Boxrec forum heavy weight top 15 2017

[Mexi-Box]

Tough division to rank at the moment outside of Povetkin and Joshua. I'll try.

1. Joshua
2. Povetkin
3. Wilder
4. Ortiz
5. Pulev
6. Parker
7. Miller
8. Whyte
9. Breazeale
10. Mansour
11. Takam
12. Jennings
13. Duhaupus
14. Browne
15. Kabayel

[Cap]

1. Anthony Joshua
2. Al Povetkin
3. Denteen Wilder
4. Joe Parker
5. Luis Ortiz
6. Simon Kean
7. Dillian Whyte
8, Eric Idle
9. Anton Chekov
10. Pablo Picasso
11. Lester Pearson
12. Boris Badinoff
13. Ermino Spalla
14. Francisco Franco
15. Hans Christian Anderson

[Ilya Muromets]

1. Anthony Joshua
2. Al Povetkin
3. Denteen Wilder
4. Joe Parker
5. Luis Ortiz
6. Simon Kean
7. Dillian Whyte
8, Eric Idle
9. Anton Chekov
10. Pablo Picasso
11. Lester Pearson
12. Boris Badinoff
13. Ermino Spalla
14. Francisco Franco
15. Hans Christian Anderson

Ha ha! This thread started off silly and it's gone downhill from there! Does anyone have Popeye and Bluto on their list?

[dagilechia]

Does anyone who voted for Kownacki to be in top 15 want to make case for him?

Do you see him as being some awesome talent?

Is he there for beating Szpilka? The same mister pin who got easily beaten by Jennings and went life and death against Mollo... Twice?

Other names in hes resume don't ring any bells to me. I have only seen the Szpilka match where he looked good against very average opponent.

I am bit surprised to see him on so many of the lists

Kownacki to me seems like better version of Ruiz Jr, less skilled technically, but throws a lot of punches, and punches hard
and let's say Whyte have done something impressive? he arugably lost to Chisora, his win vs Helenius is not really impressive at all, i think Kownacki could beat Chisora and Helenius, and his fight vs Whyte is almost 50/50
i guess that for most, Szpilka was a favourite vs Chisora or Helenius before losing to Kownacki
now Szpilka is one of the most destroyed boxer at age of 28, he is about to fight a movie actor in mma, he also made wwe-alike show recently when he entered the cage and tried to punch this actor, so all that makes Kownacki's win less impressive as Szpilka seems to be like top 100 now, but still i can see Kownacki beating the likes of Whyte, Duhaupas, Hammer etc
let's se how he develops, he is a 100% pro boxer since his Szpilka fight, before he was also working on building constructions or something like that

[Badhusker]

Mine is based on what I think they deserve at this point, not necessarily who I think would win between them. Some are based on potential. Some left off because of being over-rated in my opinion. Bottom half much tougher to pick than top half.

1. Anthony Joshua
2. Luis Ortiz
3. Deontay Wilder
4. Joe Parker
5. Jarrell Miller
6. Alexander Povetkin
7. Carlos Takam
8. Andy Ruiz
9. Amir Mansour
10. Hughie Fury
11. Adam Kownacki
12. Lucas Browne
13. Agit Kabayel
14. Trevor Bryan
15. Tom Schwarz

you menton you rate on who deserves what but how do Kabayel bryan schwarz mansoure Kownacki browne etc deserve ratngs if pulev doesnt. you rate the following guys instead of pulev

bryan: never beaten anyone of note and doesnt impress at all. best win a decision over derrick rossy, who pulev stopped in 5 in 2011.

kaybayel: only win of note over chisroa, who pulev beat easier. pulevs got a much stronger record overall


schwarz: done nothing

mansour: at 9!? he barely could beat travis kauffman and was getting beaten up last fight by a fat unranked guy with 11 fights. mansours very lucky that fight ended when it did.

knownacki: a fatty whose only notable win over a guy who couldnt win a round vs jennings and was ktfo of the year by wilder

browne: struggled with juluis long and down 8-1 when he came back to beat washed up chagaev

Pulev is one that I think is either over-rated, or past it. What has he done lately, other than a SD over the badly faded Chisora, or beat a few past it nearly 40 or over 40 guys? The only real challenge he has had recently, he ran away from. (AJ)

The others, well, an argument can be made to take them off....or not. Some are unbeaten. It was hard to come up with 15. Dillan Whyte is another I put in the category of Chisora, Pulev, and Breazeale. Not worthy of for sure being in top 10.

