Povetkin not the same fighter since PED suspension..

[asdfjkl]

If you actually read the result you can read that they made a translation mistake on purpose, Povetkin said his doctor gave him some Meldonium and the translater said his trainer gave him. Then Wilder and his buddy's said, who is the trainer that gave you the Meldonium? While they knew he didn't exists, so Povetkin must be a lier, that was already enough to let the American judges make another mistake, probanly on purpose, if you ask me. They simply refused to listen to the truth from that point and gave the person a free pass to multiple milions of dollars he never deserved. The Americans are clearly a bunch of scammers and the American fanboys simply gladly suck it till the day of today.

*oh sorry, the other way around

[marvelous marv]

It says he was prescibed it by a doctor in the transcript so none of that has any validity. Stop fabricating stories.

[candyslim]

That's the truth x2x and I must say your "Golly ..." comment gave me my biggest chuckle of the weekend so far.

[asdfjkl]

It says he was prescibed it by a doctor in the transcript so none of that has any validity. Stop fabricating stories.

This is copy pasted from the lawsuit:


The testimony was:
Q. This is a document where you signed a document saying that there were certain mistakes in the deposition transcript, correct?[objection overruled]
A. I did not really understand the question.
Q. Well, you signed this document, correct?
A. Yes, my signature is there. I saw it.
Q. And you signed it on February 5th, the night before this trial started, correct?
A. Yes, it turns out like that.
Q. Do you remember signing this document?
A. I don't really remember for sure. I signed a lot of papers.
Q. Do you remember that you told someone that when you said all the vitamins were given to me in a transparent box by the doctor, that there had been a mistake in translation, and what you had meant to say was everything was given to you in a transparent box

by your trainer? Do you remember saying that the word “doctor” had been mistranslated and you had actually said “trainer”?
A. So, you know, the doctor just recommends. When somebody recommends something, a medication, it's not like it's being given to me by my relative, my grandmother or my mother. The doctor is the onewho recommends, and he hands them over and then they are given to me, and the one who gives them to me is my physical fitness trainer.
Q. But that's not what you said under oath during your deposition. You said your doctor gave it to you?
A. Yes.
Q. And then you claimed that you hadn't said the word “doctor” in Russian, you had said the word “trainer” in Russian, and that there had been a mistake in the translation, right?
A. This, I can’t remember.[sidebar]
Q. Mr. Povetkin— THE COURT: Go ahead, counsel.
Q. —recently you reviewed your deposition with someone who translated it for you, correct?
A. I don't understand “reviewed.”
Q. Well, did somebody go—have you read your—translate your deposition for you to see if there were any errors in it?
A. It was translated.
Q. And you said that there were some errors in it, correct?
A. Probably. I don't remember exactly.
Q. But one of the errors that you said was that you had said the word “trainer”in Russian when, in fact, the transcript said that youhad said “doctor;”isn't that so?
A. I don't really remember that.
Q. Well, let's just try one more time. Look at the bottom of the first page— MS. KALIVAS: Objection.
Q. —of the sheet?
THE COURT: Sustained to that.
MR. BURSTEIN: Okay. I'll move on.

Hon. Andrew L. Carter, Jr.February 12, 2017Page 5Tr. 152-53 (emphasis added). Thus, counsel’s statement accusing Mr. Povetkin of “changing his story” in response to deposition testimony of Dr. Krasavin was not only unsupported by the evidence, but was actually false, as plaintiffs’ counsel had acknowledged on the record.
B.Counsel Improperly Stated His Personal Opinion of Mr. Povetkin’s Honestyand Disregarded the Court’s Rulings By Linking Honesty and Motive
After his improper account of Mr. Povetkin’s supposed attempt to alter his deposition testimony, counsel compounded the prejudice by improperly expressing his opinion of Mr.Povetkin’s truthfulness and ascribing motive in violation of the Court’s earlier ruling barring that issue from this trial: I don’t blame him. This is an important case to him. I blame him for not, respectfully, not being honest, but Idon’t do it, there’s nothing else, those are the facts of life. (Tr. 777)Counsel’s personal opinion that Mr. Povetkin was “not being honest” was highly improper. A lawyer may not express his or her personal opinion as to the truth or falsity of any testimony or evidence.
See Bellows v. Dainack
, 555 F.2d 1105, 1108 (2d Cir. 1977) (Where Plaintiff’s counsel expressed personal opinions at summation about the credibility of defendants, the court found “the summation . . . sought to arouse undue passion and prejudice on the part of the jury and clearly exceeded the bounds of propriety”);
Smith v. Piedmont Airlines, Inc
., 728 F. Supp. 914, 919 (S.D.N.Y. 1989) (finding it improper “that counsel for plaintiff impermissibly vouched for the credibility of plaintiff’s physician when he expressed to the jury his personal opinion about her character”); N.Y. Rule of Professional Conduct 3.4(e) (A lawyer shall not “state a personal opinion as to the . . . the credibility of a witness”). Moreover, counsel’s argument that Mr. Povetkin was not being honestbecause “this is an important case to him” was in direct violation of the Court’s earlier rulings on this topic that “motive to falsify” would not be allowed: MR. BURSTEIN: * * * His motive to falsify is so overwhelming and to come up with a story, I should be allowed to impeach him on the theory that he knows the consequences of what will happen if heloses here.


