Badhusker wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 08:51
Loma is definitely a very highly skilled boxer with a tremendous gas tank. Awesome combination. Before thinking GOAT potential though, remember he already has a loss, only 10 fights. Back up a couple of years and put him at 135 vs Mikey Garcia and Crawford. I don't see Loma beating either of those guys...especially not Crawford. Loma said himself he thinks Crawford is the best pfp right now.
Yeah...loma goes up 2-3 divisions and losses to crawford. Let crawford go up 2-3 divisions and fight GGG and see what happens.
Impractical Poster wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 01:44
I know Loma gets a lot of hype. But, he deserves it. In the 20 some odd years I've been following the sport, he is by far the best I've ever seen.
Best I’ve seen in, in 20 years too. You have to go back to Sugar Ray Robinson to find skills like this and even he gets hit more often.
Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 09:45
Lomassiah has the potential to be a GOAT. He is not close to that yet.
Resume hr can never be the goat. Atarted pro to late. But you talk about goat in terms of quality, of how good a boxer he is right?
Quality means nothing without results. He does not need to have 50 fights. He does need to beat people his own size. Rigo never had a legit shot at this, no matter what the “size won’t be a factor” group claimed.
He has the size to move up to at least 135 and possibly 140. Beat Berchelt. Move up and go after Linares and Easter, and get in there with Mikey. Then we can start talking.
The fact that he was trying to get the on his last legs Salido in the ring is not a good look. Also, last night does not get him to P4P #1 for me, let alone GOAT contention.
Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 09:45
Lomassiah has the potential to be a GOAT. He is not close to that yet.
Resume hr can never be the goat. Atarted pro to late. But you talk about goat in terms of quality, of how good a boxer he is right?
Quality means nothing without results. He does not need to have 50 fights. He does need to beat people his own size. Rigo never had a legit shot at this, no matter what the “size won’t be a factor” group claimed.
He has the size to move up to at least 135 and possibly 140. Beat Berchelt. Move up and go after Linares and Easter, and get in there with Mikey. Then we can start talking.
The fact that he was trying to get the on his last legs Salido in the ring is not a good look. Also, last night does not get him to P4P #1 for me, let alone GOAT contention.
But yes he does have the potential.
This is strange. Leonard beat hagler, hearns, duran, benitez. Rarly did a boxer had such quality names on his record, yet most people leave him out of an atg top 10. I thought you needed 100+ fights to be considered a top 10 atg. Now you tell me it is more about quality of opposition than quantity. I am irritated.
Impractical Poster wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 01:44
I know Loma gets a lot of hype. But, he deserves it. In the 20 some odd years I've been following the sport, he is by far the best I've ever seen.
Best I’ve seen in, in 20 years too. You have to go back to Sugar Ray Robinson to find skills like this and even he gets hit more often.
I'll probably get lambasted for this, but technically, I'd say he's better than Robinson was. I struggle to think of anyone throughout history who was technically superior to Loma. Sweerpea comes close, but Loma is the most complete technical package ever.
Resume hr can never be the goat. Atarted pro to late. But you talk about goat in terms of quality, of how good a boxer he is right?
Quality means nothing without results. He does not need to have 50 fights. He does need to beat people his own size. Rigo never had a legit shot at this, no matter what the “size won’t be a factor” group claimed.
He has the size to move up to at least 135 and possibly 140. Beat Berchelt. Move up and go after Linares and Easter, and get in there with Mikey. Then we can start talking.
The fact that he was trying to get the on his last legs Salido in the ring is not a good look. Also, last night does not get him to P4P #1 for me, let alone GOAT contention.
But yes he does have the potential.
This is strange. Leonard beat hagler, hearns, duran, benitez. Rarly did a boxer had such quality names on his record, yet most people leave him out of an atg top 10. I thought you needed 100+ fights to be considered a top 10 atg. Now you tell me it is more about quality of opposition than quantity. I am irritated.
I am not “telling” you anything. This is and always shall be a subjective conversation. Form your opinion as you choose. Just don’t expect everyone to agree with how you form it.
Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 10:33
Quality means nothing without results. He does not need to have 50 fights. He does need to beat people his own size. Rigo never had a legit shot at this, no matter what the “size won’t be a factor” group claimed.
He has the size to move up to at least 135 and possibly 140. Beat Berchelt. Move up and go after Linares and Easter, and get in there with Mikey. Then we can start talking.
The fact that he was trying to get the on his last legs Salido in the ring is not a good look. Also, last night does not get him to P4P #1 for me, let alone GOAT contention.
But yes he does have the potential.
This is strange. Leonard beat hagler, hearns, duran, benitez. Rarly did a boxer had such quality names on his record, yet most people leave him out of an atg top 10. I thought you needed 100+ fights to be considered a top 10 atg. Now you tell me it is more about quality of opposition than quantity. I am irritated.
I am not “telling” you anything. This is and always shall be a subjective conversation. Form your opinion as you choose. Just don’t expect everyone to agree with how you form it.
I aggree.
You focus on quality of oppodition. Its good. I focuson that way more than amount of fights. Better 1 elite opponent than 100 cab driver.
