Year end p4p list FUTURE

[Mexi-Box]

Judging the current p4p list is to easy, i will predict future as always.

Loma is gonne win, but both are on another league, just better than GGG or crawford. Inoue has the talent to be part of the god level league but he fights nobody.

By 31 december this is how the p4p top 20 will look like.

1. Lomachenko
2. Rigondeaux
3. Crawford
4. GGG
5. Inoue
6. Spence
7. Wangek
8. Canelo
9. Thurman
10. Usyk

11. Estrada
12. Gonzales
13. Mikey
14. LSC
15. Gvozdyk
16. Joshua
17. Jacobs
18. Bertebiev
19. Charlo
20. Eubank

Dog-vomit p4p list. Eubank Jr. top 20, Spence top 10 lol. Spence isn't p4p. Any list including him is laughable.

[Jip]

Judging the current p4p list is to easy, i will predict future as always.

Loma is gonne win, but both are on another league, just better than GGG or crawford. Inoue has the talent to be part of the god level league but he fights nobody.

By 31 december this is how the p4p top 20 will look like.

1. Lomachenko
2. Rigondeaux
3. Crawford
4. GGG
5. Inoue
6. Spence
7. Wangek
8. Canelo
9. Thurman
10. Usyk

11. Estrada
12. Gonzales
13. Mikey
14. LSC
15. Gvozdyk
16. Joshua
17. Jacobs
18. Bertebiev
19. Charlo
20. Eubank

Dog-vomit p4p list. Eubank Jr. top 20, Spence top 10 lol. Spence isn't p4p. Any list including him is laughable.

Yeah spence is just arguably the best us boxer since floyd, how can he be on a p4p is ludacris

[gilgamesh]

Calling Spence the best U.S. boxer since Floyd as of this moment is definitely jumping the gun. The kid has a lot of potential, but let's not anoint him with Legend status before he's earned it.

I think the chances are high that he'll be one of the sports P4P best, and one of the true Elite operators in the sport. But he ain't quite there yet. Though I'd currently favor him over every Welterweight at the moment.

[Mexi-Box]

Judging the current p4p list is to easy, i will predict future as always.

Loma is gonne win, but both are on another league, just better than GGG or crawford. Inoue has the talent to be part of the god level league but he fights nobody.

By 31 december this is how the p4p top 20 will look like.

1. Lomachenko
2. Rigondeaux
3. Crawford
4. GGG
5. Inoue
6. Spence
7. Wangek
8. Canelo
9. Thurman
10. Usyk

11. Estrada
12. Gonzales
13. Mikey
14. LSC
15. Gvozdyk
16. Joshua
17. Jacobs
18. Bertebiev
19. Charlo
20. Eubank

Dog-vomit p4p list. Eubank Jr. top 20, Spence top 10 lol. Spence isn't p4p. Any list including him is laughable.

Yeah spence is just arguably the best us boxer since floyd, how can he be on a p4p is ludacris

His only real win is Brook. I wouldn't even favor him over Crawford. He's 50-50 with Thurman and Porter.

[gilgamesh]

I'd favor him over Thurman or Porter, but they're not guaranteed wins over anything.

I think him against Crawford will be one of the biggest fights to be made in Boxing in a few years time.

[jamamb]

still dont buy that wangek is p4p 10. got roman at right time and weight. already lostt to cuadras and estrada and inoue would beat him. yafai great chance too.

Shows how clueless you are.

ya, your so hip for thinking that was a robbery

[Mexi-Box]

still dont buy that wangek is p4p 10. got roman at right time and weight. already lostt to cuadras and estrada and inoue would beat him. yafai great chance too.

Shows how clueless you are.

ya, your so hip for thinking that was a robbery

You've obviously not seen the fight or else you'd know what I'm talking about.

[Jip]

Dog-vomit p4p list. Eubank Jr. top 20, Spence top 10 lol. Spence isn't p4p. Any list including him is laughable.

Yeah spence is just arguably the best us boxer since floyd, how can he be on a p4p is ludacris

His only real win is Brook. I wouldn't even favor him over Crawford. He's 50-50 with Thurman and Porter.

Listen mexi clueless.

P4p means who beats who at the same weight.
P4p means. Who are the best boxer libra par libra.

P4p doesnt mean, which boxer has or had the best record. Paulie malignaggi fought more top opponents and has a more impressiv record than errol spence but only a dumbasd would say just because his record is better paulie must be better than errol.

Spence is easily one if the 10 best boxer on earth, if not top 3.

[Mexi-Box]

Yeah spence is just arguably the best us boxer since floyd, how can he be on a p4p is ludacris

His only real win is Brook. I wouldn't even favor him over Crawford. He's 50-50 with Thurman and Porter.

Listen mexi clueless.

P4p means who beats who at the same weight.
P4p means. Who are the best boxer libra par libra.

P4p doesnt mean, which boxer has or had the best record. Paulie malignaggi fought more top opponents and has a more impressiv record than errol spence but only a dumbasd would say just because his record is better paulie must be better than errol.

Spence is easily one if the 10 best boxer on earth, if not top 3.

No. You're not only completely clueless, your arguments are garbage.

[Jip]

His only real win is Brook. I wouldn't even favor him over Crawford. He's 50-50 with Thurman and Porter.

Listen mexi clueless.

P4p means who beats who at the same weight.
P4p means. Who are the best boxer libra par libra.

P4p doesnt mean, which boxer has or had the best record. Paulie malignaggi fought more top opponents and has a more impressiv record than errol spence but only a dumbasd would say just because his record is better paulie must be better than errol.