THE COURT: I'm inclined to say no to that. It seems that it might be appropriate for you to—again, I don't wantto get into all of this in terms of his credibility and bias and motive to testify. I'm inclined to say no to that. It seems that it might be appropriate for you to—again, I don't wantto get into all of this in terms of his credibility and biasand motive to testify.* * *MR. BURSTEIN: It's his motive to testify falsely. Right now, I mean, it's true that we're in a vacuum, but ifawitness has a desire to— THE COURT: But I believe that you were the person whowas objecting to any notion that the defendants wanted to putout anything like he wouldn't risk his career by micro-dosingat this small level because that small level thatwould beshowing up there wouldn't give him any benefit, and he wouldn'trisk his career by micro-dosing at this level. Wouldn't thatbe fair comment to start re-going down this road? And that'ssomething that you very strenuously didn't want to get into.MR. BURSTEIN: You know what, I have to give it toyou, Judge. I'll give you that one. So I have to back off. * * * (Tr. 515, 517.)
C.CounselImproperly Referred to The Trainer as a Missing WitnessesAfter Blocking His Testimony
Counselaccused Defendants of failingto present Mr. Povetkin’s traineras a witness, when in fact Defendants attempted to present his testimony, and Plaintiffs blocked it. During summation, counsel began to assert his “missing witness” theory: “The people who supposedly had provided the vitamins or whatever it was—”. Tr. 777. Following objection, counsel admitted at sidebar that he was about to ask the jury “Where’s the trainer and where’s the manager.” Tr. 778. The Court forbade it. Tr. 778-82. Then, in defiance of theCourt’s order, counsel put a board only a few feet from the jury with the question typed out in capital letters: “WHERE IS MR. POVETKIN’S TRAINER?”
See
Tr. 788 (“But here’s other questions you should ask yourselves”). (A photograph of the board is included as an Addendum at the end of this letter.)

[Badhusker]

Wow. asdfjkl, Kalan, Candyslim, and x2x,

You guys need to just let it go, accept reality, and move on. I have never seen a group so much in denial. Povetkin failing the PED test is reality, he has paid his fine, and obviously has accepted his punishment. I hope he has a good career for what is remaining of it.

Happy New Year.

[marvelous marv]

So at no point is Povetkin ever cross examined by Wilder or his friend?

The judge then goes on to rule in favor of Povetkin and refers to his doctor in later proceedings and final summary.

[asdfjkl]

@Badhusker Scared?



I suggest people to start reading on page 3.

*edit:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FOlV1EYxmg

[marvelous marv]

Every trial has a summation of both parties arguements. Post both complaints.

In this complaint they argue that Povetkin actually had Meldonium present in every test, but it was below the level which could be detected by a test.

There is further testimony by doctors that this is not possible and ultimately the jury sided with the doctors who said this is not possible.

[asdfjkl]

Every trial has a summation of both parties arguements. Post both complaints.

In this complaint they argue that Povetkin actually had Meldonium present in every test, but it was below the level which could be detected by a test.

There is further testimony by doctors that this is not possible and ultimately the jury sided with the doctors who said this is not possible.

Could you show me any evidence of that? As far as I know it was Wilder and his team or/and some fanboys only.

[marvelous marv]

We are talking about legal proceedings not fan boys.

expert witness, Dr. Daniel Eichner, the former science director for the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency and current president of the Sports Medicine Research and Testing Laboratory in Salt Lake City, one of two accredited WADA labs in the United States, testified that it would be impossible to test negative for meldonium three times and then test positive days later without having ingested it in the interim.

Dr. Eichner also testified that .007 micrograms per milileter would be a normal level of meldonium to find if a week had passed between ingestion and testing.

[Tony1244]

@Badhusker Scared?



I suggest people to start reading on page 3.

*edit:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FOlV1EYxmg

Rare version of Hurricane. Not sure if it's better but it is different.

[Ilya Muromets]

"Rare version of Hurricane. Not sure if it's better but it is different."

