BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:And for the record his win over Johnson was due to Johnson damaging his back, his disc I think, which hardly counts as a great win.
ur wrong,
ive read other fight reportss. walcott knocked johnson down in the 2nd and was dominating him and had johnson out on his feet in the 3rd before johnson collasped hurting his back.
i say thats a legite victory
yes many of those top avoided black contenders of the 1940s that walcott beat were very good fighters. i have done a lot of studying on them.
however walcott was not in his prime in 45-46. he was near it but not there yet. he hadnt spent enough time with felix bocchichio yet. in 45-46 he lost to joey maxim, elmer ray and fight 10 even rounds with jimmy bivins. walcott had just begun getting world class training in 1946 and had just started with felix boccicchio. walcott defintley was not in his prime in 1945.
in 1944, walcott lost to a 8-12 fighter! theres no way walcott was in his prime in 1945, he was still too rusty and had not started getting world class training yet.
theres no way a 45-46 walcott could beat ezzard charles like a 51 walcott could.
a 1947-52 walcott= world class training, great management with felix bocchichio, better nutrition
45-46 walcott = still rusty, not yet world class trained
controversial,
what based on FILM tells u walcott was past his prime vs marciano?
was he slower? did he look out of shape? was his reflexes slower? was he less aaggresive? did he have less stamina?
are u saying walcott was a better fighter when he lost to elmer ray and joey maxim than the night he lost to marciano?
You are too blinkered in your opinions to see the facts.
Here is Walcotts records from 1945-1953
***1953***
1953-05-15 Rocky Marciano Chicago, IL, USA L KO 1
***1952***
1952-09-23 Rocky Marciano Philadelphia, PA, USA L KO 13
1952-06-05 Ezzard Charles Philadelphia, PA, USA W UD 15
***1951***
1951-07-18 Ezzard Charles Pittsburgh, PA, USA W KO 7
1951-03-07 Ezzard Charles Detroit, MI, USA L UD 15
***1950***
1950-11-24 Rex Layne New York, NY, USA L UD 10
1950-05-28 Hein ten Hoff Mannheim, Germany W PTS 10
1950-03-13 Johnny Shkor Philadelphia, PA, USA W KO 1
1950-03-03 Omelio Agramonte New York, NY, USA W TKO 7
1950-02-08 Harold Johnson Philadelphia, PA, USA W KO 3
***1949***
1949-08-14 Olle Tandberg Stockholm, Sweden W TKO 5
1949-06-22 Ezzard Charles Chicago, IL, USA L UD 15
***1948***
Vacant National Boxing Association World Heavyweight Title
1948-06-25 Joe Louis Bronx, NY, USA L KO 11
***1947***
1947-12-05 Joe Louis New York, NY, USA L SD 15
1947-06-23 Joey Maxim Los Angeles, CA, USA W SD 10
1947-03-01 Elmer Ray Miami, FL, USA W MD 10
1947-01-06 Joey Maxim Philadelphia, PA, USA W MD 10
***1946***
1946-11-15 Elmer Ray New York, NY, USA L SD 10
1946-08-28 Joey Maxim Camden, NJ, USA L PTS 10
1946-08-16 Tommy Gomez New York, NY, USA W TKO 3
1946-05-24 Lee Oma New York, NY, USA W UD 10
1946-03-20 Al Blake Camden, NJ, USA W TKO 4
1946-02-25 Jimmy Bivins Cleveland, OH, USA W SD 10
1946-01-30 Johnny Allen Camden, NJ, USA W KO 3
***1945***
1945-12-10 Curtis Sheppard Baltimore, MD, USA W KO 10
1945-11-12 Lee Q Murray Baltimore, MD, USA W DQ 9
1945-10-23 Steve Dudas Paterson, NJ, USA W TKO 5
1945-09-20 Johnny Denson Camden, NJ, USA W KO 2
1945-08-02 Joe Baksi Camden, NJ, USA W PTS 10
1945-03-15 Johnny Allen Camden, NJ, USA W PTS 8
1945-02-22 Austin Johnson Camden, NJ, USA W PTS 6
1945-01-25 Johnny Allen Camden, NJ, USA L PTS 8
1945-01-11 Jackie Saunders Camden, NJ, USA W TKO 2
He started training seriously sometime in 1945.
In 1945 he had 9 fights winning 8 and avenging the lone defeat to Allen. He beat Baksi, Murray and Shepherd.
In 1946 he had 7 fights, the 2 defeats were very close and disputed by many. These were to Maxim and Elmer Ray who was on a 48 fight (43ko) winning streak with a 17 fight KO run. His wins were over Bivins, Oma, Gomez and another win over Allen who beat him in 1945, this time on a stoppage.
In 1947 he had 4 fights, winning 3. He beat Maxim twice and Elmer Ray, avenging the defeats in the previous year. The only loss was a disputed decision to Louis.
In 1948 he had 1 fight, a stoppage loss to the past it Louis (Louis promptly retired)
In 1949 he had 2 fights, a wide decision loss to Charles and a win over Tandberg.
In 1950 he had 5 fights, 4 wins then a points defeat to Layne.
In 1951 he had 2 fights, a wide decision loss to Charles then he beat Charles after an exhaustive run a fights for the champ, 6 in 8 months (80 rounds of fighting)
in 1952 he had 2 fights, a close win over Charles then his loss to Marciano.
In 1953 he had 1 fight, a loss to Marciano then he retired.
Its quite obvious he best years were 1945-1947 where he had 20 fights, losing 4, 3 which were avenged and the other a disputed loss to Louis.
From 1948-1951 he had 10 fights, losing 4, 3 by unanimous decision a 1 by KO.
