Tommy Hearns Vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr

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Counter-puncher wrote: 05 Dec 2017, 08:48 "chinny chin chin ... Mayweather fought 50 times and never lost... crude swinger Barkley... skinny chinny chinny chin chin... Valero... Mayweather rated top fighter ever by a computer ranking system.... chinny chin chin... etc"

someone else may as well do it, we can all pretty much answer any question on behalf of him by now, save you the pain of reading a whole answer.
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The topic is Mayweather-Hearns... Anything relevant to that match-up is welcome ... including Hearns' defeats and wipe-outs ... and those of any opponents who blew him away... A lot of material is being offered that has nothing to do with the subject.
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Kalan wrote: 05 Dec 2017, 21:36 The topic is Mayweather-Hearns... Anything relevant to that match-up is welcome ... including Hearns' defeats and wipe-outs ... and those of any opponents who blew him away... A lot of material is being offered that has nothing to do with the subject.
The only thing that would be relevant is their careers and ability at welterweight. Hearns being knocked out by Barkley is irrelevant as it wasn't at welterweight. FMM and Barkley were totally different in size and had completely different fighting styles and power levels. Pacquiao was knocked spark out with one punch at welterweight and at 5’5” tall was smaller than FMM, had they fought 5-6 years earlier my money would've been on Pacquiao winning. His KO loss would've been irrelevant, as is the loss Hearns suffered at middleweight.
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The losses to the 2nd rate Barkley are relevant.. He had a similar reach to Mayweather, but his punching range wasn't as good.. And Barkley got beaten and out-boxed a lot and he got knocked out on occasion -- and Hearns could do neither to Barkley.

So if Hearns couldn't out-box the unskilled Barkley and couldn't elude his crude punches -- and this continued a pattern of Tommy suffering KO losses which started happening to Hearns as a Welterweight -- how is this not pertinent to his getting hit often by the much sharper and more skilled Mayweather who beat 3 future HOF Middleweight Champions and didn't lose to any -- while Barkley got knocked out by 2 HOF caliber Middleweight Champions and also got knocked out by 1 very low tier Middleweight Champion -- all happening during his 20's???

Mayweather beat 3 future Middleweight Champions who will all make the HOF -- all the victories happening in his 30's.

Mayweather was never beaten or tied ... but Hearns was beaten 5 times and has 4 KO losses on his record with one draw.

Don't forget that Hearns failed to KO Welterweight Alfonso Hayman who suffered 8 KO losses.. took 12 rounds to stop Randy Shields who was finished off faster by many others.. and failed to KO Lugigi Minchillo, who was knocked out 3 times.. Floyd has never been knocked off his feet.
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golden oldie wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 21:56
Kalan wrote: 07 Dec 2017, 20:42 The losses to the 2nd rate Barkley are relevant.. He had a similar reach to Mayweather, but his punching range wasn't as good.. And Barkley got beaten and out-boxed a lot and he got knocked out on occasion -- and Hearns could do neither to Barkley.

So if Hearns couldn't out-box the unskilled Barkley and couldn't elude his crude punches -- and this continued a pattern of Tommy suffering KO losses which started happening to Hearns as a Welterweight -- how is this not pertinent to his getting hit often by the much sharper and more skilled Mayweather who beat 3 future HOF Middleweight Champions and didn't lose to any -- while Barkley got knocked out by 2 HOF caliber Middleweight Champions and also got knocked out by 1 very low tier Middleweight Champion -- all happening during his 20's???

Mayweather beat 3 future Middleweight Champions who will all make the HOF -- all the victories happening in his 30's.

Mayweather was never beaten or tied ... but Hearns was beaten 5 times and has 4 KO losses on his record with one draw.

Don't forget that Hearns failed to KO Welterweight Alfonso Hayman who suffered 8 KO losses.. took 12 rounds to stop Randy Shields who was finished off faster by many others.. and failed to KO Lugigi Minchillo, who was knocked out 3 times.. Floyd has never been knocked off his feet.
Look. I am trying my best to make allowances for the fact that you are a somewhat inbred Murican.

