Povetkin not the same fighter since PED suspension..

[boxing_rocks]

The usual "pedvetkin" troll thread that clutters this place up. As far as I know Povetkin has won every single round since his run in with las vegas mafia's Doc Margaret Goodman and their ever so protected Wilder. Of course they'd much rather cast aspersions upon him than allow one of their precious cash cows, like Wilder or Joshua, to actually fight him. Just more bullshit from the "pedvetkin" kindergarten crowd.

If Povetkin is so innocent, why did he agree to pay a $250,000 fine for testing positive for PEDS? Sounds like an admission of guilt to me.

X2X......forgive me if I missed your response. Why would Povetkin pay a Quarter of a Million dollar fine if he is innocent?

FFS, this isn't about Wilder. Don't get your panties in a bundle.

That money was likely paid by Ryabinsky who wants Povetkin to keep fighting.

[Kalan]

How about a Povetkin, Ortiz, Briggs, and Browne round robin for the WDA (World Drug Association) belt?

That would be clear discrimination of Wilder and Joshua who must be included.

I've never heard about Wilder or Joshua failing a drug test

Povetkin has never failed a drug test either....

VADA and the WBC finally admitted he never took PEDs after a long "investigation" after they ruled that Wilder-Povetkin should be "postponed" .... They NEVER cancelled the fight... But they later installed their man Bermane Stiverne (Who actually DID fail VADA's drug tests) as an extra obstacle for Povetkin to go through... They completely excused Stiverne... Then they came up with a crap 10th of a nanogram of Osctarine which no other testing agency was ever able to verify as another smear job.... Povetkin is obviously falling off from age related deterioration which EVERYBODY goes through.

[jamamb]

How about a Povetkin, Ortiz, Briggs, and Browne round robin for the WDA (World Drug Association) belt?

add jarrell miller, dillian whyte, wach, and wawrzyk for an 8 man.

Have they flunked PED tests? You can't just go by the way things look even though I kind of did that in guessing Graziano and possibly Madison have substance issues.

yes they all failed. james toney too, sometimes appearences are decieving.

you cheeky bastard you

[Tony1244]

add jarrell miller, dillian whyte, wach, and wawrzyk for an 8 man.

Have they flunked PED tests? You can't just go by the way things look even though I kind of did that in guessing Graziano and possibly Madison have substance issues.

yes they all failed. james toney too, sometimes appearences are decieving.

you cheeky bastard you

You bum looker cheeky monkey. I feel bad for guys who are ripped and have never done PEDS but everyone thinks they're on PEDS. Kind of like a woman with natural huge melons, everyone thinks they're fake.

[Ilya Muromets]

The usual "pedvetkin" troll thread that clutters this place up. As far as I know Povetkin has won every single round since his run in with las vegas mafia's Doc Margaret Goodman and their ever so protected Wilder. Of course they'd much rather cast aspersions upon him than allow one of their precious cash cows, like Wilder or Joshua, to actually fight him. Just more bullshit from the "pedvetkin" kindergarten crowd.

If Povetkin is so innocent, why did he agree to pay a $250,000 fine for testing positive for PEDS? Sounds like an admission of guilt to me.

X2X......forgive me if I missed your response. Why would Povetkin pay a Quarter of a Million dollar fine if he is innocent?

“We have managed to prove that Ostarine entered Povetkin’s body with natural supplements,” Alexei Karpenko, a Povetkin representative said today. “The fine will be paid since there was a fact of negligence regarding the sports nourishment, which led to the cancellation of a scheduled bout (Vs. Stiverne).”


"Fact of negligence" . In reality it was shakedown money demanded by the western racketeers who run the boxing business.

[Ilya Muromets]

" Povetkin is obviously falling off from age related deterioration which EVERYBODY goes through."


How it it obvious? When was the last time he lost even a single round? They are waiting and hoping though, until they think they might dare to risk their precious US and UK cash cows in the ring with him.

[Tony1244]

If Povetkin is so innocent, why did he agree to pay a $250,000 fine for testing positive for PEDS? Sounds like an admission of guilt to me.

X2X......forgive me if I missed your response. Why would Povetkin pay a Quarter of a Million dollar fine if he is innocent?

“We have managed to prove that Ostarine entered Povetkin’s body with natural supplements,” Alexei Karpenko, a Povetkin representative said today. “The fine will be paid since there was a fact of negligence regarding the sports nourishment, which led to the cancellation of a scheduled bout (Vs. Stiverne).”


"Fact of negligence" . In reality it was shakedown money demanded by the western racketeers who run the boxing business.

Dr. Margaret Goodman rules the universe.

[Ilya Muromets]

X2X......forgive me if I missed your response. Why would Povetkin pay a Quarter of a Million dollar fine if he is innocent?

“We have managed to prove that Ostarine entered Povetkin’s body with natural supplements,” Alexei Karpenko, a Povetkin representative said today. “The fine will be paid since there was a fact of negligence regarding the sports nourishment, which led to the cancellation of a scheduled bout (Vs. Stiverne).”


