Loma GOAT potential

[handsofstone]

Lomachenko is by far my favourite boxer to watch of all time, his skillset is other worldly , he still needs a handful of defining fights though to be remembered alongside Robinson, Armstrong, Ali, Louis, Leonard, Hearns etc

I think he's improving every fight as well, ive never noticed someone move through the gears the way he does, he could singlehandedly change the evoloution of the sport as to how kids prepare, train and fight, I effing love the pudendum

[Ricky_]

Lomachenko is by far my favourite boxer to watch of all time, his skillset is other worldly , he still needs a handful of defining fights though to be remembered alongside Robinson, Armstrong, Ali, Louis, Leonard, Hearns etc

I think he's improving every fight as well, ive never noticed someone move through the gears the way he does, he could singlehandedly change the evoloution of the sport as to how kids prepare, train and fight, I effing love the pudendum

So you reckon he's half-decent then?

[Enlightened-One]

So many narrow minded haters here. You should just enjoy him like a sunrise or a sunset. I guy like this only comes by once every 20 years. He obviously a unique, athlete with a unique style, only guy with a jaw dropping style like this to last come by was RJJ followed by Mike Tyson.. Tyson maybe not a technical boxer but you go wow when he fought, followed by Michael Jordan oops wrong sport..

How many future dead-cert first-ballot Hall-of-Famers has Lomachenko defeated?

[Jip]

Floyd and Roy also would have starched a Salido caliber fighter instead of losing.

Yep, just like Floyd did against Castillo you mean?

[Kalan]

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I know Loma gets a lot of hype. But, he deserves it. In the 20 some odd years I've been following the sport, he is by far the best I've ever seen.

Best I’ve seen in, in 20 years too. You have to go back to Sugar Ray Robinson to find skills like this and even he gets hit more often

Sugar Ray Robinson has a much worse record in World Title Defenses than Lomachenko has...

Robinson was 8-3 and getting beaten by guys who couldn't box very well like Fullmer, Basilio, and Turpin... Robinson also lost to Ralph Jones who came into the Robinson fight with 5 straight losses -- but nonetheless Jones was a tough infighter who knocked Hell out of Sugar Ray Robinson and was never able to secure a rematch or get a Title Shot out of the upset... Robinson 1st Title Fight came against 2nd rater Tommy Bell and didn't go swimmingly.... Robinson was decked hard and had to go the distance with with Bell who went down to his 11th loss after closing strong in the final 3 rounds.

Anthony Joshua was asked if he were pushing his career too fast by fighting Charles Martin for a Heavyweight Championship when he had only 15 pro fights.... "What if you lose the fight?"

AJ said "I don't even want to talk about losing, or think about losing... But you asked the question so it deserves an answer.. I'll do what Martin would do if he loses.. I'm a human being.. I could lose.. I'd go back to the drawing board and figure out my mistakes... I'd figure out what went wrong if I got knocked out - or hopefully I lost on points... I'd be like Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis and other great fighters who got upset by long shots... You learn from it and carry on... But the way the game is today, I can't afford to lose... If I ever lost you guys will never let me forget it."

Lomachenko is not an American... He wasn't appreciated for a while... He's now 9-1 in World Title Fights because of a robbery in his 2nd pro fight... He responded to that robbery by ramping up his skills to a massive degree... They tried very hard to rob him against Russell, but it was impossible... Lisa Giampa still made a determined effort and scored it a draw. But the way Robinson stood there and exchanged punches, taking big shots ... you'll never see that from Lomachenko. Undefeated fighters on a skill level of Russell, Walters, and Rigondeaux are just boxers the caliber that Robinson never met.

[SenorPipino]

So many narrow minded haters here. You should just enjoy him like a sunrise or a sunset. I guy like this only comes by once every 20 years. He obviously a unique, athlete with a unique style, only guy with a jaw dropping style like this to last come by was RJJ followed by Mike Tyson.. Tyson maybe not a technical boxer but you go wow when he fought, followed by Michael Jordan oops wrong sport..

How many future dead-cert first-ballot Hall-of-Famers has Lomachenko defeated?

Absolutely correct.