BUT WHAT PART OF TOMMY HEARNS' CAREER AT 160 AND / OR ABOVE HAS LESS THAN FUKK ALL TO DO WITH HIM FIGHTING MAYFLOWER AT 147 IS TOO DIFFICULT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND?

CONTRARY TO YOUR ( IN ) BREEDING AND BELIEF THE WORLD CONSISTS OF BILLIONS OF PEOPLE, A MAJORITY OF WHOM BELIEVE AMERICANS ARE WAR MONGERING, KNOW NOTHING, OPINIONATED, RETARDED SCUM. AND YOU ARE ACTUALLY DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB OF REINFORCING THOSE BELIEFS.

PLEASE SPARE THE OLD BOLLOX PROPAGANDA NONSENSE ABOUT YOU BEING THE WORLDS NUMBER ONE, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. THOSE DAYS HAVE LONG GONE, YOU ARE NOW TRYING TO CATCH UP WITH CHINA, AND SOON TO BECOME THIRD BEHIND INDIA. PERSONALLY,, I SAY GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU.

There is NO mathematical, or indeed scientific equation that any man / woman could EVER write that could explain how a gutless lump of shite like Mayweather could EVER beat Tommy Hearns. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Lets get back to a genuinely stupid tale!!!

There once was this guy, and he fed 5,000 people with a handful of fish, and a couple of bits of bread. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Woah Johnny,......Not sure you made your point...which is probably that you sincerely feel that Hearns would have a better than even chance to beat Mayweather....AND I'm mystified at the impact that nationalism, incest, and religion has on this hypothetical fight. Almost makes Kalan's assessment skills idiosyncrasies (which I clearly have some disagreement with) seem pale by your brand of ape-shyt crazy bonzoinkiness.
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golden oldie wrote: 08 Dec 2017, 21:56 There is NO mathematical, or indeed scientific equation that any man / woman could EVER write that could explain how a gutless lump of shite like Mayweather could EVER beat Tommy Hearns ...

Lets get back to a genuinely stupid tale!!!

There once was this guy, and he fed 5,000 people with a handful of fish, and a couple of bits of bread.
The “Loafs and Fishes” is just one of many miracles Jesus Christ performed. He also brought the dead to life, walked on water, transformed himself into bread and wine, turned water into wine when the celebration he was attending ran out of wine, rose from the dead, told the "good thief" who was crucified with him that he would be enter Paradise that very day, saved humankind (those who believe in him) through his death on the cross, put a Roman soldier’s ear back on after one of his faithful drew his sword and sliced it off, told Peter (the first Pope) “Before the cock crows twice, you will deny me thrice.” – but all that was small potatoes for the Supreme Being who created the universe in all it’s complexity.

Man in his hubris talks about boarding space ships and traveling to various galaxies of which there are billions... Man writes tales of invisibility, time travel, star travel, Super Man with super powers, fountains of youth that will assure everlasting life, Star Wars Missile Defense Systems that will shoot down all incoming ICBM’s without exploding their megaton nuclear bomb payloads and destroying Earth – and other fanciful ambitions that are only possible with God.

All the scientists in the world could not create a single mosquito or engineer a single living cell from inert materials, yet some men believe life came out of the primal ooze by sheer accident. Nobody could ever replicate that "accident." Men will not live forever or do all the fanciful things some men dream of doing that are only possible with God. You only have to look at Earth, which is teeming with life – and look at all the other planets and heavenly bodies and see total desolation, to see how fragile life is.. Remember 1950’s movies where the other planets in our solar system where inhabited by humanoids and even the moon was teeming with life??? These are the thoughts of Man, which are far removed from the thoughts of God.

