Prime Riddick Bowe vs. a Prime Lennox Lewis? ------

[BoxBuzz]

Once again you are operating at about a 50/50 bullshit ratio. Half wrong half sorta right.....the kicker question always is....do you know which half is which?

Bowe began to decompensate rather quickly, he was one who seemed to be particularly susceptible to head injuries....we were all witness to his neuro system devolution as he moved forward in his career.....his speech was a giveaway, as well as his reflexes.....Lewis on the other hand had a much better ability to absorb and not be affected. I am a head injury specialist....and know a little about this subject. (But certainly not as much as you.....because you are the worlds foremost authority.)

This is why I often speak about Bowe's "Nanosecond" peak. Besides Lewis, Duran is another fighter who seemed totaly insulated from the dreaded "punch drunk syndrome" some fighters fall victim to.

You, however are a master of subterfuge and confusion, you gargle, garble and gobble and put out a pretty unique doubletalk act, which I for one am a fan of, because it forces me to look stuff up in order to truly appreciate your brand of humor.

[Kalan]

Face it... You're so limited you have to look everything up.

As a head injury specialist you should have a better idea why Bowe had a nanosecond peak and 10-minute prime.. Traumatic Brain Injuries my friend.. TBI.. He endured a lot of blunt force trauma to the head in the form of swings arriving at various angles that couldn't miss him and rocked his brain -- causing the damage. He was one of the worst defenders ever. Worse than Ali who also suffered irreversible brain damage.

Of course if Bowe had the courage to fight punchers like: Tua, Tyson, Ruddock, Mercer, McCall, and Lewis it would have been 10 times worse – and he'd have about as much cognitive power left as you do – which would really be tragic for him.

Lewis was a much better defender... He wiped out incompetents like Golota in a minute or 2 -- and without taking a meaningful punch.

That's why he's doing okay and can still play chess at a high level -- while Bowe couldn't play checkers with a 5th grader.

[BoxBuzz]

Well, your guess is your bible in this case....but it's nothing but a guess.

My guess however has some education behind it...AND it's still a guess, BUT I'm more qualified to guess than you.

It's not easily knowable WHY Bowe demonstrated these symptoms ....it COULD be...as you say....because he took so much devastating incoming.

OR it could be that he was more susceptible. YOU don't know.....but MY guess is a better more qualified, well rounded, civil, thoughtful, and meaningful and a more lovable and respectable guess than yours.

But....at the end of the day....your guess is as good as mine. And apparently MUCH better from your point of view.

[Kalan]

It's not easily knowable WHY Bowe demonstrated these symptoms ....it COULD be...as you say....because he took so much devastating incoming.
OR it could be that he was more susceptible.

If you knew anything about Boxing (you don't) you'd know Bowe was very easy to hit -- and Lewis was a better and smarter defender.

But I agree with you.. Lewis was also physically tougher, and less susceptible to brain trauma... He could absorb punches a lot better than Bowe.. That is another feather in Lewis's cap and another demerit for Bowe.. The ability to absorb a punch is as fortunate as any other gift.

[BoxBuzz]

How can you say with a straight face that I know so little about boxing? I've read everything you've contributed here......so how is it possible that I know so little.....oh....wait......never mind.....I've answered my own question.


I've got to start to thinking more deeply and seriously......you almost had me there. But I honestly don't agree with you. It just doesn't add up. How can simply reading what you say make me less understanding of this sport?

[BoxBuzz]

It's not easily knowable WHY Bowe demonstrated these symptoms ....it COULD be...as you say....because he took so much devastating incoming.
OR it could be that he was more susceptible.

I agree with you..

You are beginning to show promise.

[Kalan]

But I didn't agree with your context... You were doing your best to make excuses for Bowe... Instead of blaming his terrible defense for his early demise -- you choose to blame his lack of facility to absorb hard driven blows to the head without incurring neurological damage.

And instead of commending Lewis for having a good defense -- you're trying to blame his longevity on his physical resiliency.

[BoxBuzz]

Well I'm implying that those dynamics can not be ignored....I'm not saying they are the whole ball game. They are significant dynamics to be factored in.

[Kalan]

Significant dynamics that all add up to making Lewis a significantly better Heavyweight who was willing and able to KO Bowe.

Bowe wasn't willing to to share a ring...because he wasn't able to compete with world class, big, tall, powerful punchers.

[BoxBuzz]

Now your using your imagination.......which isn't always a bad thing.....like creating art...or a work of fiction.

But it's harder to use it to accurately map out the sort of assumption you are making here.

And yet.....there you go again.

[Flump]

Face it... You're so limited you have to look everything up.

As a head injury specialist you should have a better idea why Bowe had a nanosecond peak and 10-minute prime.. Traumatic Brain Injuries my friend.. TBI.. He endured a lot of blunt force trauma to the head in the form of swings arriving at various angles that couldn't miss him and rocked his brain -- causing the damage. He was one of the worst defenders ever. Worse than Ali who also suffered irreversible brain damage.