"Fact of negligence" . In reality it was shakedown money demanded by the western racketeers who run the boxing business.

Dr. Margaret Goodman rules the universe.

If u say so, kid. Do u pray to her? Does she bring u presents for Christmas - or do u call it Saint Goodman's Eve?

[Tony1244]

“We have managed to prove that Ostarine entered Povetkin’s body with natural supplements,” Alexei Karpenko, a Povetkin representative said today. “The fine will be paid since there was a fact of negligence regarding the sports nourishment, which led to the cancellation of a scheduled bout (Vs. Stiverne).”


"Fact of negligence" . In reality it was shakedown money demanded by the western racketeers who run the boxing business.

Dr. Margaret Goodman rules the universe.

If u say so, kid. Do u pray to her? Does she bring u presents for Christmas - or do u call it Saint Goodman's Eve?

I'm not privileged to discuss the intricacies of the Goodman/Haymon conspiracy against Alex the Great.

[Ilya Muromets]

Dr. Margaret Goodman rules the universe.

If u say so, kid. Do u pray to her? Does she bring u presents for Christmas - or do u call it Saint Goodman's Eve?

I'm not privileged to discuss the intricacies of the Goodman/Haymon conspiracy against Alex the Great.

He means he can't discuss Saint Goodman and Saint Haymon with pagan unbelievers like me. Fair enough. You are entitled to worship as you please.

[Ilya Muromets]

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[asdfjkl]

I've never heard about Wilder or Joshua failing a drug test.

Both have been busted with drugs somehow, Wilder even quite recently and he even refused to sign any boxing contract when his lab was suspended.

Busted for recreational drugs? That's very different than flunking a PED test.

It's on the anti doping list, Meldonium wouldn't be a problem either, since it doesn't have any positive effects for a boxer, unlike their recreational drugs, that help you to get o the match comfortebly

[Tony1244]

If u say so, kid. Do u pray to her? Does she bring u presents for Christmas - or do u call it Saint Goodman's Eve?

I'm not privileged to discuss the intricacies of the Goodman/Haymon conspiracy against Alex the Great.

He means he can't discuss Saint Goodman and Saint Haymon with pagan unbelievers like me. Fair enough. You are entitled to worship as you please.

Yes, that's exactly what I meant. Seriously, I'd like to see Ped. go at with Wilder or Joshua too. We all do. But he keeps getting older, and he did flunk a test or two, and he hasn't looked all that impressive since then as the OP suggest. I think we can all agree we want the pace picked up dramatically of the best fighting the best in the HW division.

[Lackeos]

Possession and usage are two different things. The amount he was found with was so small would have been legal in many other states.

Yeah, that's what happens when you smoke all but a little bit. There's a little bit left. It's not like he approached a drug dealer and said "Hey, let me buy 70 cents of weed. I don't plan on smoking it, but I might use it to roll the world's smallest roach and then just admire it."

[boxing_rocks]

Thinking that Wilder or Joshua don't use PEDs is extremely naive.

[Badhusker]

Thinking that Wilder or Joshua don't use PEDs is extremely naive.

Not nearly as naive as claiming Povetkin never tested positive, and Wilder and\or Al Haymon is behind it to avoid fighting him.

[Kalan]

If Povetkin is so innocent, why did he agree to pay a $250,000 fine for testing positive for PEDS? Sounds like an admission of guilt to me

X2X......forgive me if I missed your response. Why would Povetkin pay a Quarter of a Million dollar fine if he is innocent?

“We have managed to prove that Ostarine entered Povetkin’s body with natural supplements,” Alexei Karpenko, a Povetkin representative said today. “The fine will be paid since there was a fact of negligence regarding the sports nourishment, which led to the cancellation of a scheduled bout (Vs. Stiverne).”

"Fact of negligence" . In reality it was shakedown money demanded by the western racketeers who run the boxing business.

Povetkin never took a PED in his life.... They should set an allowable concentration for Ostarine at an amount that couldn’t boost a combatant’s athleticism in any way in a million years, since Ostarine and other products contaminate so many over-the-counter supplements... I am POSITIVE that had Wilder or Stiverne tested to 10th of a nanogram of Ostarine you would never have heard about it... They would have set an allowable concentration at 100 nanograms or whatever.

It’s only an Eastern European or other overseas boxer who they would ever flag and try to destroy his career over a miniscule trace amount of anything that couldn't boost the performance of a flea...

[Badhusker]

X2X......forgive me if I missed your response. Why would Povetkin pay a Quarter of a Million dollar fine if he is innocent?

“We have managed to prove that Ostarine entered Povetkin’s body with natural supplements,” Alexei Karpenko, a Povetkin representative said today. “The fine will be paid since there was a fact of negligence regarding the sports nourishment, which led to the cancellation of a scheduled bout (Vs. Stiverne).”

"Fact of negligence" . In reality it was shakedown money demanded by the western racketeers who run the boxing business.

