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Although I thought Crawford would get it, still well deserved in my opinion with his victory over Canelo.
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it depends. i mean you can deffo make a case that he beat jacobs and canelo and that would clearly be a foty resume. but imo he lost to jacobs close and while i had him just ahead vs canelo i dont think the draw was far off. his wins werent clear, unlike some of the others. wangek ktfo roman second time, josh won by stoppages, crawford didnt lose a round, loma was head and shoulders above his opposition, etc.
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Well deserved. Quality opposition and fought well for what I’d consider an aging fighter. Brings the action/excitement....more evident in the Canelo fight than the Jacobs fight. Simply a pleasure to watch.
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Golovkin barely (and questionably) beats Jacobs, receives a draw with Canelo because he was "busier" (whatever happened to being rewarded because you land the more effective punches? Canelo was the one who did that) and that's deemed worthy of some FOY award?

Obviously these awards are bought and sold.
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SenorPipino wrote: 26 Dec 2017, 00:11 Golovkin barely (and questionably) beats Jacobs, receives a draw with Canelo because he was "busier" (whatever happened to being rewarded because you land the more effective punches? Canelo was the one who did that) and that's deemed worthy of some FOY award?

Obviously these awards are bought and sold.
The only way you are “rewarded because you land the more effective punches” is when a judge awards you a (as in one) round for it, unless you score a KTFO. Neither Jacobs or Gingerhead managed to “land the more effective punches” in the majority of the 12 rounds. 3G did.

Unfortunately, I still can’t agree with 3G winning the FOTY even though I had him winning both fights realtime. My vote would go for AJ, although I have no problem with Hitman Jr. (unifying 140) or Nomassiah (3 dominant wins, including Rigo) being voted FOTY.
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GGG has best wins on resume this years, but both fights was close. IMO Crawford or Lomachenko deserve FOY more. But im okay with that :box: :box: :box:
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I've seen that Jacobs fight a couple of times, and I'm not truly convinced he deserved that win. He gave so many rounds away in that fight.

He done Canelo over though. It wasn't wise of him even dropping the first 3 or 4 rounds even as the champ and dominating the rest. It's obvious Canelo only needs 3 or 4 rounds to draw or win fights.

I wasn't that impressed with him this year to be honest.
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Tanzio wrote: 26 Dec 2017, 06:06
SenorPipino wrote: 26 Dec 2017, 00:11 Golovkin barely (and questionably) beats Jacobs, receives a draw with Canelo because he was "busier" (whatever happened to being rewarded because you land the more effective punches? Canelo was the one who did that) and that's deemed worthy of some FOY award?

Obviously these awards are bought and sold.
The only way you are “rewarded because you land the more effective punches” is when a judge awards you a (as in one) round for it, unless you score a KTFO. Neither Jacobs or Gingerhead managed to “land the more effective punches” in the majority of the 12 rounds. 3G did.

Unfortunately, I still can’t agree with 3G winning the FOTY even though I had him winning both fights realtime. My vote would go for AJ, although I have no problem with Hitman Jr. (unifying 140) or Nomassiah (3 dominant wins, including Rigo) being voted FOTY.

Watch the fight (Canelo) again with open eyes and not a closed mind.

Canelo, even according to punch stats, landed more power punches than Golovkin.

Golovkin's punch edge came from jabs.

Effective punching (not just the overall numbers) was dominated by Canelo.

I don't care who's coming forward or who throws more punches.

It's always about landing effective punches.

The Mexican was easily the winner in that category over this so-called FOY.
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Fully deserved it for taking on the 2 most difficult fights that he could, although Joshua must have been close for his fight of the decade against Klitschko.

It did take Danny Jacobs to demonstrate some of GGG's shortcomings to finally get Canelo to sign, and even though the judging was a travesty Canelo showed fine boxing skills if not the confidence to try to win the fight.

For all his skill I can't believe Canelo's fans can be satisfied with the way he fought this time. The rematch will be explosive if he feels more confident and is willing to gamble. Otherwise the judges might not be so kind this time.
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SenorPipino wrote: 26 Dec 2017, 13:56
Tanzio wrote: 26 Dec 2017, 06:06
SenorPipino wrote: 26 Dec 2017, 00:11 Golovkin barely (and questionably) beats Jacobs, receives a draw with Canelo because he was "busier" (whatever happened to being rewarded because you land the more effective punches? Canelo was the one who did that) and that's deemed worthy of some FOY award?