Mayweather proved he wasn’t a gutless lump... He made over half a billion as a fighter... He beat 3 HOF caliber boxers who won Middleweight Titles... Hearns was knocked out by 3 present or future Middleweight Champions... Mayweather has never been knocked off his feet... Hearns has been severely hammered and badly beaten... knocked down... knocked out... flattened... blown away... bullied... bothered... blasted... battered... and crushed... He was not a great defender it seems.

On the other hand Floyd... Well, you know Floyd’s story.. The most accurate with his punch output.. The best defender numerically.. The greatest boxer of the last generation... Never really knocked down---only a miniscule glove touch... Ranked Number One Fighter in History by Boxrec.com...etc. etc. etc.
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Old-N-Moldie... You're such a bainless idiot you think a 6 pound pull in weight would magically overcome major fistic deficits.... Floyd won 3 World Titles at 154 against men who were future 160 pound champions and are future HOFers.

Tommy had pugilistic deficits such as: Major chin problems.... Gaping defensive holes that poorly skilled Iran Barkley ran a truck through.... A thin, skinny, weak body at 147.... Folded like a deck chair against Ray Leonard from making Welterweight.... Thought he could match punch resistance with Marvin Hagler, a man who was only decked once and only staggered a few times in his career.... Skinny Hearns was wasted in 3 rounds as Hagler battered the wide open target freely -- and blew him away with right hands -- as usually happened to skinny Tommy when he got knocked out.

Hearns looked scared out of his wits against Barkley, Hagler, and Leonard when he got hit good and staggered.... Like he didn't have any idea how to haul himself out of those situations.... It didn't matter if he were 147 or 160.

Floyd Mayweather doesn't have gaping flaws in his game... His connect percentage and the ratio of punches that he effectively defends are the highest in the History of Punch Stat Analysis according to HBO and Showtime....

You claim that a boxer's performance at one weight is irrelevant to his performance at another weight.... If that were true, how could any expert analyst determine that Roy Jones would make easy work of John Ruiz at Heavyweight??? .... How could any analyst determine that Leonard would beat Hagler at a weight he never fought at before??? .... How could anybody determine that Emile Griffith could give up 10 pounds and beat Middleweight Champion Dick Tiger???

The way they could do that is by not being as limited, biased, stodgy, or slow in their thinking as Old-N-Moldie.
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It's worth noting that the skinny welterweight Hearns was doing same-day weigh-ins. Let the 153lb beast who destroyed Duran weigh in the day before and he would almost certainly make the welterweight limit. Does anyone think little Floyd can beat that version of Tommy Hearns? Personally I think Hearns is a stylistic nightmare for Floyd and I just can't see a way Floyd could win this matchup.
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golden oldie wrote: 12 Dec 2017, 12:57
Kalan wrote: 12 Dec 2017, 01:50 Old-N-Moldie... You're such a bainless idiot you think a 6 pound pull in weight would magically overcome major fistic deficits.... Floyd won 3 World Titles at 154 against men who were future 160 pound champions and are future HOFers.

Tommy had pugilistic deficits such as: Major chin problems.... Gaping defensive holes that poorly skilled Iran Barkley ran a truck through.... A thin, skinny, weak body at 147.... Folded like a deck chair against Ray Leonard from making Welterweight.... Thought he could match punch resistance with Marvin Hagler, a man who was only decked once and only staggered a few times in his career.... Skinny Hearns was wasted in 3 rounds as Hagler battered the wide open target freely -- and blew him away with right hands -- as usually happened to skinny Tommy when he got knocked out.

Hearns looked scared out of his wits against Barkley, Hagler, and Leonard when he got hit good and staggered.... Like he didn't have any idea how to haul himself out of those situations.... It didn't matter if he were 147 or 160.

Floyd Mayweather doesn't have gaping flaws in his game... His connect percentage and the ratio of punches that he effectively defends are the highest in the History of Punch Stat Analysis according to HBO and Showtime....