In the long run, the guy has a record sprinkled with victories over non-entities and a couple of wins over 2 decent fighters. And now suddenly you get a horde of worshippers who hail him as a combination of every ATG fighter who ever stepped into the squared circle.

And we're not even talking about a DEFEAT to a fighter who can best be described as a very rugged journeyman.

Victory last night over the talented but aging, smallish Rigondeaux, does not entitle Lomachenko to icon status.

Let's see him move up and defeat some actual elite fighters in the 135 and 140 lb. classes.

I expect Bob Arum to wax non-stop B.S. about Loma's supposedly "otherworldly skills".

That's his fighter and he's expected to hype him to the limit. He calls just about every star fighter he has ever promoted "the best I've ever seen." Until they jump ship from TR. Then they're garbage.

I also understand ESPN spending 3 hours breathlessly reciting every aspect of Loma's career and life, as if they've witnessed the Resurrection itself in the fighter.

The network has a juicy, lucrative contract with Arum so you know what to expect in the way of bias.

But I don't expect actual boxing fans to go "Golly Gee, I think he's better than Robinson," when the guy has a whopping

11 professional fights and one of them is a defeat.

If he moved up to lightweight and there was a Roberto Duran around, Lomachenko, along with his Godlike status, would be run clear out of the ring.

[Kalan]

So many narrow minded haters here. You should just enjoy him like a sunrise or a sunset. I guy like this only comes by once every 20 years. He obviously a unique, athlete with a unique style, only guy with a jaw dropping style like this to last come by was RJJ followed by Mike Tyson.. Tyson maybe not a technical boxer but you go wow when he fought, followed by Michael Jordan oops wrong sport..

How many future dead-cert first-ballot Hall-of-Famers has Lomachenko defeated?

Absolutely correct.

In the long run, the guy has a record sprinkled with victories over non-entities and a couple of wins over 2 decent fighters. And now suddenly you get a horde of worshippers who hail him as a combination of every ATG fighter who ever stepped into the squared circle.

And we're not even talking about a DEFEAT to a fighter who can best be described as a very rugged journeyman.

Victory last night over the talented but aging, smallish Rigondeaux, does not entitle Lomachenko to icon status.

Let's see him move up and defeat some actual elite fighters in the 135 and 140 lb. classes.

I expect Bob Arum to wax non-stop B.S. about Loma's supposedly "otherworldly skills".

That's his fighter and he's expected to hype him to the limit. He calls just about every star fighter he has ever promoted "the best I've ever seen." Until they jump ship from TR. Then they're garbage.

I also understand ESPN spending 3 hours breathlessly reciting every aspect of Loma's career and life, as if they've witnessed the Resurrection itself in the fighter.

The network has a juicy, lucrative contract with Arum so you know what to expect in the way of bias.

But I don't expect actual boxing fans to go "Golly Gee, I think he's better than Robinson," when the guy has a whopping

11 professional fights and one of them is a defeat.

If he moved up to lightweight and there was a Roberto Duran around, Lomachenko, along with his Godlike status, would be run clear out of the ring.

Pipino... YOU predicted Lomachenko would get beaten by the brilliant Cuban.... Who is a dead certain HOFer... As is Gary Russell and Nicholas Walters... You've got egg all over your face... Ingemar Johansson is a HOFer... How many World Title Fights did he win??? ... Lomachenko won 9... That's one HELL of a lot more than many guys in the HOF who don't have 1/10th the skills of Lomachenko.

[Oiky]

Loma will 100% be a goat

[Jip]

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I know Loma gets a lot of hype. But, he deserves it. In the 20 some odd years I've been following the sport, he is by far the best I've ever seen.

Best I’ve seen in, in 20 years too. You have to go back to Sugar Ray Robinson to find skills like this and even he gets hit more often

Sugar Ray Robinson has a much worse record in World Title Defenses than Lomachenko has...

