Roy Jones Jr. vs. Chris Byrd - 2003

Who wins?

Jones - Decision
10
59%
Jones - KO/TKO
1
6%
DRAW
0
No votes
Byrd - KO/TKO
1
6%
Byrd - Decision
5
29%
 
Total votes: 17

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Roy Jones Jr. vs. Chris Byrd - 2003

Post by Ruthless-RKO »

I remember playing Fight Night 2004 on my PlayStation 2 a long time ago (10 years ago)..

Roy Jones was my favourite boxer in the game.. I used to have him fight Byrd all the time, in the game, Byrd used to move more than he did in real life, and was always hard to catch.

Last few days, it just got me thinking..

After Jones beat Ruiz in 2003, he won the WBA title and held a record of (48-1, 38 KOs).. He was 34 at the time..

At the same time, Byrd was the new IBF champion, holding a record of (36-2, 20 KOs).. He would have been around 32/33 years old..

* Jones weighed 193 pounds for his HW fight, I believe on fight night, he weight 198 pounds.
* Byrd usually weighed around 210-215 pounds around 2003/4..

When Jones won the WBA title, there was talks that he should fight Mike Tyson (correct me anyone if i'm wrong). He picked Ruiz, simply because he wasn't the biggest heavyweight champion and he wasn't named Lennox Lewis..

What if he stuck around at HW? What if had a chance to unify the WBA and IBF titles.. Now i'm not sure if there was any mandatories due, conflicts or any promotional issues at the time.. So what if, this fight .....

Image

happened in 2003 or 2004??..

Who would win and why?
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Re: Roy Jones Jr. vs. Chris Byrd - 2003

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I'm recalling Byrd being receptive......

So some folks are going to say "not enough money" for Jones to say yes.

But.....if you are looking for why this did not happen.....Look no further than RJjr
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Re: Roy Jones Jr. vs. Chris Byrd - 2003

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I think Roy could've beaten Byrd in 2003, but it would've been close. I think it would've been a chess match where the winner...be it Roy or Byrd would have only eked out the decision by a narrow margin.
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Re: Roy Jones Jr. vs. Chris Byrd - 2003

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Chris Byrd was a very slick boxer and feather hitter. He controlled David Tua for his best win. He was miles behind Vitali Klitschko and lucked out with an injury retirement W -- and he got mauled, hammered, and stopped in his prime by his top opponents Walimir Klitschko and Ike Ibeabuchi.

Roy Jones was arguably never out-boxed or out punched in his prime. It depends on if you think 35 was the demarcation line, but for his 1st 50 fights Jones was a tough man to beat because of his speed, power, and finesse. He had flaws, but his speed covered for them.

Byrd was a southpaw.. It can be argued that a tall southpaw was the best style to beat Roy, but I think that's more a puncher like Tarver.. I think it's a really tough and maybe an even fight for 3 or 4 rounds -- and Roy takes over and starts bullying Brd.. 116-112 Roy if he did a similar preparation as he did for Ruiz.. If Byrd could punch he would have been a real threat to Roy, but he just didn't bring the power.. You had to respect Roy's power, even at Heavyweight. Though he wasn't a banger at that weight he had more oomph than Byrd.
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Re: Roy Jones Jr. vs. Chris Byrd - 2003

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I think if he had once defence of the WBA title, or went for a unification with Byrd, It would have legitimized his reign as heavyweight champion.
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Re: Roy Jones Jr. vs. Chris Byrd - 2003

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 05 Dec 2017, 11:41 I think if he had once defence of the WBA title, or went for a unification with Byrd, It would have legitimized his reign as heavyweight champion.
Roy should have stayed at Heavyweight because that's where the money for him was... But he got very tired of all the eating and exercise it took to maintain a Heavyweight's body on a Light Heavyweight's frame... I think you just keep doing it and suck it up... Get that money above all.
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Re: Roy Jones Jr. vs. Chris Byrd - 2003

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This just made me nostalgic about the old boxing video games. I'd go Jones by decision btw but I think Byrd could have made it tricky.
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Re: Roy Jones Jr. vs. Chris Byrd - 2003

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......which proved to be equally as difficult for him.
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ElJefe wrote: 05 Dec 2017, 18:49 This just made me nostalgic about the old boxing video games. I'd go Jones by decision btw but I think Byrd could have made it tricky.
Byrd used to move really well in the game. On difficult mode, he used to run around the ring. Very hard to catch.
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Re: Roy Jones Jr. vs. Chris Byrd - 2003

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I favour Jones here in a fight, which would very likely have been rather uneventful. Byrd was a good match-up for Jones among the heavyweights, because he had no real punching power. He was very skilled and elusive, but he wasn't perfect in it. And I'm not talking about his performances against Klitschkos or the fight against Ibeabuchi, when he was caught. He had a controversial win over Oquendo, when he, by many opinions, was outboxed. So I give Jones a lot of chances in outboxing Byrd.
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Re: Roy Jones Jr. vs. Chris Byrd - 2003