Of course if Bowe had the courage to fight punchers like: Tua, Tyson, Ruddock, Mercer, McCall, and Lewis it would have been 10 times worse – and he'd have about as much cognitive power left as you do – which would really be tragic for him.

Lewis was a much better defender... He wiped out incompetents like Golota in a minute or 2 -- and without taking a meaningful punch.

That's why he's doing okay and can still play chess at a high level -- while Bowe couldn't play checkers with a 5th grader.

You know I always defend Americans when told that they don't get irony. You are making things difficult for me Kalan...

[Kalan]

Now your using your imagination.......which isn't always a bad thing.....like creating art...or a work of fiction.

But it's harder to use it to accurately map out the sort of assumption you are making here.

And yet.....there you go again

I don't make assumptions BuzzBox... YOU do... You're assuming Bowe and qualities an abilities that he lacked... You're assuming Lewis lacked qualities and abilities that he possessed in spades... You're assuming Bowe wasn't ducking Lewis when he trashed his Title Belt... You're assuming the respective showings Golota had with Bowe and Lewis weren't real or material to any discussion... You assume too much old fart-for-brains.. Therefore the fiction writer here is YOU George Borewell.

[BoxBuzz]

Now your using your imagination.......which isn't always a bad thing.....like creating art...or a work of fiction.

But it's harder to use it to accurately map out the sort of assumption you are making here.

And yet.....there you go again

I don't make assumptions BuzzBox... YOU do... You're assuming Bowe and qualities an abilities that he lacked... You're assuming Lewis lacked qualities and abilities that he possessed in spades... You're assuming Bowe wasn't ducking Lewis when he trashed his Title Belt... You're assuming the respective showings Golota had with Bowe and Lewis weren't real or material to any discussion... You assume too much old fart-for-brains.. Therefore the fiction writer here is YOU George Borewell.

On many occasions you have appeared to be in error. But there has never been a single occasion where you have been in doubt. Do you have access to the Akashik record? It's the only explanation..... However if that is true, and you do have access, I have to re think all of this...because if this is true.....then you have indeed, never been in error. And everyone else who has held an opinion contrary to your own, owes you a slew of respectful and heart felt apologies.

Once I determine that you have indeed had such access, I will lead the way and be the first in line on the apology tour.

Until then.....many of the things you say (as Willie Nelson would say) ...."ain't necessarily so".


E.G.

*Duran having a lesser boxing skillset than Vitali
*Valero being among the best of the best pound for pound
*Armstrong unlikely to beat Curly from the 3 Stooges in a fair fight ( We all know Curly's head was well beyond even Hagler's in terms of being invincible.)

I could continue....but I know you will just insult me, and think less of me for being so pompous. When really all I'm being is bombastic.

[Kalan]

How can you say with a straight face that I know so little about boxing? I've read everything you've contributed here......so how is it possible that I know so little?

Cuz you're one of those slow klunks who doesn't retain anything you've been told once or a thousand times... Have you ever heard the phrase "If I told you once, I told you a thousand times" ??? ... With folks like you it goes in one ear -- and out the other.

[Kalan]

Armstrong unlikely to beat Curly from the 3 Stooges in a fair fight

There you go putting words in my mouth again.. I never said Valero would beat Duran, who I consider the best Lightweight to date. But I would certainly expect Duran and Valero to easily beat Arsmstrong without even trying -- because they were more skilled and didn't accept defeat as easily as Armstrong did.. Armstrong was super easy to hit and lost 10 fights in his first 10 years as a pro.

Whenever Armstrong met a good puncher like Ray Robinson or Beau Jack, he didn't do much but imitate a punching bag.

[BoxBuzz]

Armstrong unlikely to beat Curly from the 3 Stooges in a fair fight

I would certainly expect Duran and Valero to easily beat Arsmstrong without even trying

Without even trying? What turnip truck did you just fall off of?

So like Willie Pep they win rounds without throwing a single punch at Armstrong? Did you or one of your cousins start that rumor about Pep?

[Kalan]

Armstrong unlikely to beat Curly from the 3 Stooges in a fair fight

I would certainly expect Duran and Valero to easily beat Arsmstrong without even trying

Without even trying? What turnip truck did you just fall off of?

So like Willie Pep they win rounds without throwing a single punch at Armstrong? Did you ... start that rumor about Pep?

You should eliminate a fraction of your white space... Like the bubbles in your brain it takes up a lot area with no content.

Ray Robinson didn't try to hurt Armstrong... The fight was loudly booed because Armstrong refused to throw punches and Robinson wanted to treat his buddy with kid gloves... Were they best buds??? ... But Robinson won easily without even trying and I'm sure anybody of his caliber would have done the same.. With Basilio beating a full blown Middleweight Robinson that certainly puts Duran in that mix.. And since Armstrong lost to guys like Davey Abad in their rematch -- when HA had almost 50 fights and since Abad won about half of his fights -- I'm quite sure Valero also fits in that mix.