[Heretic]

Still couple of days to vote.

Time to pick between dirt sandwich and giant douche

[tiny_acres]

Still couple of days to vote.

Time to pick between dirt sandwich and giant douche

You nailed this. Only 6 fighters in my eyes are deserving of a top 10 rating.
It's like trying do decide you doesn't suck the worse to come up with 9 more

[Ilya Muromets]

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[candyslim]

1. Anthony Joshua
2. Deontay Wilder
3. Luis Ortiz
4 .Alexandr Povetkin
5. Joseph Parker
6. Kubrat Pulev
7. Dillian Whyte
8. Carlos Takam
9. Dominic Breazeale
10. Jarrell Miller
11. Andy Ruiz Jnr.
12. Hughie Fury
13. Agit Kabayel
14. Lucas Browne
15. Christian Hammer
16. Johann Duhaupas
17. Adam Kownacki
18. Dereck Chisora
19. Manuel Charr
20. Gerald Washington

[KiwiRider]

Mine is based on what I think they deserve at this point, not necessarily who I think would win between them. Some are based on potential. Some left off because of being over-rated in my opinion. Bottom half much tougher to pick than top half.

1. Anthony Joshua
2. Luis Ortiz
3. Deontay Wilder
4. Joe Parker
5. Jarrell Miller
6. Alexander Povetkin
7. Carlos Takam
8. Andy Ruiz
9. Amir Mansour
10. Hughie Fury
11. Adam Kownacki
12. Lucas Browne
13. Agit Kabayel
14. Trevor Bryan
15. Tom Schwarz

you menton you rate on who deserves what but how do Kabayel bryan schwarz mansoure Kownacki browne etc deserve ratngs if pulev doesnt. you rate the following guys instead of pulev

bryan: never beaten anyone of note and doesnt impress at all. best win a decision over derrick rossy, who pulev stopped in 5 in 2011.

kaybayel: only win of note over chisroa, who pulev beat easier. pulevs got a much stronger record overall


schwarz: done nothing

mansour: at 9!? he barely could beat travis kauffman and was getting beaten up last fight by a fat unranked guy with 11 fights. mansours very lucky that fight ended when it did.

knownacki: a fatty whose only notable win over a guy who couldnt win a round vs jennings and was ktfo of the year by wilder

browne: struggled with juluis long and down 8-1 when he came back to beat washed up chagaev

Pulev is one that I think is either over-rated, or past it. What has he done lately, other than a SD over the badly faded Chisora, or beat a few past it nearly 40 or over 40 guys? The only real challenge he has had recently, he ran away from. (AJ)

The others, well, an argument can be made to take them off....or not. Some are unbeaten. It was hard to come up with 15. Dillan Whyte is another I put in the category of Chisora, Pulev, and Breazeale. Not worthy of for sure being in top 10.

I have to disagree about Breazeale there, Husky mate.
One loss to AJ, big whups
I'd expect him to beat everyone on your list from #8-#15.

[candyslim]

I'd make a definite exception for Hughie Fury, Kiwi, even I can't justify a top ten ranking. Parker couldn't pin down Fury, and as much as I have huge respect for Breazeale, he'd find herding cats far easier than nailing Hughie. Dom has a lot going for him but speed and technique aren't among his assets.

If Hughie had been more aggressive and sought to punish Parker the way his mate Billy Joe did LeMieux, he would have taken that WBO crown, because even if Parker found him easier to hit as a result, I can't see Joe having the power to stop Hughie who appears to have a good chin.

[candyslim]

Mine is based on what I think they deserve at this point, not necessarily who I think would win between them. Some are based on potential. Some left off because of being over-rated in my opinion. Bottom half much tougher to pick than top half.

1. Anthony Joshua
2. Luis Ortiz
3. Deontay Wilder
4. Joe Parker
5. Jarrell Miller
6. Alexander Povetkin
7. Carlos Takam
8. Andy Ruiz
9. Amir Mansour
10. Hughie Fury
11. Adam Kownacki
12. Lucas Browne
13. Agit Kabayel
14. Trevor Bryan
15. Tom Schwarz

you menton you rate on who deserves what but how do Kabayel bryan schwarz mansoure Kownacki browne etc deserve ratngs if pulev doesnt. you rate the following guys instead of pulev

bryan: never beaten anyone of note and doesnt impress at all. best win a decision over derrick rossy, who pulev stopped in 5 in 2011.