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Byrd would win a clear Un Dec
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Re: Roy Jones Jr. vs. Chris Byrd - 2003

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I guess RJJ get the decision. Byrd has no power to knock him down, and while he can make almost any opponent look bad, I have the feeling judges wouldn't favour his style there (I agree there can be many uneventful rounds,I guess Roy gets most of them simply for being agressor)

Byrd was also on decline at that time - lucky to get the win over Oquendo as mentioned, and the draw against crippled Golota next year. Thouth one may say 2003 RJJ with his "win" over Tarver was not in his prime either...
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gregor wrote: 09 Dec 2017, 15:08 I guess RJJ gets the decision. Byrd has no power to knock him down, and while he can make almost any opponent look bad, I have the feeling judges wouldn't favour his style there (I agree there can be many uneventful rounds,I guess Roy gets most of them simply for being agressor)

Byrd was also on decline at that time - lucky to get the win over Oquendo as mentioned, and the draw against crippled Golota next year. Thouth one may say 2003 RJJ with his "win" over Tarver was not in his prime either...
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Re: Roy Jones Jr. vs. Chris Byrd - 2003

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gregor wrote: 09 Dec 2017, 15:09
gregor wrote: 09 Dec 2017, 15:08 I guess RJJ gets the decision. Byrd has no power to knock him down, and while he can make almost any opponent look bad, I have the feeling judges wouldn't favour his style there (I agree there can be many uneventful rounds,I guess Roy gets most of them simply for being agressor)

Byrd was also on decline at that time - lucky to get the win over Oquendo as mentioned, and the draw against crippled Golota next year. Thouth one may say 2003 RJJ with his "win" over Tarver was not in his prime either...
Yeah but in a scenario where Roy fights Byrd in 2003 then he never drops back down to Light Heavyweight, and therefore never has that poor showing against Tarver. I think he would've kept his edge physically for at least another year or two as a Heavyweight, dropping so much weight to get back down to Light Heavy took a toll on him, and he hit the wall from there.
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Re: Roy Jones Jr. vs. Chris Byrd - 2003

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That's true to an extent... He hurt himself going from Heavyweight to Light Heavyweight too quickly -- hence his poor showing in the 1st Antonio Tarver Fight... Which most everyone who watched it objectively thought Tarver won...

How do you account for Roy getting KO'd in the rematch??? ... You think the weight drop hurt him permanently?

He's younger than Tarver.
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Kalan wrote: 10 Dec 2017, 01:59 That's true to an extent... He hurt himself going from Heavyweight to Light Heavyweight too quickly -- hence his poor showing in the 1st Antonio Tarver Fight... Which most everyone who watched it objectively thought Tarver won...

How do you account for Roy getting KO'd in the rematch??? ... You think the weight drop hurt him permanently?

He's younger than Tarver.
I thought Jones edged the 1st fight barely by coming on in the last few rounds hard. Tarver took his foot off the gas too much, but he rounds he won, he won big.

It could be argued that Tarver did enough damage to Roy in the first fight that he was able to get to him in the rematch easier. Though it seemed like a bit of a flukish shot at the time, the performance afterward against Glen Johnson definitely showed Roy wasn't the same fighter anymore.
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Re: Roy Jones Jr. vs. Chris Byrd - 2003

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gilgamesh wrote: 09 Dec 2017, 15:12 Yeah but in a scenario where Roy fights Byrd in 2003 then he never drops back down to Light Heavyweight, and therefore never has that poor showing against Tarver.
I am just not sure how much of the Roy's decline was related to it. If you look at the numbers, initially 193 (against Ruiz) indeed is almost 20 pounds above his usual LHW limit.

Then you take into account he was not dehydrating to get it, so this 193 probably means around 180/185 pounds of "dry mass" at best, and this looks much closer to his usual weight.

I think Roy was just getting old. It is not a coincidence Byrd's decline started also around that time - both are similar age, and both have styles that rely more on speed than anything else.
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Re: Roy Jones Jr. vs. Chris Byrd - 2003

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gregor wrote: 10 Dec 2017, 08:19
gilgamesh wrote: 09 Dec 2017, 15:12 Yeah but in a scenario where Roy fights Byrd in 2003 then he never drops back down to Light Heavyweight, and therefore never has that poor showing against Tarver.
I am just not sure how much of the Roy's decline was related to it. If you look at the numbers, initially 193 (against Ruiz) indeed is almost 20 pounds above his usual LHW limit.

Then you take into account he was not dehydrating to get it, so this 193 probably means around 180/185 pounds of "dry mass" at best, and this looks much closer to his usual weight.

