this rate...no future)
5. Everett Big Foot Martin (Fought the best men of his era, but rarely won)
6. Gogea Mitu (7'4" 362lbs...damn theres got to be some regulation now aint there? Super Heavyweight if anything)
7.Chuck Wepner (Rarely ever got to show his true potential)

u dont know what youre talking about.

[Matt the Master]

1. Marvin Hart
2. Tommy Burns alias Noah Brusso
3. Jess Willard (6'6'' and 250lbs)
4. Max Schmelling
5. Jack Sharkey
6. Primo Canera (270lbs 6'5")
7. Max Baer
8. Floyd Patterson
9. Ingemar Johansson
10. Sonny Liston
(These are of the Lineal Title Holders)

1. Mike Dokes
2. Gerrie Coetzee
3. John Tate
4. Greg Page (sorry to hear of his recent injury against Dale Crowe)
5. Pinklon Thomas
6. Buster Douglas (freak luck...all there is to it)
7. Shannon Briggs
8. Oliver McCall
9. Tommy Morrison (WBO)
10. Mike Weaver

The Freaks of The Boxing World:
1. Randall Tex Cobb (fought the best men of his day though)
2. Earnie 'Acorn' Shavers (fought the best and 'The Greatest')
3. Floyd Jumbo Cummings (hey he drew Joe Frazier)
4. Butterbean (no prime and at this rate...no future)
5. Everett Big Foot Martin (Fought the best men of his era, but rarely won)
6. Gogea Mitu (7'4" 362lbs...damn theres got to be some regulation now aint there? Super Heavyweight if anything)
7.Chuck Wepner (Rarely ever got to show his true potential)

Buster Douglas's win over Mike Tyson "freak luck, all there was to it"

How can you call it 'freak luck' when Buster had taken everything Tyson could hit him with, including the kitchen sink !!! Douglas provided the blueprint on how to beat the pre incarceration Mike Tyson by refusing to be intimidated by him, his mother had just passed which would have been a factor as far as Buster's 'do or die' attitude was concerned, but regardless of where he found the inspiration to beat Tyson, he had it, and he produced a once in a life time performance partly as a result of that, nobody had EVER gone that distance with Tyson, and took as much punishment as he did (the only fighter who came anywhere near to standing up to as much punishment from Mike Tyson was Frank Bruno in their first fight together, when anyone tells me Frank had a weak chin, I ask them who else could have took that much punishment from Tyson while still on their feet, and Frank finished the fight on his feet with the referee intervening !) while also giving it back in spades up to that point, and once Buster was the first to do it, Tyson started to lose a lot more frequently (after serving his rape sentence) as Buster had provided the likes of Holyfield (who subsequently beat Douglas after he beat Tyson) the blueprint to beat him. There was a lot more to it than luck Mr Homicide, and freak luck it certainly was not !

As for Chuck Wepner, he fulfilled all the potential he was ever likely to achieve the moment he floored the greatest with that body shot...

[gilgamesh]

What a bizarre thread to resurrect.

Sonny Liston, Floyd Patterson and Max Schmeling mentioned among the Worst Heavyweight Title Holders of all time? Nonsense

[BoxBuzz]

HH was still wet behind the ears when he posted this.....he's learned a lot.

I'll bet he jumps right in and explains the errors of his younger ways any time now.

[Kalan]

1. Marvin Hart
2. Tommy Burns alias Noah Brusso
3. Jess Willard (6'6'' and 250lbs)
4. Max Schmelling
5. Jack Sharkey
6. Primo Canera (270lbs 6'5")
7. Max Baer
8. Floyd Patterson
9. Ingemar Johansson
10. Sonny Liston
(These are of the Lineal Title Holders)

1. Mike Dokes
2. Gerrie Coetzee
3. John Tate
4. Greg Page (sorry to hear of his recent injury against Dale Crowe)
5. Pinklon Thomas
6. Buster Douglas (freak luck...all there is to it)
7. Shannon Briggs
8. Oliver McCall
9. Tommy Morrison (WBO)
10. Mike Weaver

The worst were Jess Willard... Michael Bentt... Tommy Morrison... Marvin Hart... Tommy Burns... Ernie Terrell... Joe Walcott... Leon Spinks... Jimmy Braddock...and Ingemar Johannson ... And I have no interest in freaks.