Obviously these awards are bought and sold.
The only way you are “rewarded because you land the more effective punches” is when a judge awards you a (as in one) round for it, unless you score a KTFO. Neither Jacobs or Gingerhead managed to “land the more effective punches” in the majority of the 12 rounds. 3G did.

Unfortunately, I still can’t agree with 3G winning the FOTY even though I had him winning both fights realtime. My vote would go for AJ, although I have no problem with Hitman Jr. (unifying 140) or Nomassiah (3 dominant wins, including Rigo) being voted FOTY.

Watch the fight (Canelo) again with open eyes and not a closed mind.

Canelo, even according to punch stats, landed more power punches than Golovkin.

Golovkin's punch edge came from jabs.

Effective punching (not just the overall numbers) was dominated by Canelo.

I don't care who's coming forward or who throws more punches.

It's always about landing effective punches.

The Mexican was easily the winner in that category over this so-called FOY.
I pay as much attention to punch stats as I do to boxing commentators; none whatsoever. :OhYes:
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Srisaket is my pick personally but....I ate these things being done before the end of the year!

Does a decision win over Daniel Jacobs and a draw with Canelo beat a stoppage of Yaegashi a decision over Budler and a win over Taguchi? - That could be Melindo's year if he wins next week and he's not even being considered by many!

How about back to back wins over Lee Haskins and Zhanat Zhakiyanov by Burnett?

Wins over Gangian Lopez and PEdro Guevara by Ken Shiro?

Wins over Jason Sosa, Miguel Marriaga and Guillermo Rigondeaux?

A pair of wins over Roman Gonzalez?
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No complaints with GGG being fighter of the year, Lomachenko was right up there too and deserves an honorable mention.
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I've heard 3 different Fighter of the Year awards given from 3 different sources. Nobody's got it right yet.

Sometimes the Fighter of the Year award is all, but locked up, but this is one year where it's certainly up for debate.
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Boxing Prospect wrote: 26 Dec 2017, 16:00 Srisaket is my pick personally but....I ate these things being done before the end of the year!

Does a decision win over Daniel Jacobs and a draw with Canelo beat a stoppage of Yaegashi a decision over Budler and a win over Taguchi? - That could be Melindo's year if he wins next week and he's not even being considered by many!

How about back to back wins over Lee Haskins and Zhanat Zhakiyanov by Burnett?

Wins over Gangian Lopez and PEdro Guevara by Ken Shiro?

Wins over Jason Sosa, Miguel Marriaga and Guillermo Rigondeaux?

A pair of wins over Roman Gonzalez?
5'2" 108 lb fighter of the year? I doubt that will ever happen.
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melndo will have beaten 3 top 10 fighters (2 champs + a recent champ) if he wins on the 31st. thats at least worth a strong consideration even should you argue the smaller dvsons have less talent. and i mean if you want to go asbolute terms then even excellent 140 and 126 pounders would probably get there asses beaten like little chldren by the manuel charrs of the world.

2017 didnt really have any stand outs. lots of solid years but none really 'wow' worthy. so there are lots of feasble contenders.

craw
garcia
sor
aj
melndo if he wns

etc could all be chosen
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that u hoolan :lol:
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..with this and similar threads cropping up at the end of the year I thought why wouldn't some respected (no sarcasm here) publication or boxing site start making their own list like the "best" boxing venue of the year, the "best" home town decision of the year, the "best" officiating of the year etc... sort of establishing "golden raspberry award"..
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jamamb wrote: 25 Dec 2017, 21:03 it depends. i mean you can deffo make a case that he beat jacobs and canelo and that would clearly be a foty resume. but imo he lost to jacobs close and while i had him just ahead vs canelo i dont think the draw was far off. his wins werent clear, unlike some of the others. wangek ktfo roman second time, josh won by stoppages, crawford didnt lose a round, loma was head and shoulders above his opposition, etc.
what a dope. Yeah, Jacobs beat GGG. Learn the sport dude.
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SenorPipino wrote: 26 Dec 2017, 13:56
Tanzio wrote: 26 Dec 2017, 06:06
SenorPipino wrote: 26 Dec 2017, 00:11 Golovkin barely (and questionably) beats Jacobs, receives a draw with Canelo because he was "busier" (whatever happened to being rewarded because you land the more effective punches? Canelo was the one who did that) and that's deemed worthy of some FOY award?