I think Roy was just getting old. It is not a coincidence Byrd's decline started also around that time - both are similar age, and both have styles that rely more on speed than anything else.
He weighed just over 200 pounds on fight night.
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Re: Roy Jones Jr. vs. Chris Byrd - 2003

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I would have thought that RJJ would have been the favourite. But I wouldn't be surprised if Byrd won on split decision.
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Re: Roy Jones Jr. vs. Chris Byrd - 2003

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 10 Dec 2017, 11:42
gregor wrote: 10 Dec 2017, 08:19
gilgamesh wrote: 09 Dec 2017, 15:12 Yeah but in a scenario where Roy fights Byrd in 2003 then he never drops back down to Light Heavyweight, and therefore never has that poor showing against Tarver.
I am just not sure how much of the Roy's decline was related to it. If you look at the numbers, initially 193 (against Ruiz) indeed is almost 20 pounds above his usual LHW limit.

Then you take into account he was not dehydrating to get it, so this 193 probably means around 180/185 pounds of "dry mass" at best, and this looks much closer to his usual weight.

I think Roy was just getting old. It is not a coincidence Byrd's decline started also around that time - both are similar age, and both have styles that rely more on speed than anything else.
He weighed just over 200 pounds on fight night
Roy dehydrated for the weigh-in because that was his normal prefight routine - something he did for a great many years... A lot of boxers upon first moving up to Heavyweight leave the dehydration/rehydration cycle out of their prefight routine...and wonder why they feel so sluggish during the fight... Heavyweights don't need it -- but If you've been making weight for every fight for 50 fights for over 16 years, you pick out a select weight to dry to (say 193) and then rehydrate to 202 or whatever you feel comfortable... You don't need to do 18 pounds - you just need to taper the weight making ritual off for a few fights until your body and mind adapts to not doing it... It's kind of freaky the way that works.
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Re: Roy Jones Jr. vs. Chris Byrd - 2003

Post by tennessee »

Tarver vs Jones jr. Same result here
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Re: Roy Jones Jr. vs. Chris Byrd - 2003

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tennessee wrote: 19 Dec 2017, 11:38 Tarver vs Jones jr. Same result here
They fought 3 times?
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Re: Roy Jones Jr. vs. Chris Byrd - 2003

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Ruthless-RKO wrote: 31 Oct 2017, 13:40 I remember playing Fight Night 2004 on my PlayStation 2 a long time ago (10 years ago)..

Roy Jones was my favourite boxer in the game.. I used to have him fight Byrd all the time, in the game, Byrd used to move more than he did in real life, and was always hard to catch.

Last few days, it just got me thinking..

After Jones beat Ruiz in 2003, he won the WBA title and held a record of (48-1, 38 KOs).. He was 34 at the time..

At the same time, Byrd was the new IBF champion, holding a record of (36-2, 20 KOs).. He would have been around 32/33 years old..

* Jones weighed 193 pounds for his HW fight, I believe on fight night, he weight 198 pounds.
* Byrd usually weighed around 210-215 pounds around 2003/4..

When Jones won the WBA title, there was talks that he should fight Mike Tyson (correct me anyone if i'm wrong). He picked Ruiz, simply because he wasn't the biggest heavyweight champion and he wasn't named Lennox Lewis..

What if he stuck around at HW? What if had a chance to unify the WBA and IBF titles.. Now i'm not sure if there was any mandatories due, conflicts or any promotional issues at the time.. So what if, this fight .....

Image

happened in 2003 or 2004??..

Who would win and why?
Your memory is top-notch.

I remember when 34 was taps for a fighter. Holmes was sputtering at 34. Ali was a fraction of himself at 34. Joe Louis was all but a ghost of himself at 34.

And of RJJ?

I'm not sure.

Was his drop-off after Ruiz strictly the effect of a very poor decision to go backwards to 175, or did the step back simply exacerbate what would have occurred anyways?

I never liked the Tyson fight back then. I submit the unthinkable would have occurred. Its a feeling that has always stuck with me.

Lewis?

Sorry. Old Lenny had too much left, even if a quart low.

Ruiz was the perfect opponent.

Cruiserweight would have been the perfect post-Ruiz hunting ground....then retirement.

Call me old-fashioned, bucks notwithstanding.
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Re: Roy Jones Jr. vs. Chris Byrd - 2003

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Ned Merrill wrote: 26 Dec 2017, 13:29
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 31 Oct 2017, 13:40 I remember playing Fight Night 2004 on my PlayStation 2 a long time ago (10 years ago)..

Roy Jones was my favourite boxer in the game.. I used to have him fight Byrd all the time, in the game, Byrd used to move more than he did in real life, and was always hard to catch.

Last few days, it just got me thinking..

After Jones beat Ruiz in 2003, he won the WBA title and held a record of (48-1, 38 KOs).. He was 34 at the time..