This is strange. Leonard beat hagler, hearns, duran, benitez. Rarly did a boxer had such quality names on his record, yet most people leave him out of an atg top 10. I thought you needed 100+ fights to be considered a top 10 atg. Now you tell me it is more about quality of opposition than quantity. I am irritated.
I am not “telling” you anything. This is and always shall be a subjective conversation. Form your opinion as you choose. Just don’t expect everyone to agree with how you form it.
I aggree.
You focus on quality of oppodition. Its good. I focuson that way more than amount of fights. Better 1 elite opponent than 100 cab driver.
Tanzio wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 10:58
I am not “telling” you anything. This is and always shall be a subjective conversation. Form your opinion as you choose. Just don’t expect everyone to agree with how you form it.
I aggree.
You focus on quality of oppodition. Its good. I focuson that way more than amount of fights. Better 1 elite opponent than 100 cab driver.
Is leonard in your top 10?
SRL is an ATG.
But not 10 although he arguably had the best opponents on his resume. Makes no sense.
His pro debut was a title bout. If he's the best ever, he should be ready by age 25. No excuses.
This was early loma. New at pro boxing against a cheating salido who came in the ring as a welterweight and most people thought loma won.
But people make goat remarks not about the loma version years ago, but the prime loma of now who looks close to unbeatable.
And now f;&.#k off with your damn resume. It aint about that. We talk about physical abilitys, skills.
Every Loma nuthugger wishes everyone would forget about the past his best 17yr veteran with 12 losses beating the highly regarded Lomachenko. I think highly of Loma, but lets get back down to earth here. He has 11 fights as a pro so far. Everyone please stop with the GOAT discussions, saying he is better than Ali or Ray Robinson. WTF
He retires tomorrow and he's a GOAT contender. The real discussion is whether he can be the greatest of all time no question. To do that he'd have to beat Gervonta Davis, Mikey Garcia & Terece Crawford at 3 different weights. Bridge too far.
I don't get the doubts about him, fair enough, those who have an agenda against him will bring up Salido all the time, haters will hate. But doubting this guy as a p4p star is hilarious. He's got an outstanding resume and some of the best eye test footage you will ever see. Probably a controversial post but I do believe he's extraordinary.
TheGingerBomber wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 14:57
He retires tomorrow and he's a GOAT contender. The real discussion is whether he can be the greatest of all time no question. To do that he'd have to beat Gervonta Davis, Mikey Garcia & Terece Crawford at 3 different weights. Bridge too far.
I don't get the doubts about him, fair enough, those who have an agenda against him will bring up Salido all the time, haters will hate. But doubting this guy as a p4p star is hilarious. He's got an outstanding resume and some of the best eye test footage you will ever see. Probably a controversial post but I do believe he's extraordinary.
I only disagree with your opinion that he would be a GOAT (greatest of all time) if he retired today. If anything smacks of an agenda, that is it.
How many dead-cert first ballot Hall-of-Famers has Lomachenko defeated?
Why are fight fans granting the Ukraine an honorary rite of passge to potentially being considered an all-time-great, whilst bypassing any consideration for Hall-of-Famer status?
Vasyl Lomachenko only needed to defeat a past-his-prime near-forty year old opponent campaigning in a weight class two divisions above his natural habitat to be elevated to all-time-great status, but the likes of Ali and Robinson had to endure a much more challenging path to "greatness".
TheGingerBomber wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 14:57
He retires tomorrow and he's a GOAT contender. The real discussion is whether he can be the greatest of all time no question. To do that he'd have to beat Gervonta Davis, Mikey Garcia & Terece Crawford at 3 different weights. Bridge too far.
I don't get the doubts about him, fair enough, those who have an agenda against him will bring up Salido all the time, haters will hate. But doubting this guy as a p4p star is hilarious. He's got an outstanding resume and some of the best eye test footage you will ever see. Probably a controversial post but I do believe he's extraordinary.
He is on a GOAT list not based on his short resume but based on how MUCH better he is than the elite opposition he faced, Russel Jr, Walters and Rigo.
One can't compare a heavyweight and a featherweight skill wise. A great featherweight is always more skillful than a great HW. You can't compare Loma and Ali, but Loma is technically better than Leonard or Mayweather.
I wish Mikey would get into the ring with Loma, but I doubt that will happen. Beating Mikey would make Loma a GOAT for most.
So many narrow minded haters here. You should just enjoy him like a sunrise or a sunset. I guy like this only comes by once every 20 years. He obviously a unique, athlete with a unique style, only guy with a jaw dropping style like this to last come by was RJJ followed by Mike Tyson.. Tyson maybe not a technical boxer but you go wow when he fought, followed by Michael Jordan oops wrong sport..
victor-romeo wrote: ↑10 Dec 2017, 15:28
So many narrow minded haters here. You should just enjoy him like a sunrise or a sunset. I guy like this only comes by once every 20 years. He obviously a unique, athlete with a unique style, only guy with a jaw dropping style like this to last come by was RJJ followed by Mike Tyson.. Tyson maybe not a technical boxer but you go wow when he fought, followed by Michael Jordan oops wrong sport..
People in here are more wow about a boxer with 0 footage greb.