Obviously these awards are bought and sold.
The only way you are “rewarded because you land the more effective punches” is when a judge awards you a (as in one) round for it, unless you score a KTFO. Neither Jacobs or Gingerhead managed to “land the more effective punches” in the majority of the 12 rounds. 3G did.

Unfortunately, I still can’t agree with 3G winning the FOTY even though I had him winning both fights realtime. My vote would go for AJ, although I have no problem with Hitman Jr. (unifying 140) or Nomassiah (3 dominant wins, including Rigo) being voted FOTY.

Watch the fight (Canelo) again with open eyes and not a closed mind.

Canelo, even according to punch stats, landed more power punches than Golovkin.

Golovkin's punch edge came from jabs.

Effective punching (not just the overall numbers) was dominated by Canelo.

I don't care who's coming forward or who throws more punches.

It's always about landing effective punches.

The Mexican was easily the winner in that category over this so-called FOY.
Interesting. I take it you thought Lara won vs Canelo then? Lara landed the more effective punches throughout the fight. The biggest reason many thought Canelo deserved it was because he was the one coming forward, even though Lara made him look foolish many times.
GGG will never get a clear decision win over Canelo. He needs a KO.
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Golovkin beat Canelo

Clear but close

There’s no right answer here but golovkins name along with Crawford, Loma etc should be in the conversation
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Badhusker wrote: 27 Dec 2017, 09:59
SenorPipino wrote: 26 Dec 2017, 13:56
Tanzio wrote: 26 Dec 2017, 06:06
The only way you are “rewarded because you land the more effective punches” is when a judge awards you a (as in one) round for it, unless you score a KTFO. Neither Jacobs or Gingerhead managed to “land the more effective punches” in the majority of the 12 rounds. 3G did.

Unfortunately, I still can’t agree with 3G winning the FOTY even though I had him winning both fights realtime. My vote would go for AJ, although I have no problem with Hitman Jr. (unifying 140) or Nomassiah (3 dominant wins, including Rigo) being voted FOTY.

Watch the fight (Canelo) again with open eyes and not a closed mind.

Canelo, even according to punch stats, landed more power punches than Golovkin.

Golovkin's punch edge came from jabs.

Effective punching (not just the overall numbers) was dominated by Canelo.

I don't care who's coming forward or who throws more punches.

It's always about landing effective punches.

The Mexican was easily the winner in that category over this so-called FOY.
Interesting. I take it you thought Lara won vs Canelo then? Lara landed the more effective punches throughout the fight. The biggest reason many thought Canelo deserved it was because he was the one coming forward, even though Lara made him look foolish many times.
GGG will never get a clear decision win over Canelo. He needs a KO.
My lord, Badhusker.

I was absolutely stunned when I heard that the bout was a split decision.

After the 3rd round, I felt that Lara did absolutely nothing but move his feet but not his hands.

Occasionally the Cuban did land some clean lead rights on Canelo, but they had zilch effect. Canelo wasn't as adept at moving his head a few years ago as he is now.

But Canelo's power kept Lara from doing anything of significance except for some nice defensive work. He was good at that. Punching not so much.

I was examining the Compubox punch stats and if people had some illusion (delusion?) that Lara won, it might have been because of his big edge in the jab department (55-9).

But it was a jab employed for survival purposes, to disrupt Canelo's rythym, and was certainly negated by the Mexican's large edge in power punches (88-52).

Those are the punches that win fights, not the flicking jab that Lara uses.

Effective, clean, hard shots are the ones that decide rounds.

When in doubt, ask yourself 'who hurt who more in a round?'

That's how a round should be judged.

I don't believe Lara ever hurt Canelo, but outboxed him very early in the bout.

But once Canelo stepped up the pace, he dominated with power shots, forced Lara into a defensive mode, and clearly won the bout.

I scored it 8-4 Alvarez. It could have been 9-3.















Canelo's power was keeping Lara
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