Povetkin should stay away from Joshua

[Badhusker]

I have to admit that the Povetkin who destroyed the normally extremely tough and durable Duhaupas (albeit a very short notice replacement) bears little resemblance to the Povetkin who laboured to a points decision over Rudenko and Hammer. The guy is 38 now but his skills don't seem to have suffered like his power, and I'm not going to rule out coming off PEDs as a possible explanation.

The Russians are known for promoting the use of PEDs among their athletes, I guess a Russian boxer might have a rather more relaxed attitude to using drugs to get ahead than his counterpart in the west (not that they are all squeaky clean in the west of course) That doesn't excuse cheating but it makes it a little easier to understand that it is probably tempting not to kick against the system but to go with the flow..

I do like Povetkin though. He has good defense while going forward, cuts the ring off well, and throws excellent hooks and uppercuts, mixing them up very effectively. I find him very good to watch and I admire his willingness to take on quality opposition ... and Hammer

I do agree though that Joshua is too big and too good, and Povetkin would most likely get a good payday and a good hiding. I've an idea Eddie would be quite keen on a Joshua v Povetkin fight. I'd give him a good chance against Wilder even now though. An even better chance if he can stop off at the Chemist (drugstore) enroute.

You spew a lot of BS without saying much. Beginning to remind me of an odd version of EO, or another dipshit that used to post here.

[diddy]

Povetkin looked awful. Another roided up Russian fraud.

[funso banjo baby]

Povetkin hasn't been beaten by anyone other than Wlad.

His record since then is one of the best in the division regardless of how you rate him.

Until he gets beaten he is still at number 2

lets remember that only Fury is the champ.. Joshua is number 1 contender.

Wilder has slipped behind Parker after the silly defence against Stifferne

Until these guys fight each other we will never know the truth.

[greg]

...I guess a Russian boxer might have a rather more relaxed attitude to using drugs to get ahead than his counterpart in the west (not that they are all squeaky clean in the west of course) That doesn't excuse cheating but it makes it a little easier to understand that it is probably tempting not to kick against the system but to go with the flow..

...speaking of the Russian professional boxers who used/have been using PEDs the following info might be helpful as a basis for comparison with their "counterparts in the west":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... _in_boxing

[gilgamesh]

Povetkin hasn't been beaten by anyone other than Wlad.

His record since then is one of the best in the division regardless of how you rate him.

Until he gets beaten he is still at number 2

lets remember that only Fury is the champ.. Joshua is number 1 contender.

Wilder has slipped behind Parker after the silly defence against Stifferne

Until these guys fight each other we will never know the truth.

Putting Parker ahead of Wilder is showing your bias a little too much. Parker has looked like sh*t in almost all of his big fights. Wilder at least gets KO's.

Povetkin just can't be rated #2 due to the PED positives in my opinion, but I agree he has the best resume of any of the current contenders. I also wonder if he'd be licensed to fight anywhere other than Russia.

[Badhusker]

I don't think it's a question of Povetkin staying away from them. I don't think anybody is ever gonna bother to give him a shot again since he can't be counted on to actually show up at the fight without failing a drug test.

Staying away from them? If you are responding to what someone said, quote it so we can understand WTF you are talkng about. If what you say has nothing to do with what a previous poster said, I would understand. A couple other people do this too, but it is, and they are, stupid.

[gilgamesh]

I don't think it's a question of Povetkin staying away from them. I don't think anybody is ever gonna bother to give him a shot again since he can't be counted on to actually show up at the fight without failing a drug test.

Staying away from them? If you are responding to what someone said, quote it so we can understand WTF you are talkng about. If what you say has nothing to do with what a previous poster said, I would understand. A couple other people do this too, but it is, and they are, stupid.

It was questionably worded I'll give you that, but I wasn't quoting anybody. That line was in response to the thread title.

When I say "I don't think it's a question of Povetkin staying away from them" I mean, I don't think it's really his choice as to whether or not he gets a Joshua fight or not. Joshua (or Eddie Hearn) is in the driver's seat or Wilder (Haymon) is, and I doubt they'd waste their time negotiating a big fight with a guy that can't be counted on to show up drug free.