Robinson was 8-3 and getting beaten by guys who couldn't box very well like Fullmer, Basilio, and Turpin... Robinson also lost to Ralph Jones who came into the Robinson fight with 5 straight losses -- but nonetheless Jones was a tough infighter who knocked Hell out of Sugar Ray Robinson and was never able to secure a rematch or get a Title Shot out of the upset... Robinson 1st Title Fight came against 2nd rater Tommy Bell and didn't go swimmingly.... Robinson was decked hard and had to go the distance with with Bell who went down to his 11th loss after closing strong in the final 3 rounds.

Anthony Joshua was asked if he were pushing his career too fast by fighting Charles Martin for a Heavyweight Championship when he had only 15 pro fights.... "What if you lose the fight?"

AJ said "I don't even want to talk about losing, or think about losing... But you asked the question so it deserves an answer.. I'll do what Martin would do if he loses.. I'm a human being.. I could lose.. I'd go back to the drawing board and figure out my mistakes... I'd figure out what went wrong if I got knocked out - or hopefully I lost on points... I'd be like Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis and other great fighters who got upset by long shots... You learn from it and carry on... But the way the game is today, I can't afford to lose... If I ever lost you guys will never let me forget it."

Lomachenko is not an American... He wasn't appreciated for a while... He's now 9-1 in World Title Fights because of a robbery in his 2nd pro fight... He responded to that robbery by ramping up his skills to a massive degree... They tried very hard to rob him against Russell, but it was impossible... Lisa Giampa still made a determined effort and scored it a draw. But the way Robinson stood there and exchanged punches, taking big shots ... you'll never see that from Lomachenko. Undefeated fighters on a skill level of Russell, Walters, and Rigondeaux are just boxers the caliber that Robinson never met.

Good post

[handsofstone]

Lomachenko is by far my favourite boxer to watch of all time, his skillset is other worldly , he still needs a handful of defining fights though to be remembered alongside Robinson, Armstrong, Ali, Louis, Leonard, Hearns etc

I think he's improving every fight as well, ive never noticed someone move through the gears the way he does, he could singlehandedly change the evoloution of the sport as to how kids prepare, train and fight, I effing love the pudendum

So you reckon he's half-decent then?

He's no bad like

[boxing_rocks]

So many narrow minded haters here. You should just enjoy him like a sunrise or a sunset. I guy like this only comes by once every 20 years. He obviously a unique, athlete with a unique style, only guy with a jaw dropping style like this to last come by was RJJ followed by Mike Tyson.. Tyson maybe not a technical boxer but you go wow when he fought, followed by Michael Jordan oops wrong sport..

How many future dead-cert first-ballot Hall-of-Famers has Lomachenko defeated?

He is still better than most if not all of the people who deferated first-ballot Hall-of-Famers.

[Enlightened-One]

Ray Robinson didn't need 174 victories, all he needed to do was beat a Cuban phenom in an uncompetitive weight class.

[BAD INTENTIONS]

I'll go with number 1 p4p ... but GOAT?

Looking at their sizes in the ring, it reminded me of Floyd VS JMM.
Don't remember many Floyd is the GOAT after that fight.
I remember that Floyd "was picking on a smaller fighter",
and then had the audacity to "gain an extra 2 pound advantage ".

Similar to Floyd/JMM, I think the fight would have been the same at any weight/time.
The most I could see Rigo doing was "winning" 3 rounds like the first.

Lomachenko is pretty good.
I guess the last thing to see him to is dominate fighters bigger than him.

[Tanzio]

I'll go with number 1 p4p ... but GOAT?

Looking at their sizes in the ring, it reminded me of Floyd VS JMM.
Don't remember many Floyd is the GOAT after that fight.
I remember that Floyd "was picking on a smaller fighter",
and then had the audacity to "gain an extra 2 pound advantage ".

Similar to Floyd/JMM, I think the fight would have been the same at any weight/time.
The most I could see Rigo doing was "winning" 3 rounds like the first.

Lomachenko is pretty good.
I guess the last thing to see him to is dominate fighters bigger than him.

That is the fight I thought about. Difference is that FMJ v JMM wasn’t as competitive and JMM did not quit.

[Ricky_]

I'll go with number 1 p4p ... but GOAT?

Looking at their sizes in the ring, it reminded me of Floyd VS JMM.
Don't remember many Floyd is the GOAT after that fight.
I remember that Floyd "was picking on a smaller fighter",
and then had the audacity to "gain an extra 2 pound advantage ".