Spence is easily one if the 10 best boxer on earth, if not top 3.

No. You're not only completely clueless, your arguments are garbage.

It aint arguments. They are facts.

You just never understood the meaning of p4p

[gilgamesh]

Yeah spence is just arguably the best us boxer since floyd, how can he be on a p4p is ludacris

His only real win is Brook. I wouldn't even favor him over Crawford. He's 50-50 with Thurman and Porter.

Listen mexi clueless.

P4p means who beats who at the same weight.
P4p means. Who are the best boxer libra par libra.

P4p doesnt mean, which boxer has or had the best record. Paulie malignaggi fought more top opponents and has a more impressiv record than errol spence but only a dumbasd would say just because his record is better paulie must be better than errol.

Spence is easily one if the 10 best boxer on earth, if not top 3.

If you actually wanna get technical about it P4P doesn't mean a damn thing except for the meaning that we as individuals give it. The reality is the Featherweight Champion ain't gotta beat up the Middleweight Champion, The Welterweight Champion ain't gonna beat up the Cruiserweight Champion and so on.

It was just a term they made up to attract the casual folk to the importance of the smaller fighters. It's worked. For the longest time if it wasn't a Heavyweight Championship fight there's no way it could ever draw the kinda money or anywhere near the level of interest that the modern PPV megafights do. The invention, and cultivation of the idea of P4P is what helped make lucrative careers like Leonard's and De La Hoya's and Mayweather's possible.

I appreciate it's existence because it gives the smaller guys more notoriety and attention, but people go too crazy with the importance of it. In truth it's just a fun little game Boxing fans like to play, and nothing more.

[Jip]

His only real win is Brook. I wouldn't even favor him over Crawford. He's 50-50 with Thurman and Porter.

Listen mexi clueless.

P4p means who beats who at the same weight.
P4p means. Who are the best boxer libra par libra.

P4p doesnt mean, which boxer has or had the best record. Paulie malignaggi fought more top opponents and has a more impressiv record than errol spence but only a dumbasd would say just because his record is better paulie must be better than errol.

Spence is easily one if the 10 best boxer on earth, if not top 3.

If you actually wanna get technical about it P4P doesn't mean a damn thing except for the meaning that we as individuals give it. The reality is the Featherweight Champion ain't gotta beat up the Middleweight Champion, The Welterweight Champion ain't gonna beat up the Cruiserweight Champion and so on.

It was just a term they made up to attract the casual folk to the importance of the smaller fighters. It's worked. For the longest time if it wasn't a Heavyweight Championship fight there's no way it could ever draw the kinda money or anywhere near the level of interest that the modern PPV megafights do. The invention, and cultivation of the idea of P4P is what helped make lucrative careers like Leonard's and De La Hoya's and Mayweather's possible.

I appreciate it's existence because it gives the smaller guys more notoriety and attention, but people go too crazy with the importance of it. In truth it's just a fun little game Boxing fans like to play, and nothing more.

No. Not correct. It is not a term that we as individuals can give as we please.

The term is specific. It all started with sugar ray robinson. Media, people said he was so damn good, that regardless of weight he was the best boxer in the world, p4p. Would in the imagination srr face a light heavyweight and sugar and the light heavyweight boxer would be at the same weight, than weight be no issue and the better boxer, the one with the better physical abilities and technique would win. Since srr was regarded as the boxer with the best physical atributes and elite technique therefore he was considered the best boxer in the world p4p.

[gilgamesh]

I know why it was invented, and if you pay attention to my post you'll realize I explained what you're trying to explain to me already. Only better.

[Jip]

I know why it was invented, and if you pay attention to my post you'll realize I explained what you're trying to explain to me already. Only better.

No.

It started with sugar. Bottum line. You said nothing of that.

You said that p4p is a term anybody can make of it what they want to make of it. Which simply is not true.

You cant they p4p is whatever you want to make out of it when there is 1 definition. 1+1 is 2, cant never be 3. For a 30+ year old you seem realy stubborn and stupid arguing like a child even so you wrong.

[gilgamesh]

I know it was first coined in reference to Sugar Ray Robinson, and you're right I didn't say anything of that, but the rest of my point was valid. Some look at P4P as "Who looks like the best fighter to me" some look at it as "Who's the most accomplished fighter in the sport". Often the two meet up.

[Jip]

And they are wrong.

The original meaning is what is important and that is who beats who at the same weight.

Everything else is not the original meaning of p4p.

Who achieved the most in his pro career.
That is the question plausible for answers like Armstrong, langford and grebb since they had many fights and fought a lot of garbage but also a lot of good opponents. Tgey had long and very good careers.

Who are the best boxer ever p4p.
That is a different question. It is only a question about quality not career. Prime jones is 10 times a better boxer than langford ever was, but langford had way more fights and achievemants so you could say he had a better career.

I focus on quality. Than you have the rare cases of elite quality and elite career like pacquiao or leonard. One climbed around 10 divisions fought the best axhieved greatness while having blinding speed exceptional footwork. The other had only 40 fights, but faced such top opponents besides being athleticly gifted suoerbly fast and accurate flawless. Thats why boxers like this are in my top 10 atg p4p

[Jip]

Did you start watching vids of old atg saad?

I am. Gans, armstrong, williams, charles...everybody. I want to have a clear view on atg of the past & today.

[Andrew]

[Jip]

Saad. How did you like the loma rigo fight. What you think?