You claim that a boxer's performance at one weight is irrelevant to his performance at another weight.... If that were true, how could any expert analyst determine that Roy Jones would make easy work of John Ruiz at Heavyweight??? .... How could any analyst determine that Leonard would beat Hagler at a weight he never fought at before??? .... How could anybody determine that Emile Griffith could give up 10 pounds and beat Middleweight Champion Dick Tiger???

The way they could do that is by not being as limited, biased, stodgy, or slow in their thinking as Old-N-Moldie.
Only last night I watched a programme in which a Muslim female journalist infiltrated a bunch or inbred red neck vermin who call themselves the NATIONAL SOCIALIST MOVEMENT ( Neo Nazis ) who held some pathetic rally in some shitt hole called Clarkseville Virginia, because apparently since you elected CHUMP, National Socialism ( Nazism ) is on the increase over there.

With consummate ease she made them look the inbred moronic vermin they actually are. When reading your drivel I wonder if you are cut from the same cloth, with the fantasies, and bullshitt you constantly write.

Mayflower fought 2 legitimate fights at 154, plus 1 catchweight, and NOT the 3 you claim. He did NOT face a legitimate Middleweight in ANY of those fights at the time.

During those 3 fights he managed to weigh a whole 151 on one occasion. SO HERE ARE THE FACTS.

Between 147 and 154 Mayflower has had 15 fights against pro BOXERS, and he has managed to stop 2 of them. Hatton, and the questionable stoppage of Ortiz. And of course adding to your problem of promoting how wonderful Mayflower is, 7 of the guys he fought at 147 or above had already been stopped previous to him facing them. Though not Hatton ( I'll give you him )

Tommy Hearns on the other hand had 39 fights in which he weighed in between 147 and 154. He managed to stop 34 of those guys.

Perhaps now you might understand how I equate YOU to those inbred red neck morons that lady journalist exposed on international TV this year
Oh brother... This guys says "There is less than NOTHING on Mayflowers resume between 147 - 154 to suggest he could stop Hearns. Whereas EVERYTHING about Tommy's 147 - 154 resume suggests he could easily take Mayflower out."

First thing Old-N-Moldie you morbid squishbrain… Going off topic and using words like “consummate” only makes you look desperately uneducated and plain stupid. Trying to smear me with racist ideals and Trumpist ideology makes you a reckless, impulsive hater and mud slinger. It is well known that I loathe Trump and everything he stands for, especially his racist, nationalist “America First” leanings. If you go through my 8000 posts this becomes clear. I’m an internationalist, though you lack the brains to know what that means.

You harbor hate and anti-American feelings. You paint the US with a broad brush. I have nothing against Brits. I’m a big Joshua fan and will confirm Lennox Lewis’s superiority over Riddick Bowe all day every day. I’m also a big fan of David Haye, Kell Brook, and many other UK fighters. Unlike you and Vivek Wallace, I don’t ask where anybody comes from or what color they are. Just because a dumbass like you happens to be British doesn’t reflect on the Empire.

Closed minded individuals like you, who hate others based on their nationality, race, religion, or ethnicity subsist in every nation and race. If the world were rid of hatred, humanity would soon be liberated of wars, conflict, the use of: force, violence, repression, segregation, exclusion, and ill feeling towards others in general.

As to the topic of the thread: if Hearns failed to KO Afonso Hayman at Welterweight, who was beaten and knocked out many times before and after he fought Tommy Hearns ... and if Hearns failed to KO Luigi Minchillo at Super Welterweight, a guy who had been knocked out before and who Mike McCallum knocked out as well ... and if Hearns failed to KO Ernie Singletary at Middleweight, a guy who was knocked out in his previous fight by Frank Fletcher ... how’s he going to stop Floyd Mayweather who was never even knocked off his feet in any fight and was one of the most difficult guys to hit in Fistic annals???

