Has a record of 15-7 with 12 knockouts in world title fights.
Has a record of 11-9-1 with 1 no contest and 7 knockouts against former or current world titlists.
Which was his best and/or defining win?
What was his best KO win?
Some names that he has fought include:
Phillip Holiday
Jesse James Leija
Oscar De La Hoya (2x)
Fernando Vargas (2x)
Ricardo Mayorga
Antonio Margarito
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Another question..
Regardless of win/loss.. Who was his best opponent?
From the list above, this would include the likes of:
Vernon Forrest
Ronald Wright
Miguel Cotto
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Manny Pacquiao
Saul Alvarez
golden oldie wrote: ↑24 Dec 2017, 09:17
I think if you have to discount everything that occurred post Vargas, because by that time Mosley was 35 +.
At 35, he definately wasn't in his prime, he didn't really record many good wins either, but showed that he was still a top fighter between 147 and 154..
Oscar DeLa Hoya. Vernon Forrest seemed to take something from Shane in their first fight, he was never the same. I’d say Mayorga was his next best and a great performance.
Obviously the wins over ODLH were the highlight of Mosley's career.
Oscar is an icon, and although I feel Mosley lost both fights (the second one convincingly even if ODLH did his customary fade in the late rounds) he'll always be remembered for being the only man to twice defeat Oscar.
But certainly his greatest performance may have been shocking 4-1 favorite Margarito when the Mexican was flying high following his beat down of Cotto.
Mosley was considered over the hill and just another victim in waiting for the Tijuana Tornado.
But it turned out to be a return to Glory Days for Sugar.
But after that upset, he never again was a legitimate championship threat.
I've always had a problem with this fighter and its hard to explain. I watched all of his fights, so that makes me, by definition, a fan. The hype machine and the transparency of its workings was never more apparent to me than in his first win over Oscar. HBO was tripping over itself looking to anoint him PFP best. Then we saw all the pouting from him early in the corner against Winky Wright. Then of course there was the 2nd Oscar "win" and later, the explosve night against Margarito (the ironic win, IMO).
For me, the September 2009 deposition kinda tells the tale.
Better yet, his 2nd round retreat from Mayweather underlined it all.
Here's a guy who had been cheating with plastered hand wraps for many years.... I suspected he had loaded gloves in the Martinez, Clottey, both Cintron fights, and the first Cotto fight... The way Cotto was wincing from shots that weren't thrown well or landing well was a dead giveaway.... Cotto is a great fighter and you need to hit him good to hurt him... A young Mosley couldn't hurt Cotto at all - are you telling me that lame Margarito is going to hurt him???
I was happy Nazim Richardson finally caught this bastard... And Mosley smashing him nonstop and blasting him out was a treat... I was amazed they ever let Margarito fight again... Boxing is a deadly sport without having loaded gloves - but with plastered wraps you could easily KILL somebody because your goal is to KO him unlawfully and brutally.
For me, if you want to rule fairly, Margarito never boxes again.
Kalan, I wish you would have gone to the proper authorities (both criminal and within boxing) and informed them that Margarito had been cheating for years.
No one was aware of this except for you.
If only you had used your astounding insight and revealed what the dastardly Tijuana Tornado was up to you.
Why did you allow one fighter after another to be bludgeoned "unlawfully and brutally?"
Shame. Shame. You knew and you stayed quiet. You sir, are complicit.
You obviously can't read... I said "I suspected he had loaded gloves in the Martinez, Clottey, both Cintron fights, and the first Cotto fight." .... Suspecting and KNOWING are 2 different things.... It occurred to me several times to call Mosley's camp while they were preparing for Margarito, but I never did... I'm sure as Hell glad they figured it out... What a relief.
I'm actually a highly suspicious individual... I question many people's motives and actions... But I'd never want to be known as an alarmist... You only have to be dead wrong about an accusation once .... and you hurt somebody's reputation.
Kalan wrote: ↑26 Dec 2017, 04:34
It occurred to me several times to call Mosley's camp while they were preparing for Margarito, but I never did... I'm sure as Hell glad they figured it out... What a relief.
I can only imagine their gratitude, and humble sense of blessedness, that an expert of such renown would take his time and condescend to help them
I think they had it figured out... I think Nazim was looking at the gloves and wraps real carefully.... It was so obvious from the Cotto fight.... When has Cotto ever flinched or winced from punches that weren't even thrown that well???
The Rican is world class all the way and he's running from this tyro swinger.
Ned Merrill wrote: ↑01 Jan 2018, 11:25
I think Floyd adjusted in that fight in the heat of round 2. He pressed the moment and had Mosley moving in reverse.
Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑30 Dec 2017, 12:12Which was his best and/or defining win?
Best and Defining win was Oscar De La Hoya I
What was his best KO win?
Probably stopping Ricardo Mayorga in the 2nd fight. The build up was really bad.
Regardless of win/loss.. Who was his best opponent?
Vernon Forrest
Ronald Wright
Miguel Cotto
Floyd Mayweather Jr
Manny Pacquiao
Saul Alvarez
All the names mentioned above beat Mosley whilst in their prime. Meaning Mosley only lost to the best.
If I have to narrow it down to one. Floyd Mayweather Jr The way FMJ adjusted in that fight after round 2.
Mosley himself was way past it in these fights except for Forrest.
His best win was certainly the first DLH fight. He should not have got the decision in the 2nd DLH which was not nearly as good.
Either De La Hoya 1 or Margarito. Margarito was the #1 ranked guy in the Welterweight division, and was favored to beat Mosley. Beating Margarito is what got him the Mayweather fight.
Have to go with De La Hoya. DLH was in his prime. De La Hoya was the best fighter that Mosley beat. He fought a great fight, but Mosley was even better.
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The De La Hoya win in the first fight was his signature win and best fight. His best opponent was probably between Mayweather and Pacquaio but he'd already long been faded by the time he met both. His best KO was the absolute beating of Margarito.
Mosley was an exceptional fighter but I'm not sure how I define him. He was excellent at lightweight showing an incredible blend of speed, power and was skilled as an aggressor. He never unified or beat the other guys at the top of the division though so I can't rank him as a "great lightweight" in the manner of a Carlos Ortiz or a Pernell Whitaker for example. He skipped 140 and just after Felix Trinidad had left 147, Mosley became the man with the De La Hoya win. I've always felt if Oscar had fought Tito the way he fought Mosley, he'd have been KO'd and if he'd fought Mosley the way he'd fought Tito, he may have been the first to defeat Mosley. I think that led to Mosley being a little overrated especially by The Ring who were really pushing him as an equal of past Sugar's and the best fighter in the game. I remember in a special edition magazine they had, "The greats of the game", they put under Mosley's weaknesses, "What weakness?" and then a month after it came out he was thrashed by Vernon Forrest.
The Forrest fights took a lot out of him. He was just never the same again after them and really didn't look good all that often. I remember so many sloppy and dull fights. I don't really hold the Winky Wright losses against him as it was a bad style and the size of Wright however he'd been lucky to get a re-match win against De La Hoya in a fight that showed neither were special anymore and he was admittedly juiced too. He went through a spell of that being his only win over a period of 6 fights and a few years. Fernando Vargas and Ricardo Mayorga were totally washed up by the time he fought both. He did give a spirited effort against Miguel Cotto and of course the Margarito win definitely enhanced his legacy but I still can't really truly define him as a "great fighter". I put him in the class of De La Hoya and Cotto as being damn good, definite hall of fame but not quite great though the potential was there. Some bad career decisions in there and maybe with better management or a more protective promoter he could have done it differently. He really had such a hard time with the styles of Forrest and Wright and did sort of pointless re-matches too quickly, for example.
SenorPipino wrote: ↑24 Dec 2017, 20:59
Obviously the wins over ODLH were the highlight of Mosley's career.
Oscar is an icon, and although I feel Mosley lost both fights (the second one convincingly even if ODLH did his customary fade in the late rounds) he'll always be remembered for being the only man to twice defeat Oscar.
But certainly his greatest performance may have been shocking 4-1 favorite Margarito when the Mexican was flying high following his beat down of Cotto.
Mosley was considered over the hill and just another victim in waiting for the Tijuana Tornado.
But it turned out to be a return to Glory Days for Sugar.
But after that upset, he never again was a legitimate championship threat.
No way in hell Oscar won the first fight. Really easy to score. 4-2 Oscar and then Shane swept it.
His best wins were DLH. He jumped up two weights to shock Oscar. Most satisfying win was Margarito. People thought he was past it and Margarito was heavy favourite after beating Cotto, plus he was a cheating bastard! That KO was fuckin gold
I thought their first fight was a great fight. I thought Mosley deserved the decision. The 2nd fight was not nearly as good, and I don't think Mosley should have got the decision that time.
Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018, 19:32
I thought their first fight was a great fight. I thought Mosley deserved the decision. The 2nd fight was not nearly as good, and I don't think Mosley should have got the decision that time.
I can only imagine their gratitude, and humble sense of blessedness, that an expert of such renown would take his time and condescend to help them