At the same time, Byrd was the new IBF champion, holding a record of (36-2, 20 KOs).. He would have been around 32/33 years old..

* Jones weighed 193 pounds for his HW fight, I believe on fight night, he weight 198 pounds.
* Byrd usually weighed around 210-215 pounds around 2003/4..

When Jones won the WBA title, there was talks that he should fight Mike Tyson (correct me anyone if i'm wrong). He picked Ruiz, simply because he wasn't the biggest heavyweight champion and he wasn't named Lennox Lewis..

What if he stuck around at HW? What if had a chance to unify the WBA and IBF titles.. Now i'm not sure if there was any mandatories due, conflicts or any promotional issues at the time.. So what if, this fight .....

Image

happened in 2003 or 2004??..

Who would win and why?
Your memory is top-notch.

I remember when 34 was taps for a fighter. Holmes was sputtering at 34. Ali was a fraction of himself at 34. Joe Louis was all but a ghost of himself at 34.

And of RJJ?

I'm not sure.

Was his drop-off after Ruiz strictly the effect of a very poor decision to go backwards to 175, or did the step back simply exacerbate what would have occurred anyways?

I never liked the Tyson fight back then. I submit the unthinkable would have occurred. Its a feeling that has always stuck with me.

Lewis?

Sorry. Old Lenny had too much left, even if a quart low.

Ruiz was the perfect opponent.

Cruiserweight would have been the perfect post-Ruiz hunting ground....then retirement.

Call me old-fashioned, bucks notwithstanding.
Let's say he never went back down to LHW and stayed at HW.
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Re: Roy Jones Jr. vs. Chris Byrd - 2003

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:box: Fight Night Round 4 was the best of the series bar none :box: absolutely loved that game. Must have made a few dozen boxers on career mode and won the world title numerous times. If I wasn't doing that :stop: I was playing as Rocky Marciano and I almost always retired undefeated.

Anyways :lol: back to Byrd/Jones. Lennox Lewis gave up his IBF championship on the HOPE for a multi-million dollar clash with Roy Jones. Don King set up an elimination tournament in which Ruiz would fight Jones, and Holyfield would fight Byrd.

It was HOPED that Jones would win his end of things (which he did) and that Holyfield would beat Byrd and that'd set up Jones-Holyfield to legitimize his heavyweight experiment (and Evander failed to do so).

Byrd couldn't draw flies around a bucket of horse piss. He may have been Jimmy Young incarnate, minus Jimmy's willingness to mix it up now and then, but he was just as hated as John Ruiz for their boring, dull, slow, predictable, matches.

I remember either RING MAGAZINE or KO MAGAZINE doing an article once saying that the writers worst dream would be a Ruiz-Byrd fight, and lamented how Ruiz kept winning WBA titles, and said he had a nightmare Don King did a Clockwork Orange on him making the poor bastard watch countless Ruiz matches trying to brainwash him into believing The Quiet Man was the true heavyweight champion of the world. :KO:

Yeah, heavyweight boxing then was a complete and total horror show. :verysad: Anyways... Needless to say the "elimination tournament" never finished... For a time Holyfield-Jones was talked about REGARDLESS that he lost to Byrd, which goes to show how corrupt the ratings were back then too.

Poor Byrd just drifted and drifted, until he rematched Wladimir Klitschko and got the stupid idea in his head of standing toe to toe with the giant Ukrainian... One of the most devastating knockouts I ever seen: Byrd's nose literally exploded upon impact. Poor bastard.

Jones, talked and talked about being a real heavyweight but he convinced nobody but the casual fans. He out priced himself against Mike Tyson demanding $100 million dollars, and it was more than clear he wasn't being serious (at the time Lewis-Tyson was the highest purse ever of like $35 million a piece, so for new readers who see $100+ million dollars a piece today you'll understand the context of what I'm saying cus it was clearly a way of saying he didn't want the fight).

Now... Had the elimination tournament went on as planned... Jones-Byrd... I'll be honest, I think Jones would have only won because of a gift decision robbery... Byrd was boring as hell, yes, but I think he was slightly quicker and more elusive than Jones and in this situation probably the harder puncher.

I think such a "win" would have tainted Jones heavyweight experiment, and the cat calls for Lewis to give Byrd an honorary title shot would have been uttered. Byrd and Ruiz both (IMHO) deserved a crack at Lewis, on merit, than some of the idiots who got title shots (Botha, for example). Then Jones could have tried to redeem himself by fighting someone (maybe Holyfield) and then could have fought Lewis.

But it is what it is. He wasn't a legitimate heavyweight. His "one off" night against Ruiz was more of a nuisance than anything else that disturbed the order of the division. Entertaining? Sure, if you like that sort of thing (one timers) but there could have been better fights staged rather than give Jones attention.
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