Though Buster Douglas refused to train hard or control his appetite for the most part -- when he DID get ready for a fight he displayed superior skills and speed... For Tyson he was at his best because he knew he could win... It's a matter of self belief and putting the work in.

He showed what he could do all along if he wanted ... boxing with durability, endurance, speed, power, and skill... Pretty amazing.

Then he fell off the wagon for good before his next fight.

[Boxing Writer]

1. Marvin Hart
2. Tommy Burns alias Noah Brusso
3. Jess Willard (6'6'' and 250lbs)
4. Max Schmelling
5. Jack Sharkey
6. Primo Canera (270lbs 6'5")
7. Max Baer
8. Floyd Patterson
9. Ingemar Johansson
10. Sonny Liston
(These are of the Lineal Title Holders)

LOL - Schmeling, Patterson, Baer, Liston are worse than Rahman and Briggs in your opinion?

[DrDuke]

The list is pretty awkward. There're some really good boxers in it. While there's no John Ruiz or Valuev, for example.

[Syntax Error]

What a bizarre thread to resurrect.

Sonny Liston, Floyd Patterson and Max Schmeling mentioned among the Worst Heavyweight Title Holders of all time? Nonsense

Tell me about it.

I was about to post the "where's Charles Martin?" line, when I realised the thread was actually 15 years old!

I don't usually have a problem with old threads being resurrected as long as they're still relevant.

The relevance of this thread ceased many moons ago.

[BoxBuzz]

The relevance may return If/when HH chimes in on what he has learned in 15 years.

[gilgamesh]

What a bizarre thread to resurrect.

Sonny Liston, Floyd Patterson and Max Schmeling mentioned among the Worst Heavyweight Title Holders of all time? Nonsense

Tell me about it.

I was about to post the "where's Charles Martin?" line, when I realised the thread was actually 15 years old!

I don't usually have a problem with old threads being resurrected as long as they're still relevant.

The relevance of this thread ceased many moons ago.

And it was dog sh*t in the first place

[Kalan]

Douglas provided the blueprint on how to beat the pre incarceration Mike Tyson by refusing to be intimidated by him, his mother had just passed which would have been a factor as far as Buster's 'do or die' attitude was concerned, but regardless of where he found the inspiration to beat Tyson, he had it, and he produced a once in a life time performance partly as a result of that, nobody had EVER gone that distance with Tyson, and took as much punishment as he did

Tony Tucker went the distance with Tyson and took more punishment than Douglas did..... Douglas was also beating Tucker but ran out of gas because he was poorly conditioned as usual.... Tucker didn't outskill Douglas he outlasted him.

Before the Tyson-Tucker fight Douglas predicted Tyson would win in 2 rounds.... As Douglas watched the fight he was amazed that Tucker could take Tyson's punch.... This website has Tucker's weight at 221 but he was 223 - which isn't real big... Not as big as Douglas---but he was absorbing everything Tyson nailed him with... After that fight Buster started telling everyone who would listen "I know I can beat Mike Tyson." .... Even his friends thought he was whacked -- and that Teed Douglas off even more.... When you know you can do something and nobody believes in you.??? You get pissed.

[Matt the Master]

Douglas provided the blueprint on how to beat the pre incarceration Mike Tyson by refusing to be intimidated by him, his mother had just passed which would have been a factor as far as Buster's 'do or die' attitude was concerned, but regardless of where he found the inspiration to beat Tyson, he had it, and he produced a once in a life time performance partly as a result of that, nobody had EVER gone that distance with Tyson, and took as much punishment as he did

Tony Tucker went the distance with Tyson and took more punishment than Douglas did..... Douglas was also beating Tucker but ran out of gas because he was poorly conditioned as usual.... Tucker didn't outskill Douglas he outlasted him.