Why are you inserting that BULLSHIT on to this thread? Carter was a vicious multiple murderer that the leftist Hollywood crowd tries to glorify with their lies. Look up the truth about Carter - but don't try to find anything on google anymore because it is now censored and politically corrected.

http://graphicwitness.com/carter/

You can also see for yourself his fight with Joey Giardello online, the fight that Norman Jewison "re-enacted" in his 1999 Hollywood propaganda movie glorifying Carter as having been easily won by Carter but awarded to JG only because the judges were "racist".

[candyslim]

Wow. asdfjkl, Kalan, Candyslim, and x2x,

You guys need to just let it go, accept reality, and move on. I have never seen a group so much in denial. Povetkin failing the PED test is reality, he has paid his fine, and obviously has accepted his punishment. I hope he has a good career for what is remaining of it.

Happy New Year.

Curious to know what I said that prompted that. FWIW I'm bored shitless by the whole never ending saga now. Nobody is saying anything we haven't heard twenty times before, and nobody is likely to be persuaded to change their mind. It's an exercise in futility.

Happy new year to you too BH and to every poster on BoxRec.

[Kalan]

Wow. asdfjkl, Kalan, Candyslim, and x2x,

You guys need to just let it go, accept reality, and move on. I have never seen a group so much in denial. Povetkin failing the PED test is reality, he has paid his fine, and obviously has accepted his punishment. I hope he has a good career for what is remaining of it.

Happy New Year.

You must have an IQ of 3 if you can't understand Povetkin DID NOT fail a test his PED tests.... He was only accused of failing the tests through innuendo -- the innuendo being the WBC's action to "postpone" the Wilder-Povetkin fight to "investigate" whether he took Meldonium after a certain date.... After their long drawn out "investigation" which lasted for months when they could have gotten all the answers they needed in 2 days -- ALL of the evidence supported the conclusion that he DID NOT take Meldonium at any time after it was banned on January 1st, 2016... Learn how to read.

[Ilya Muromets]

Wow. asdfjkl, Kalan, Candyslim, and x2x,

You guys need to just let it go, accept reality, and move on. I have never seen a group so much in denial. Povetkin failing the PED test is reality, he has paid his fine, and obviously has accepted his punishment. I hope he has a good career for what is remaining of it.

Happy New Year.

Curious to know what I said that prompted that. FWIW I'm bored shitless by the whole never ending saga now. Nobody is saying anything we haven't heard twenty times before, and nobody is likely to be persuaded to change their mind. It's an exercise in futility.

Happy new year to you too BH and to every poster on BoxRec.

It's neverending because people are neverendingly refuting the neverending nonsensical attacks upon Povetkin, such as the smirking innuendo in the OP in this neverending thread.

[Kalan]

EXACTLY!!! .... Like all the Floyd freaks who kept saying Manny Pacquiao's head grew twice in size...

All the while his hat size never changed... One day he wet down his hair and combed it back to show how small his head actually was.... He really looked different.

[candyslim]

I know why it's never ending but when the shutters go up on the human mind, then others may as well conserve their energy. Not straight away of course, I mean maybe give it a few attempts but it is surely now obvious to both sides, we are not making progress.

[Ilya Muromets]

EXACTLY!!! .... Like all the Floyd freaks who kept saying Manny Pacquiao's head grew twice in size...

...

"Floyd Mayweather Jr. scared to fight Manny Pacquiao’s giant head

Floyd believes Manny’s head has “probably grown” from a size 7-1/4 to an 8 from steroid abuse"

https://calvinayre.com/2012/05/03/sport ... huge-head/

[asdfjkl]

Since I'm not a real fan of him, I didn't realise he simply has a different trainer compared to back then.
http://www.BS.com/povetkin-for ... ws--123772

That explains pretty much all.

[Ilya Muromets]

Since I'm not a real fan of him, I didn't realise he simply has a different trainer compared to back then.
http://www.BS.com/povetkin-for ... ws--123772

That explains pretty much all.

Povetkin easily won every round. I believe the last time he even lost a round was vs. Wlad in 2013.

[asdfjkl]

Since I'm not a real fan of him, I didn't realise he simply has a different trainer compared to back then.
http://www.BS.com/povetkin-for ... ws--123772

That explains pretty much all.

Povetkin easily won every round. I believe the last time he even lost a round was vs. Wlad in 2013.

I know and his previous trainer liked KO's, this one doesn't, so that pretty much explains all of it.

[Ilya Muromets]

Since I'm not a real fan of him, I didn't realise he simply has a different trainer compared to back then.
http://www.BS.com/povetkin-for ... ws--123772

That explains pretty much all.

Povetkin easily won every round. I believe the last time he even lost a round was vs. Wlad in 2013.

I know and his previous trainer liked KO's, this one doesn't, so that pretty much explains all of it.

Wlad was a spectacular knockout puncher in his early years but then he learned to pace himself.