[jamamb]

what if hes the mandatory though? can they just ignore him w/o being stripped?

[gilgamesh]

what if hes the mandatory though? can they just ignore him w/o being stripped?

I don't know. We'll cross that bridge when we come to it I suppose. At the very least he should be forced to fight Joshua in England or Wilder in the U.S. as the case may be. He doesn't deserve to have the fight in Russia, and the likelihood is high that he WILL be on something if it's in Russia, whether he tests positive or not.

[boxing_rocks]

If it was Jennings, Scott, another American who would win almost all rounds and hurt their opponent a few times, that would be a case of schooling. But Povetkin "looked awful" while doing that. Beside Wlad, Joshua or Wilder haven't fought anybody as good.

[asdfjkl]

what if hes the mandatory though? can they just ignore him w/o being stripped?

No you can't, unless your name is Deontay Wilder

[KiwiRider]

Povetkin is officially the WBA mandatory for Joshua now. They have yet another reason to put the Wilder fight off.

True, and who else should he fight?
Be nice for him to get a good retirement pay, plus it is a fight I would like to see after AJ has had Parker for breakfast in March, and Wilder is still faffing about on social media. Nice gap filler IMO

[Deleted_Scenes]

All I'm saying, is if Povetkin isn't a suitable opponent for Joshua, then apart from Wilder, who SHOULD Joshua fight? He's going to have more than 1 more fight before he retires... Who else should he fight?

Parker has looked like garbage in half his fights. Fury may never be a top fighter again... Nobody, except Wilder, is higher level than Povetkin. Maybe not even Wilder (his best win is still an out of shape Stiverne).

[Kalan]

He just wins all rounds, I don't see any other boxer out there who's better, Tyson Fury mught become it again, but not any time soon.

Hahahaha. That was a good one. Tyson Fury who has no power actualy knocked Hammer down.


Povetkin is no beast anymore without his doping. Parker beats him too lmao,

Povetkin never doped and there's no evidence he ever did... Parker wouldn't beat him... But they waited Povetkin out so now he's an old man... By his 2 most recent performances he's not going to beat Joshua, but he did better against Takam than Joshua did -- but Povetkin-Takam was over 3 years ago and that's when he should have gotten his shot... Both Povetkin and Ortiz are old men now... They were effectively side lined by Wilder and the WBC for years with the help of VADA -- who lied their cheating asses off and were forced to admit that Povetkin didn't use PEDs for Wilder.

[IronFrost]

He just wins all rounds, I don't see any other boxer out there who's better, Tyson Fury mught become it again, but not any time soon.

Hahahaha. That was a good one. Tyson Fury who has no power actualy knocked Hammer down.


Povetkin is no beast anymore without his doping. Parker beats him too lmao,

Povetkin never doped and there's no evidence he ever did... Parker wouldn't beat him... But they waited Povetkin out so now he's an old man... By his 2 most recent performances he's not going to beat Joshua, but he did better against Takam than Joshua did -- but Povetkin-Takam was over 3 years ago and that's when he should have gotten his shot... Both Povetkin and Ortiz are old men now... They were effectively side lined by Wilder and the WBC for years with the help of VADA -- who lied their cheating asses off and were forced to admit that Povetkin didn't use PEDs for Wilder.

Funny boy. 2 failed tests and changes in his body. Even blind person would notice that.

You are biased Russian troll or IDK lmao hahaha

[jamamb]

funny how he suddenly lost that ktfo power too

[IronFrost]

funny how he suddenly lost that ktfo power too

It's funny that those Russian people/fans blame others for their own faults.


Povetkin failed twice , his body has drasticaly changed and a now he can not KO bums like Rudenko or Hammer OMG.

Fury just knocked down Hammer!!!!!!!!!