As you said, Ricky Hatton had never been knocked out before he fought Floyd in 43 fights, and everybody with a brain knew he was going to get knocked out by Mayweather... Victor Ortiz was never put down for the 10-count before he fought Floyd... I’m quite certain that given Hearns’ susceptibility to right hands, and Floyd’s masterful expertise in throwing right hands, that Floyd would hammer Hearns with a major number of right handers – either to beat Hearns by KO – or pound him into a decision loss – given Hearns’ propensity to fade against a world class boxer like Leonard at that weight – because he was so weak from making 147 – I’d expect a KO by Floyd.
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golden oldie wrote: 12 Dec 2017, 20:46
because he was so weak from making 147
Well done, you managed to get ONE thing right. So basically you want a weight drained version of Hearns
I don't want a weight drained version of Hearns... He WOULD be weight drained as he was when SRL battered him.

Everything else you wrote is nonsensical Bull Crap from a mentally deranged hater...

including say Hatton was "ruined" by Kostya Tszyu... Hatton wasn't beaten up and stopped -- it was Tszyu who was beaten up and stopped idiot... Tszyu never fought again.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: What an IDIOT you are.
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Kalan wrote: 13 Dec 2017, 02:10
golden oldie wrote: 12 Dec 2017, 20:46
because he was so weak from making 147
Well done, you managed to get ONE thing right. So basically you want a weight drained version of Hearns
I don't want a weight drained version of Hearns... He WOULD be weight drained as he was when SRL battered him.

Everything else you wrote is nonsensical Bull Crap from a mentally deranged hater...

including say Hatton was "ruined" by Kostya Tszyu... Hatton wasn't beaten up and stopped -- it was Tszyu who was beaten up and stopped idiot... Tszyu never fought again.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: What an IDIOT you are.
Wait, wait, wait...

You admit that you believe he was weight drained when he succumbed in the 14th round to a natural welterweight with hall of fame skills and clear punching power??? And this is the guy that you describe as "chinny dandelion fluff"??

Why? Because he was stopped in a war with a hard punching middleweight (and another hall of famer) and ran into a shot from a strong punching middle who fought all the way up to heavyweight in his career??

I have to say, you sound as though you are going out of your way not to give Hearns credit. I think you are just trying to piss off his fans a bit here.
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Hearns all day, 5 inch height advantage and 6 inch reach advantage, thunderous power and it's not like Tommy had no skills. His chin wasn't that bad either, when fellas like Hagler and Barkley crack you in the mush you will go down.
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banjo wrote: 13 Dec 2017, 10:11 [Hearns'] chin wasn't that bad .....when fellas like Hagler and Barkley crack you in the mush you will go down.
Depends on your chin... Tough guys like Nunn, Kalambay, Benn, and Toney didn't go down..... Hearns went down and OUT!!!

Nunn, Kalamaby, and Toney never got wobbled from Barkley any rarely hit the deck form anybody

Mayweather never went down at all... never knocked off his feet - and he fought some hitters... There's plenty of fighters Hearns FAILED to KO who were blasted out by other Welterweights, Super Welterweights, and Middleweights.
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jas80s wrote: 13 Dec 2017, 03:14 You admit that you believe he was weight drained when he succumbed in the 14th round to a natural welterweight with hall of fame skills and clear punching power??? And this is the guy that you describe as "chinny dandelion fluff"??
It's an apt description of Tommy's physicality in that fight... Leonard timed that fight extremely well ... as usual.

Another guy with brilliant timing was Mayweather... He'll wait 7 years for the right moment to fight you... So you know that fight would be at 147 also... Floyd gives you more money than you ever made in exchange for the weight, venue, gloves, officials, and everything else of his liking... He didn't select CJ Ross or Tom Kazcmarek... Floyd give bread crumbs to get the fight done... Everybody else gives an arm and a leg to get the fight done....because it's so much money.

