Badhusker wrote: ↑04 Dec 2017, 07:29
candyslim wrote: ↑03 Dec 2017, 13:04
Badhusker wrote: ↑03 Dec 2017, 08:58
Quit whining and acting butt hurt. Joshua could have fought Ortiz instead of Pulev. ABC's threaten to strip, and even if they did Joshua just last year said sometimes you have to let belts go to give the fans the fights they want. He knew Pulev would pull out, just like he has done before.....that is why Takam was lined up.
The truth is they wanted Wilder to fight Ortiz and eliminate one of two dangerous opponents, which is fine. Ortiz was never on Joshua's radar. Hypocrisy shows up though from AJ nuthuggers saying Wilder should have fought him anyway, but say nothing of AJ fighting him. Fair play?
Its all good. Hopefully AJ taking the easier fight with Parker will backfire like the Cotto/Ali fight did. Maybe Hearn putting the fight off with Wilder has something to do with assuring AJ passes the PED test? I hope he is clean, or Wilder will get the blame again.
Why TF should Joshua be expected to fight Klitschko, Ortiz and Wilder, (not forgetting Pulev) one after the other while Wilder continues taking on a succession of cabdrivers? 39 fights and 9 years and the best opponent, the only opponent ranked top ten at the time of the fight, and still the only top ten ranked opponent he ever faced, being Bermane Stiverne who had been stopped by Demetrice King and whose reputation was built solely on two wins over the tough but very limited Chris Arreola. But that's ok let's give him a pass and instead pick on Joshua for choosing first to fight top six ranked Pulev who is comfortably better than anyone Wilder ever fought ... as is Takam.
Your double standards are unbe-fukcing-lievable. Can you really not see that ???
There you go again, acting all butt-hurt. I'm not picking on AJ, or comparing their resumes. No one on this board has ever bragged about Wilder's resume. Why TF should Joshua be expected to fight Wlad, Ortiz, and Wilder in succession? Remember that was their plan, not mine. Their plan had nothing to do with Wilder's resume and who he was fighting, and why should it? Wilder just wants to unify the belts, and have a chance to see who is the best.
Do you think Wilder would have got the same credit as Joshua for beating Martin? No. Do you think Wilder would have got the same credit for beating Wlad after his horrid performance looking so shot against Fury? No. Would Wilder have got big credit for beating Breazeale? (after Breazeale's performance vs Mansour) No. What he gets no credit for, is signing to fight Povetkin and Ortiz, who are arguably better than anyone on Joshua's resume, including Wlad. Remember we are talking about the Wlad that lost to Fury, not the Wlad that happened to show up vs Joshua. Wilder tried to get Wlad to fight too, but was told by Wlad he had to fight someone else. Wilder put $6 or $8K of his own money up to bypass Stiverne to fight Ortiz, then what does he get? Blamed for Ortiz failing his drug test. Tell me about hypocrisy ffs.
The issue is not AJ's vs Wilder's resume. It is about them fighting to see who is best. There is no question AJ has the better resume. I said a couple years back they should move AJ's career slower even because he hasn't had that many fights, and his amateur experience wasn't all that extensive.
Fast forward to now. Now he is the man at heavyweight, and if not injured and only fighting twice a year, he should not need tune-ups.
Their plan was to fight their first mandatory Pulev, then Ortiz, then Wilder. (or Parker first). So you ask, Why TF should AJ have to do that? Ask Hearn or AJ, and quit crying like a little bitch.
There you go again, acting all butt-hurt. I'm not picking on AJ, or comparing their resumes. No one on this board has ever bragged about Wilder's resume. Why TF should Joshua be expected to fight Wlad, Ortiz, and Wilder in succession? Remember that was their plan, not mine.
cs: Exactly - that was their plan but my comments were in response to your complaint that Joshua was not planning to fight Ortiz. I pointed out that he was fully intending to fight Ortiz in March, but Ortiz was removed from the equation by the abortive Wilder fight and the resultant fall-out. Previously you attacked him for electing to fight Pulev first instead of Ortiz although Joshua's commitment to defend his IBF mandatory had been in existence long before the WBA decided to ride along on the AJ/WK unification wagon.