Povetkin never took a PED in his life.... They should set an allowable concentration for Ostarine at an amount that couldn’t boost a combatant’s athleticism in any way in a million years, since Ostarine and other products contaminate so many over-the-counter supplements... I am POSITIVE that had Wilder or Stiverne tested to 10th of a nanogram of Ostarine you would never have heard about it... They would have set an allowable concentration at 100 nanograms or whatever.

It’s only an Eastern European or other overseas boxer who they would ever flag and try to destroy his career over a miniscule trace amount of anything that couldn't boost the performance of a flea...

Just because you keep saying it over and over, doesn't clear Povetkin of pissing dirty. You apparently aren't bright enough to recognize how hypocritical you are. You might as well accept it, because he has, and paid his quarter of a million dollar fine. No one does that if they are innocent. You should read up a little on the drug Ostarine, which you claim does nothing compared to other PEDS. With a half life of 24 hrs, if it is in your system in any amount, it has been there recently in greater amounts. Figure it out Bozo.

https://www.evolutionary.org/ostarine-m ... -steroids/

[Tony1244]

Thinking that Wilder or Joshua don't use PEDs is extremely naive.

Why?

Some people had those physiques 50 or so years ago when no one knew what a PED was. It's like saying all women with giant cha chas have boob implants.

[Tony1244]

Possession and usage are two different things. The amount he was found with was so small would have been legal in many other states.

Yeah, that's what happens when you smoke all but a little bit. There's a little bit left. It's not like he approached a drug dealer and said "Hey, let me buy 70 cents of weed. I don't plan on smoking it, but I might use it to roll the world's smallest roach and then just admire it."

Richard Pryor did a very funny shtick on when Leon Spinks got busted with $1.50 worth of cocaine.

It doesn't prove that Wilder smokes weed. Anyone who is relatively young and ever owned a car has found beer cans, cigarette butts, and likely weed roaches in their car that they didn't consume.

[Badhusker]

Possession and usage are two different things. The amount he was found with was so small would have been legal in many other states.

Yeah, that's what happens when you smoke all but a little bit. There's a little bit left. It's not like he approached a drug dealer and said "Hey, let me buy 70 cents of weed. I don't plan on smoking it, but I might use it to roll the world's smallest roach and then just admire it."

Richard Pryor did a very funny shtick on when Leon Spinks got busted with $1.50 worth of cocaine.

It doesn't prove that Wilder smokes weed. Anyone who is relatively young and ever owned a car has found beer cans, cigarette butts, and likely weed roaches in their car that they didn't consume.

Anthony Joshua plead guilty in 2010 for possession with intent to deliver and almost went to jail for it. It wasn't his first brush with the law though, as he was wearing an electronic ankle bracelet when he lost to Whyte a year earlier. (Not sure what for) Good for him he turned his life around, because he was looking at a maximum sentence of 14 yrs.

That said, it doesn't prove AJ smoked pot himself. Even so, I think it is far less harmful than alcohol, and certainly not a performance enhancing drug in my opinion at least.

[Tony1244]

Yeah, that's what happens when you smoke all but a little bit. There's a little bit left. It's not like he approached a drug dealer and said "Hey, let me buy 70 cents of weed. I don't plan on smoking it, but I might use it to roll the world's smallest roach and then just admire it."

Richard Pryor did a very funny shtick on when Leon Spinks got busted with $1.50 worth of cocaine.

It doesn't prove that Wilder smokes weed. Anyone who is relatively young and ever owned a car has found beer cans, cigarette butts, and likely weed roaches in their car that they didn't consume.

Anthony Joshua plead guilty in 2010 for possession with intent to deliver and almost went to jail for it. It wasn't his first brush with the law though, as he was wearing an electronic ankle bracelet when he lost to Whyte a year earlier. (Not sure what for) Good for him he turned his life around, because he was looking at a maximum sentence of 14 yrs.

That said, it doesn't prove AJ smoked pot himself. Even so, I think it is far less harmful than alcohol, and certainly not a performance enhancing drug in my opinion at least.

I think pot should be legal and jail is not the way to deal with drugs which are a health problem. Having said that, if you gave me 3 athletes, with all else being equal, I'd bet on the guy who doesn't smoke weed as the most likley to succeed and the guy who smokes the most weed as least likely to succeed.

In boxing, precision is a must and pot and alcohol aint gonna help you.

I could see Joshua smoking a bone after a fight. But he seems too disciplined now for regular usage.

[boxing_rocks]

Thinking that Wilder or Joshua don't use PEDs is extremely naive.

Why?

Some people had those physiques 50 or so years ago when no one knew what a PED was. It's like saying all women with giant cha chas have great implants.

And now even some of school children use them, but top level athletes like Joshua and Wilder don't

[Tony1244]

Thinking that Wilder or Joshua don't use PEDs is extremely naive.

Why?

Some people had those physiques 50 or so years ago when no one knew what a PED was. It's like saying all women with giant cha chas have great implants.

And now even some of school children use them, but top level athletes like Joshua and Wilder don't

If you want to go thru life guessing be my guest.

[gregor]

He is 38. At that age, it would be naive to expect any fighter to be "the same" he used to be 5-10 years earlier. Especially with boxing style based mostly on speed and workrate...