Floyd took a page from Leonard and did it better.
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Two things should be remembered. One is Hearns outgrew welterweight very young, he lost to SRR aged 22 and never made that weight again. Secondly they had same day weigh-ins then, if he were about today he would've weighed in much heavier than FMM.

At 22 FMM was still a super-featherweight.
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Controversial wrote: 13 Dec 2017, 16:14 Two things should be remembered. One is Hearns outgrew welterweight very young, he lost to SRR aged 22 and never made that weight again. Secondly they had same day weigh-ins then, if he were about today he would've weighed in much heavier than FMM.
Plus he was a Welterweight from the get go. Floyd began at 130. Tommy is WAY bigger than Mayweather.
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golden oldie wrote: 14 Dec 2017, 06:12
As for your moronic claim that Hatton wasn't ruined in the fight with K.T. you obviously know nothing about Hatton and haven't seen him fight. That fight was his Frazier moment in the FOTC, he took shots he had never taken before and determination made him keep going.
Hatton was never a true welterweight anyway, his division was light-welter. He only had one win at welterweight against Luis Collazo and he struggled in that fight, quite a few people thought Collazo done enough to win. The flash knockdown in the opening seconds of round one was probably enough to swing it in favour of Hatton. The two other times Hatton fought at WW he was knocked out (FMM and Senchenko)
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Kalan wrote: 13 Dec 2017, 15:22
jas80s wrote: 13 Dec 2017, 03:14 You admit that you believe he was weight drained when he succumbed in the 14th round to a natural welterweight with hall of fame skills and clear punching power??? And this is the guy that you describe as "chinny dandelion fluff"??
It's an apt description of Tommy's physicality in that fight... Leonard timed that fight extremely well ... as usual.

Another guy with brilliant timing was Mayweather... He'll wait 7 years for the right moment to fight you... So you know that fight would be at 147 also... Floyd gives you more money than you ever made in exchange for the weight, venue, gloves, officials, and everything else of his liking... He didn't select CJ Ross or Tom Kazcmarek... Floyd give bread crumbs to get the fight done... Everybody else gives an arm and a leg to get the fight done....because it's so much money.

Floyd took a page from Leonard and did it better.
OK, fair enough, but if that's true then there really is no prime WW Hearns versus prime WW Mayweather fight to consider in the first place. No fighter who is weight drained could really be considered in his prime, in my opinion. None of us know of Hearns condition for the fight, we are not in his body, but nonetheless, an interesting take.

Also, a guy who could survive to the 14th round, out boxing his opponent for the first 12 of those rounds WHILE being weight drained for the fight is "chinny"? And the opponent we are talking about is ONLY Ray Leonard after all. Man, you hold this guy to a high standard. :OhYes:
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golden oldie wrote: 14 Dec 2017, 06:12
Name these " PLENTY " of 147 - 154 fighters that Hearns failed to KO
You can't read moron... I said there's plenty Welterweights, Super Welterweights, and Middleweights Hearns failed to KO.

Starting with the Welterweights he failed to KO, there's: Alfonso Hayman.... Ray Leonard.... Mike Colbertt.... Wilfred Benitez.... Luigi Minchillo.... Earnie Singletary.... Doug DeWitt.... Marvin Hagler.... Murry Sutherland.... etc.

Hearns failed to KO opponents in 19 fights... Leonard failed to KO 15.... Hager failed to KO 15.... Iran Barkley failed to KO 36 of his opponents....which is MOST of his opponents....but he got rid of Hearns in 3 rounds by stretching the China-chin.... Mayweather owns a higher KO ratio than Barkley... Hearns was a lot weaker at 147 than 160---but got knocked out at both weights. Mayweather was never knocked off his feet.... knocked down.... knocked out.... or beaten.

