It has to be asked

Can Rigo win on the cards December 9th?

Rigo will get a fair shake on the scorecards
18
51%
Rigo has to win atleast 8 rounds and even score a knock down to win a decision
7
20%
No, Rigo needs a knock out to win
10
29%
 
Total votes: 35

jamamb
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Re: It has to be asked

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NateJR wrote: 06 Dec 2017, 05:52 I guess posting a boxing related link is spam. :maybe:
do u think the fight will be close?leaving aside judging, whats ur prediction for how it will go down.
MatadorNils
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Re: It has to be asked

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I doubt this fight goes to a close decision, but I definitely think it's a fair question to ask given how bad the cards were for Donaire-Rigondeaux. And that was while Rigondeaux was still with Top Rank.
NateJR
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Re: It has to be asked

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jamamb wrote: 06 Dec 2017, 16:37
NateJR wrote: 06 Dec 2017, 05:52 I guess posting a boxing related link is spam. :maybe:
do u think the fight will be close?leaving aside judging, whats ur prediction for how it will go down.
Lomachenko is the clear favorite to win the fight. I'd say it's going out on a limb to think Rigodeaux will beat a guy 2 divisions bigger and 10 years younger. Lomachenko should win a clear cut decision.

The point of the thread wasnt that I thought Rigodeaux would get robbed on the cards, I feel Lomachenko will win anyways. But if the the fight is close or Rigondeaux does win in many people's eyes, does he get a fair shake? Me personally, I don't feel the politics of boxing are on Rigondeaux's side and I think Rigodeaux has to completely dominate the fight to win, no way he wins in a close fight.

It's not a conspiracy theory, it's the politics of boxing we all know too well. I actually think it's funny that people think Rigodeaux has a chance to win, much less a fair shake in a close fight. Everything favors Lomachenko and that was by design. Arum knows what's up, he isn't about to let one of his biggest upcoming fighters lose to a much older, smaller guy (who he doesn't promote) beat one of his main guys again. Arum has already been on record hating on Rigondeaux several times in the past and was when he did promote him. IMO anyone who doesn't think politics will be involved are in denial.
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Re: It has to be asked

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Rigo dominated Donaire and the decision did not reflect that, it was not close. Why would anyone doubt that could happen again? Why do these chodes immediately throw the conspiracy theory charge out anytime someone questions something? Notice that? These pricks think no conspiracy has ever existed, they know everything lol. Dismissing most conspiracies is logical, pretending they don't exist is a dangerously stupid choice. Comes with arrogance, which we got on tap here. The guy who thinks he can explain everything, or expects to know every detail, is the first one wrong.

When future millions of dollars are involved, it would be criminally ignorant to dismiss the possibility of outside influence. As subtle as it can be, it can be there. Ignoring it is a personal choice.
Badhusker
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Re: It has to be asked

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What you guys are talking about (Nate and SFW), are valid points, and real. Look at Canelo's close decision wins and loss for example. If that statement confuses other readers, read no further. No need to re-hash that. What also comes into play is boxing style. The majority of judges seem to dislike styles like Floyd, Lara, and Rigo. Up to this point Crawford uses both movement and power punching, etc., but he may resort to a more slick style as he meets more, and bigger competition, and will be criticized for it.

I am hoping for a KO in favor of Rigo to keep it from getting to the cards. If it does, he will probably lose. Only boxing what 3 rounds the last 3 years? Besides that much older, be at least 10lbs smaller. The only advantage he has really is minimal, 2 inches of reach. Rigo will have to really up his work rate to get a decision, and dominate to win unless he stops Loma.
Heretic
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Re: It has to be asked

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Enlightened-One wrote: 30 Nov 2017, 11:07 Why do people persistently believe in unsubstantiated conspiracy theories? :roll:
So you call corruption in boxing unsubstantiated conspiracy theory?

Vegas boxing was run by mob for a long time. Proven fact.

It might be bit more subtle now days but it is still happening. One would need to be blind as bat or biased as fornicate to not see it.

Why play the white knight even when it just makes you look stupid? :witzend:
littlepug
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Re: It has to be asked

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Heretic wrote: 07 Dec 2017, 10:14
Enlightened-One wrote: 30 Nov 2017, 11:07 Why do people persistently believe in unsubstantiated conspiracy theories? :roll:
So you call corruption in boxing unsubstantiated conspiracy theory?