[Crease]

Prime for Prime, it would have been a very close fight.

Problem with this is - there was never a point in history were both men were in their primes at the same time, Bowe matured much faster than Lennox and so he reached the top first, but he also faded much quicker than Lewis.

[Kalan]

Lewis beat Bowe for Olympic Gold and would have beaten him any time... He was a better boxer and puncher.... Bowe faded was because he absorbed too many pokey punches upside the head from slow, clumsy swingers like Golota...

Lewis beat extremely sharp hitters like Tua, Tyson, Mercer, and McCall who would have flattened Bowe the ducker... Lewis dispatched slow, clumsy swingers like Golota, Ruddock, and Grant in a round or 2.... Ruddock and Grant might have beaten Bowe... They were anxious to fight Riddick if he weren't so scared of big, tall, heavy hitters.

Had Bowe fought the punchers Lewis fought he'd have been out of the game sooner... Lewis kept improving through his mid 30's like the Klitschko Bros did and Anthony Joshua will.... They were all extremely disciplined about progressively improving their skills, strength, and conditioning ..... taking a Floyd Mayweather like analytical approach to Boxing... And making sure they had the right coaching if they thought they had any flaws to iron out.

Many talented boxers take an "I don't really feel like training today or sticking to my nutrition plan" attitude... Raw talent doesn't assure success -- as you saw with Buster Douglas and Tyson Fury with their “I could GAF less” approach..

[Kalan]

Old-N-Moldie you have nothing but flatulent between your ears... Every time you shake your stupid head to clear out the cobwebs hoots fly out of your ears and your brain fogs up again..

Rahman landed a lottery shot just as Lewis claimed he did... That's the primary reason Lewis lost... Lewis was a little soft, but he could beat Rahman standing on his head... That was the primary reason he came in a little soft for that one.

Lewis was extremely disciplined and worked very hard at improving his craft over many years... Compared to the inept Bowe, who was so easy to hit it was ridiculous, Lewis was a saint in that regard... He trained for months for a Heavyweight Championship Fight before he fought Klitschko.... Vitali trained for less than 2-weeks for a Heavyweight Championship Fight because he was a very late substitute for Kirk Johnson.... Despite that, Vitali was winning the Lewis fight on all scorecards after 6, when the fight was stopped on cuts inflicted by foul blows from Lewis... If the fight went to the scorecards as it should have Vitali wins a Unanimous Technical Decision.

The fouling bastard Lewis was booed out of the arena and Klitschko was cheered out... Vitali effectively retired Lewis, who never fought again... Vitali fought to age 41 -- fighting a dozen more World Title Fights and winning them all.

[BoxBuzz]

Who knew longitudinal and latitudinal lines had such impact on DNA as well as attitudinal aspects of the human persona.

[Kalan]

I KNOW Lewis used to disappear from training camps whenever it suited him, chasing girls ( when he was single ) and having a tipple, and it used to drive Steward to distraction. I also KNOW the Maloney family have a reputation for hard drinking, but when Lewis went drinking with them ( Brandy, or Champagne ) on his limited occasions they couldn't live with the guy.

Like I said not EVERY fighter is an attention seeking knobhead Yank who has to smash up bars / clubs, or batter some poor sop in a car park whenever they go drinking

So I guess you're the resident expert on Lennox Lewis and know all about him.... At least you know all the gossip about Lewis that goes into the tabloids .... Funny how somebody who disappears from training camp whenever he pleases.... chasing after women.... have tipples.... getting drunk on Brandy and Champagne to the extent that the hard drinking Maloney family members can't live with him ..... and driving HOF trainer Emmanuel Steward up a wall with his antics.

Hmmm... Such an undisciplined individual not only becomes an Olympic Gold Medal winner and the best Heavyweight of the 1990's.... He easily outlasts Tyson, Holyfield, and Bowe at the top of the division... Nice going for such a slacker.

You also have friends who will interview Lewis at Olympic Stadium at your behest -- and ask him about a Yank who seems to know all about him....and get a reply from Lewis that you'll bet good money on is exactly what he'll say.

Yup ..... You ARE Walter Mitty.

[tennessee]

Bowe had all that size and talent, but was scared of Lewis. Why didn't chicken bowe cross the road? Cause he knew he'd get run over.

[Ambling Alp II]

Bowe was not chicken.
Bowe signed to fight Lewis for the title before Lewis fought McCall. Lewis lost to McCall so the deal fell through.

[Kalan]

Well... what would be wrong with fighting Lewis anyway?? It's still a damned big fight - like Dempsey-Sharkey after the Mauler lost to Tunney by a million miles... It was still a big deal... Sharkey was next in line if he beat Tunney anyway.

And what about Bowe fighting McCall??? ... He was the Heavyweight Champion.... The truth is Bowe wouldn't fight big punchers: Lewis... McCall... Mercer... Ruddock... Tua... Tyson... If they could hit like Hell Lewis wanted to fight them...

Bowe Diddly didn't.