Wilfred Benitez was certainly a China-chin who got blasted out of his career at an early age because he couldn't hang with punchers and was easy to hit.... Leonard floored Benitez with a jab which Hearns lacked the power to do... Hearns also lacked the power to KO Benitez, - who was knocked out by 2nd raters who few people have ever heard of.
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Kalan wrote: 13 Dec 2017, 15:04
banjo wrote: 13 Dec 2017, 10:11 [Hearns'] chin wasn't that bad .....when fellas like Hagler and Barkley crack you in the mush you will go down.
Depends on your chin... Tough guys like Nunn, Kalambay, Benn, and Toney didn't go down..... Hearns went down and OUT!!!

Nunn, Kalamaby, and Toney never got wobbled from Barkley any rarely hit the deck form anybody

Mayweather never went down at all... never knocked off his feet - and he fought some hitters... There's plenty of fighters Hearns FAILED to KO who were blasted out by other Welterweights, Super Welterweights, and Middleweights.
All of those guys are supper middleweights and would've put Floyd out to.
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IKSRTFO wrote: 14 Dec 2017, 14:58
Kalan wrote: 13 Dec 2017, 15:04
banjo wrote: 13 Dec 2017, 10:11 [Hearns'] chin wasn't that bad .....when fellas like Hagler and Barkley crack you in the mush you will go down.
Depends on your chin... Tough guys like Nunn, Kalambay, Benn, and Toney didn't go down..... Hearns went down and OUT!!!

Nunn, Kalamaby, and Toney never got wobbled from Barkley any rarely hit the deck form anybody

Mayweather never went down at all... never knocked off his feet - and he fought some hitters... There's plenty of fighters Hearns FAILED to KO who were blasted out by other Welterweights, Super Welterweights, and Middleweights.
All of those guys are supper middleweights and would've put Floyd out too
Nunn and Toney would have certainly beaten Floyd at Middleweight, no doubt about it.... But I don't see Benn or Barkley beating Floyd at 160.... Floyd wanted to fight Jemain Tayor at 160 after he beat De La Hoya at 154... Floyd Sr advised him it was too big a risk... Taylor is 6'1" and came into the ring over 170... Floyd had trouble getting to 154 so the weight was a problem... But Cory Spinks easily went the distance with Jermain and got good punches on him in a SD loss... Cory was knocked out by Zab Judah so I think Floyd would have beaten Taylor by finessing him like Duran did to Barkley.... Oscar, Cotto, and Canelo won Middleweight Titles - so I'm pretty sure Floyd could have also because he beat them.

Duran loved his chances at 160 against Iran Barkley... Floyd couldn't have beaten most Middleweight Champions... But it's like Roy Jones going after the Heavyweight Title - you have to pick the right guy at the right time.
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Kalan wrote: 14 Dec 2017, 15:37
Nunn and Toney would have certainly beaten Floyd at Middleweight, no doubt about it....

Floyd couldn't have beaten most Middleweight Champions...


You’ve changed your tune?

Kalan wrote: 02 Dec 2017, 19:54 Floyd wasn't very big, but I see him outboxing Barkley.. Hearns.. Kalambay.. Benn.. Jermain Taylor.. and a few other Middleweight Champions.

Kalan wrote: 30 Nov 2017, 01:41
Hearns did seem like he'd be hard to beat at 154.. That seemed to be a real good weight for him and he looked stronger.. At 147 Floyd beats him all day.
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Re: Tommy Hearns Vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr

Post by Kalan »

Why don't you screw off and shoot yourself you foul mouthed hating bastard? ... You're a waste of space and oxygen.
Kalan
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Re: Tommy Hearns Vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr

Post by Kalan »

You're the Nazi shittface... You hate people based on their nationality I don't

And BTW.... piss off idiot.
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Re: Tommy Hearns Vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr

Post by zockerbit »

One of my dreamfights. Two outstanding boxers.

But I have a clear idea about this bout.

I think Hearns would be Mayweater Jr's nightmare with his reach, speed, combinations and stamina. I would pick Hearns as a rather clear winner by points, not closer than 7 rounds to 5, or by TKO.
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