Vegas boxing was run by mob for a long time. Proven fact.

It might be bit more subtle now days but it is still happening. One would need to be blind as bat or biased as eff to not see it.

Why play the white knight even when it just makes you look stupid? :witzend:
Long time since mob days mate ! There are no fixed fights just human judges scoring a fight in real time, not always with a clear view of the action, with the crowd applauding ineffective work and with boxers trying to "steal" rounds, it wont be an easy job to score in line with the fans, so sorry to disappoint but your living in fantasy land !
Heretic
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Re: It has to be asked

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Another one :lol:

Get that white shine out of my face :box:

And somehow the people on the forums know weeks before who is going to give out that shitty card...

Hard to judge. Lucky winner. Human error every day :-P

Why do you try to defend something that is as clear as day to everyone?
littlepug
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Re: It has to be asked

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Heretic wrote: 07 Dec 2017, 10:31 Another one :lol:

Get that white shine out of my face :box:

And somehow the people on the forums know weeks before who is going to give out that shitty card...

Hard to judge. Lucky winner. Human error every day :-P

Why do you try to defend something that is as clear as day to everyone?
Inept people in every job on the planet mate
Heretic
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Re: It has to be asked

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Yeah right :roll:

Inept like Don Trella scoring GGG - Jacobs 115 -112 and then GGG - Canelo 114 - 114.

Even tho Jacobs actually executed the Canelo gameplan far better than Canelo.

Nope just a bad day in the office :twisted:
littlepug
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Re: It has to be asked

Post by littlepug »

Heretic wrote: 07 Dec 2017, 10:43 Yeah right :roll:

Inept like Don Trella scoring GGG - Jacobs 115 -112 and then GGG - Canelo 114 - 114.

Even tho Jacobs actually executed the Canelo gameplan far better than Canelo.

Nope just a bad day in the office :twisted:
Yes just like that ! Look at how many "experts" on here constantly argue about results, everybody not gonna see things the same way, must admit I get a good laugh from you boys and your conspiracies, keep it up !
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Re: It has to be asked

Post by boxing_rocks »

Heretic wrote: 07 Dec 2017, 10:43 Yeah right :roll:

Inept like Don Trella scoring GGG - Jacobs 115 -112 and then GGG - Canelo 114 - 114.

Even tho Jacobs actually executed the Canelo gameplan far better than Canelo.

Nope just a bad day in the office :twisted:
Trella and many other judges are following money and favoring A sides. This doesn't exclude possibility of direct corruption in some cases.
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Re: It has to be asked

Post by Enlightened-One »

Heretic wrote: 07 Dec 2017, 10:14
Enlightened-One wrote: 30 Nov 2017, 11:07 Why do people persistently believe in unsubstantiated conspiracy theories? :roll:
So you call corruption in boxing unsubstantiated conspiracy theory?

Vegas boxing was run by mob for a long time. Proven fact.

It might be bit more subtle now days but it is still happening. One would need to be blind as bat or biased as eff to not see it.

Why play the white knight even when it just makes you look stupid? :witzend:
I’ve never claimed that corruption has never existed in the sport of boxing, but it’s nowhere near as prevalent as the vast majority of people believe it to be.

However, it’s got to the point whereby ignorant fans are claiming that the outcomes of decision victories are nearly always predetermined well before fights have actually taken place.

Therefore, nearly every time a high-profile bout is scheduled, fans always boldly predict that their favourite fighter will taste defeat, due to the corrupt judges being allegedly “paid off”.

Similar sentiments are expressed whenever the outcome of evenly-contested bouts go against the fighter favoured by blindly-biased ignorant fans, which compels them to always cry "ROBBERY!"

Do you actually endorse those people that choose to possess such a horrendous derogatory opinions whilst there’s also a total absence of any evidence whatsoever to justify their absurd claims?

I’m not interested in playing a theatrical role, such as “The White Knight”, instead I simply want to possess an educated opinion that was acquired by research rather than making bold knee-jerk ignorant assumptions. :TU:
jamamb
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Re: It has to be asked

Post by jamamb »

kind of similar to ggg-canelo where u think judges will be bias toward one specific guy (nelo) if they are. certainly adelaide bryd was :lol:
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