Similar to Floyd/JMM, I think the fight would have been the same at any weight/time.
The most I could see Rigo doing was "winning" 3 rounds like the first.

Lomachenko is pretty good.
I guess the last thing to see him to is dominate fighters bigger than him.

That is the fight I thought about. Difference is that FMJ v JMM wasn’t as competitive and JMM did not quit.

Silly Comparison.

[jamamb]

rigo landed about 10 punches all match. not compettve at all.

[Kalan]

Ray Robinson didn't need 174 victories, all he needed to do was beat a Cuban phenom in an uncompetitive weight class.

How about Welterweight Carmen Basilio beating much bigger and taller Sugar Ray Robinson???

Robinson weighed in much heavier than Basilio did... Basilio lost a dozen previous fights and couldn't box well... Lomachenko weighed-in within a pound of Rigondeaux who had never lost a professional fight.. Everybody in Rigo's weight class who was any good ducked him.. He HAD to move up...

In sharp contrast to Basilio. ... Rigo is a master boxer... Though Lomachenko made him look like a tyro.

[Tanzio]

I'll go with number 1 p4p ... but GOAT?

Looking at their sizes in the ring, it reminded me of Floyd VS JMM.
Don't remember many Floyd is the GOAT after that fight.
I remember that Floyd "was picking on a smaller fighter",
and then had the audacity to "gain an extra 2 pound advantage ".

Similar to Floyd/JMM, I think the fight would have been the same at any weight/time.
The most I could see Rigo doing was "winning" 3 rounds like the first.

Lomachenko is pretty good.
I guess the last thing to see him to is dominate fighters bigger than him.

That is the fight I thought about. Difference is that FMJ v JMM wasn’t as competitive and JMM did not quit.

Silly Comparison.

No it isn’t. The size difference was similar. The weight jump was similar. Not sure that JMM won a round. I had Rigo shading round 1.

JMM simply would never quit, unlike Rigo.

[jamamb]

rigos best round by far was a round where they felt out and nothing happened.

[Tanzio]

rigos best round by far was a round where they felt out and nothing happened.

Correct. Rigo edged the 1st round.

[jamamb]

thought was even myself. zero in it as pretty much nothing happened. all loma once there was actually action startng next round.

[Tanzio]

thought was even myself. zero in it as pretty much nothing happened. all loma once there was actually action startng next round.

I very seldom score rounds even. I thought Rigo edged it, barely.

[Ricky_]

That is the fight I thought about. Difference is that FMJ v JMM wasn’t as competitive and JMM did not quit.

Silly Comparison.

No it isn’t. The size difference was similar. The weight jump was similar. Not sure that JMM won a round. I had Rigo shading round 1.

JMM simply would never quit, unlike Rigo.

The size difference was nowhere near similar. Rigo actually possessed a physical advantage over Loma (reach). Rigo's last opponent Flores was bigger than Loma.
Marquez had no such advantages.

Weight wise, Rigo still looked in great shape at the weigh in, it was only an 8lb jump, he probably just cut less water. Marquez a year before the Floyd fight was campaigning at 130, 3 division below Welter. He had love-handles and was horrendously out of shape. The in-ring weight difference was about 20lb, no way was it as much for Rigo.

And finally, it's a silly comparison because the styles aren't even close. Loma outboxed a master Cuban pugulist, who in theory should have been quicker since he's a superbantam. Mayweather outboxed Marquez, a Mexican tear-up artist.

[Kalan]

rigos best round by far was a round where they felt out and nothing happened.

Correct. Rigo edged the 1st round.

Total BS... Two judges gave Rigo that round because the fix was in... They couldn't find another round to give him... Lomachenko easily outmaneuvered Rigo in the first round and only soft punches landed... most by Loma.

He always uses the 1st couple rounds to see what the other guy throws - and when he throws.

[Tanzio]

rigos best round by far was a round where they felt out and nothing happened.

Correct. Rigo edged the 1st round.

Two judges gave Rigo that round because the fix was in...

You make it hard, but I will refrain from calling you an idiot for that one.