Before the Tyson-Tucker fight Douglas predicted Tyson would win in 2 rounds.... As Douglas watched the fight he was amazed that Tucker could take Tyson's punch.... This website has Tucker's weight at 221 but he was 223 - which isn't real big... Not as big as Douglas---but he was absorbing everything Tyson nailed him with... After that fight Buster started telling everyone who would listen "I know I can beat Mike Tyson." .... Even his friends thought he was whacked -- and that Teed Douglas off even more.... When you know you can do something and nobody believes in you.??? You get pissed.

Great info ! Thanks

[Matt the Master]

The relevance may return If/when HH chimes in on what he has learned in 15 years.

Homo cide Henry ! What a spaz !

[Caractacus]

Abe Simon.
(There used to be a link to an article he did for ESQUIRE magazine
entitled "I could't Take it". which was a really interesting read.

[Caractacus]

Jack O'Halloran.

[Caractacus]

Oscar Bonavena

[Tony1244]

With all due respect these are 2 of the most inaccurate lists on any subject I have ever seen.

The errors have been pointed out but some bear repeating. Schmeling, Sharkey and Baer were excellent HWs.

Douglas did a little more than luck that night. Page's injury? He died. What an understatement. Go back to school, bro.

[Crease]

Those are VERY sketchy lists... There have been some very limited boxers to hold one of the World Heavyweight Championships.

With a bit of research behind me, I'm going to throw out a few characters who I believe are practically guarantees for any worst top 10 Heavyweights list.

Marvin Hart (nowhere near as celebrated as some of the early Heavyweight Champs. It's really hard to find a good report on him compared to the likes of Sullivan, Corbett or Jeffries)

Francesco Damiani (the very 1st WBO Champ at the end of the 80s)
Because of his cowardice in not fighting the Number One of his time, the Italian will forever be remembered as the man who ducked Mike Tyson. He beat a nobody for the vacant WBO Heavyweight Championship, he had a few defenses against nobodies then lost to Ray Mercer.
After a couple more easy wins and noteworthy victory over an old Greg Page, he was finally shut up for good by Oliver McCall.

Michael Bentt (WBO Champ in the mid 90s)
Ko'd by Herbie Hide. Had a single good victory over Tommy Morrison. But the rest of his career previous to that fight were all lower tier opponents and not really worthy of note.

Bruce Seldon (WBA Champ in the later 90s)
Practically every single time he faced a good opponent, he was defeated. He has losses to McCall, Bowe, Tubbs, Tyson, Tye Fields & Kevin Johnson. He had 2 significant victories and they were to old versions of Greg Page & Tony Tucker in the mid 90s. When anyone in their right minds who categorise Tucker & Page as Heavyweight Champs of the '80s.

Sergei Lyakhovich (WBO Champ in the mid 00s)
One good win against Lamon Brewster got him the title. But since then consecutive lossess to Briggs, Valuev - then later losses to Robert Helenius, Bryant Jennings, Deontay Wilder and Andy Ruiz Jr.
Basically, every time he faced someone who could be called a good opponent, he lost.

Charles Martin (IBF Champ before AJ)
Martin won his World Championship because of an ankle injury to his opponent, fortune smiled on him that night. Since then he has defeated two lower-tier opponents and has done nothing of note.

[Crease]

Marvin Hart
Francesco Damiani
Michael Bentt
Bruce Seldon
Sergei Lyakhovich
Charles Martin

Imagine for a moment that you were a World Heavyweight Champion.

Looking at that list, I doubt that many Champions would have cause for sleepless nights when considering the prospect of facing any of that lot.

[Caractacus]

what was wrong with Francesco Damiani ?
His name always seems to appear in these type of threads.

[MrGuy]

Any title holder not named V. Klitschko since Lewis retired.

[Boxing Writer]

Any title holder not named V. Klitschko since Lewis retired.

LOL. Wlad, Haye, Byrd, Ibragimov, Joshua are worse than Seldon in your opinion?

[MrGuy]

Any title holder not named V. Klitschko since Lewis retired.

LOL. Wlad, Haye, Byrd, Ibragimov, Joshua are worse than Seldon in your opinion?

Outside the elder Kitschko the guys since Lewis have been dreadful. . Nationalism wont keep me from saying Seldon was bad. Just like it shouldn't keep anyone from across the pond from acknowledging other than Vitali, things have been awful.