Their plan had nothing to do with Wilder's resume and who he was fighting, and why should it? Wilder just wants to unify the belts, and have a chance to see who is the best.
cs: No it didn't but your incessant sniping at Joshua's / Hearn's choices gets very tedious, when your idol hasn't faced remotely near the quality of opposition in twice the timescale and twice the number of fights. If Wilder wanted to unify the belts why has he only started agitating about it now? It's all about the legacy not the money ... yeah, right. If Hearn lied about the 10 million offer then it's simple enough to challenge him to put that offer in a contract which can be verified.
Do you think Wilder would have got the same credit as Joshua for beating Martin? No.
cs: Probably not because the US isn't as invested in Wilder as the UK is in Joshua. There again at the time Martin was unbeaten and potentially very dangerous so it's doubtful whether he'd have got the chance to fight Wilder.
Do you think Wilder would have got the same credit for beating Wlad after his horrid performance looking so shot against Fury?
sc: Why not? If he showed the same heart and fighting spirit against a Klitschko that was as clearly the best Klitschko he could be at 41, then I believe he would.
Would Wilder have got big credit for beating Breazeale? (after Breazeale's performance vs Mansour) No. What he gets no credit for, is signing to fight Povetkin and Ortiz, who are arguably better than anyone on Joshua's resume, including Wlad.
cs: Wlad beat Povetkin. I would give Wilder all the credit win or lose if he faced Povetkin or Ortiz but these fights never happened. Maybe Wilder genuinely wanted to face these guys, even though it might have cost him his title, but you don't get kudos for your resume in respect of fights which didn't happen.
If Wilder were to beat Breazeale I would give him credit for that. Breazeale would give Wilder his hardest test to date.
Remember we are talking about the Wlad that lost to Fury, not the Wlad that happened to show up vs Joshua.
cs: Joshua got respect for beating Wlad. Clearly Wlad was on his game that night, in a way he wasn't against Fury. Why wouldn't Wilder have got credit. Are you sure it's me that's acting "all butt-hurt"?
Wilder tried to get Wlad to fight too, but was told by Wlad he had to fight someone else.
cs: Well that's news to me. As far as I'm aware Wilder has never been interested in unifying with Klitschko. When asked about it, Finkel is on record as saying that Wilder after 33 fights was ‘just a baby and still in development. He’s not ready for a unification with Klitschko’. When was this supposed to have happened?
Wilder put $6 or $8K of his own money up to bypass Stiverne to fight Ortiz, then what does he get? Blamed for Ortiz failing his drug test. Tell me about hypocrisy ffs.
cs: And you know this for a fact do you or are you just taking everything Wilder says at face value? A lot of people, many on here, are on record as saying that fight would never happen. Whether or not it was necessary or justified to call the fight off is a matter for conjecture, but one thing we can be sure about is that they were ultimately proved right.
The issue is not AJ's vs Wilder's resume. It is about them fighting to see who is best. There is no question AJ has the better resume. I said a couple years back they should move AJ's career slower even because he hasn't had that many fights, and his amateur experience wasn't all that extensive.
cs: So if that’s right why are you forever carping about who he is fighting or not fighting?
Fast forward to now. Now he is the man at heavyweight, and if not injured and only fighting twice a year, he should not need tune-ups.
Their plan was to fight their first mandatory Pulev, then Ortiz, then Wilder. (or Parker first). So you ask, Why TF should AJ have to do that? Ask Hearn or AJ, and quit crying like a little bitch.
cs: When I asked Why AJ should have to fight all the top fighters one after the other, I’m not talking about what Joshua and his management team have planned , I’m talking why you and people like you expect him to fight nothing but the best available opposition, while giving Wilder a free ride?. You have the nerve to criticize him for fighting Pulev (Takam) before Ortiz when either of these fighters would be the best name on Wilder’s record? Why shouldn’t he take an easy one if he wanted to? Team Joshua have set the bar very high and you should applaud AJ for that, not whine and bitch about him fighting A instead of B when they are both in the world’s top 6.
I’ve got no problem with people criticising Joshua, he’s not my family, but at least keep it fair.