It was all about his PEDS

[SFW]

It's Wilder's fault it's America's fault! America is to blame! Let's call it the Gutter Rat National Anthem it certainly gets enough air time. Maybe we'll hear it at the Olympics.. Oh wait

[jamamb]

trump forced povetkin to take drugs. thats what all the russia nonsense is about that he doesnt want ppl to know

[asdfjkl]

Povetkin is officially the WBA mandatory for Joshua now. They have yet another reason to put the Wilder fight off.

True, and who else should he fight?
Be nice for him to get a good retirement pay, plus it is a fight I would like to see after AJ has had Parker for breakfast in March, and Wilder is still faffing about on social media. Nice gap filler IMO

Then Wilder can fight Parker after AJ and Parker fought right?
Sounds like a great fight to me and Wilder used to say he wanted to fight Parker.
Fury is another option ofcourse, both Fury's btw.

[asdfjkl]

trump forced povetkin to take drugs. thats what all the russia nonsense is about that he doesnt want ppl to know

Well, thanks to the American lab who failed to do a proper job, there are actually some dumb people out there who think Povetkin did something wrong. While in reality Povetkin is 100% innocent when Wilder run away scared spreading bullshit.

[candyslim]

I have to admit that the Povetkin who destroyed the normally extremely tough and durable Duhaupas (albeit a very short notice replacement) bears little resemblance to the Povetkin who laboured to a points decision over Rudenko and Hammer. The guy is 38 now but his skills don't seem to have suffered like his power, and I'm not going to rule out coming off PEDs as a possible explanation.

The Russians are known for promoting the use of PEDs among their athletes, I guess a Russian boxer might have a rather more relaxed attitude to using drugs to get ahead than his counterpart in the west (not that they are all squeaky clean in the west of course) That doesn't excuse cheating but it makes it a little easier to understand that it is probably tempting not to kick against the system but to go with the flow..

I do like Povetkin though. He has good defense while going forward, cuts the ring off well, and throws excellent hooks and uppercuts, mixing them up very effectively. I find him very good to watch and I admire his willingness to take on quality opposition ... and Hammer

I do agree though that Joshua is too big and too good, and Povetkin would most likely get a good payday and a good hiding. I've an idea Eddie would be quite keen on a Joshua v Povetkin fight. I'd give him a good chance against Wilder even now though. An even better chance if he can stop off at the Chemist (drugstore) enroute.

You spew a lot of BS without saying much. Beginning to remind me of an odd version of EO, or another dipshit that used to post here.

I love you too BH. How's the view from your vantage point wedged between Wilder's arse-cheeks. Pretty restricted I imagine?

[candyslim]

ps BH. I don't always agree with him but as a poster EO is worth ten of you in my opinion.

...I guess a Russian boxer might have a rather more relaxed attitude to using drugs to get ahead than his counterpart in the west (not that they are all squeaky clean in the west of course) That doesn't excuse cheating but it makes it a little easier to understand that it is probably tempting not to kick against the system but to go with the flow..

...speaking of the Russian professional boxers who used/have been using PEDs the following info might be helpful as a basis for comparison with their "counterparts in the west":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... _in_boxing

Well my comments were largely based on your nation's olympic policy Greg. It wasn't my intention to offend you but this is very much the international perception be that justified or not. I stand by what I said.

[greg]

ps BH. I don't always agree with him but as a poster EO is worth ten of you in my opinion.

...I guess a Russian boxer might have a rather more relaxed attitude to using drugs to get ahead than his counterpart in the west (not that they are all squeaky clean in the west of course) That doesn't excuse cheating but it makes it a little easier to understand that it is probably tempting not to kick against the system but to go with the flow..

...speaking of the Russian professional boxers who used/have been using PEDs the following info might be helpful as a basis for comparison with their "counterparts in the west":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category: ... _in_boxing

Well my comments were largely based on your nation's olympic policy Greg. It wasn't my intention to offend you but this is very much the international perception be that justified or not. I stand by what I said.

Candy, no offence taken ..I'm aware of the international perception..I'm a vocal critic of ANY ped's abuse just thought we should stick to professional boxing..

[Loki]

I think Povetkin vs Joshua is interesting. I pick AJ, but it’s not a walk over IMO.