kaybayel: only win of note over chisroa, who pulev beat easier. pulevs got a much stronger record overall


schwarz: done nothing

mansour: at 9!? he barely could beat travis kauffman and was getting beaten up last fight by a fat unranked guy with 11 fights. mansours very lucky that fight ended when it did.

knownacki: a fatty whose only notable win over a guy who couldnt win a round vs jennings and was ktfo of the year by wilder

browne: struggled with juluis long and down 8-1 when he came back to beat washed up chagaev

Pulev is one that I think is either over-rated, or past it. What has he done lately, other than a SD over the badly faded Chisora, or beat a few past it nearly 40 or over 40 guys? The only real challenge he has had recently, he ran away from. (AJ)

The others, well, an argument can be made to take them off....or not. Some are unbeaten. It was hard to come up with 15. Dillan Whyte is another I put in the category of Chisora, Pulev, and Breazeale. Not worthy of for sure being in top 10.

I pretty much agree with that Jamamb although I do take badhusker's point about the lack of ambition demonstrated by Pulev's selection of opponents ...

Trevor Bryan : Agreed. The guy did sweet f...-all in 2017 and should be nowhere near the top 15 or 20.

Agit Kabayel : Beat Herve Hubeaux to win the European title but I agree he doesn't deserve to be ranked above Pulev ... yet.

Tom Schwarz : Shows promise but I agree has done nothing to warrant a world ranking.

Amir Mansour : You do exaggerate - he's not even seventy yet
I've a lot of admiration for this guy, he's a warrior to be sure. He may have made hard work of Kaufman but he gave Breazeale hell, before having to retire on an injury. Also I think you're way too dismissive of the "fat unranked guy" who is Sergei Kuzmin, and although he hasn't earned a ranking, is potentially a contender. Mansour was going to be his breakthrough fight until the unfortunate injury.

Adam Kownacki : Ok he doesn't have the chiselled physique (at least he should be spared accusations of being on PEDs), and has achieved little thus far apart from the win over Szpilka who may have struggled to win rounds against Jennings but managed to win almost all of them against Wilder before the lights went out. He has a lot more to offer but doesn't deserve to be ranked above Pulev on achievements to-date.

Lucas Browne : I can't argue with what you said, but I respect Lucas Browne a lot more than you do. He is undefeated, he came from behind to knock out Chagaev, in a title fight, and represents a problem to anyone who is prepared to stand and trade with him. I agree he doesn't deserve to be ranked above Pulev though.

All in all yours is a fair assessment I'd say.

[BIGDOUG58]

1. Anthony Joshua. (Will be No.1 for a while)
2. Joe Parker. ( his best is yet to come)
3. Luis Ortiz. ( 2018 is his last chance)
4. Alexander Povetkin ( most dangerous on the list)
5. Deontay Wilder.( will always have to prove himself)
6. Dominic Breazeale. ( will get another shot)
7. Jarrell Miller. ( Something's Missing)
8. Lucas Browne. ( Either the most overrated or the most Underrated guy on the list)
9. Tony Bellew. ( Only and always a Cruiserweight)
10. Dillian Whyte. (Will struggle against bigger opponents)
11. Adam Kownacki.( has a unique style)
12. Johann Duhauppas. ( No Threat)
13. Oscar Rivas. ( Unknown danger)
14. Carlos Takem. ( Will figure again in a big bout)
15. Zhang from China. ( we will have to take notice soon)
Top Prospects.....
Daniel Dubois....UK
Junior Fa.....NZ

[Badhusker]

As far as Mansour, I went with him where many went with Breazeale. I don't think either guy really deserves to be in the top 10. If you watched their fight, a 40 something much shorter Mansour won every round against Breazeale until it had to be stopped because AM almost bit through his tongue.

Its hard to make a solid top 10, and much harder to come up with 15. I think most of us agree on that, but will never agree on the order of rank.

[Mexi-Box]

you menton you rate on who deserves what but how do Kabayel bryan schwarz mansoure Kownacki browne etc deserve ratngs if pulev doesnt. you rate the following guys instead of pulev

bryan: never beaten anyone of note and doesnt impress at all. best win a decision over derrick rossy, who pulev stopped in 5 in 2011.

kaybayel: only win of note over chisroa, who pulev beat easier. pulevs got a much stronger record overall


schwarz: done nothing

mansour: at 9!? he barely could beat travis kauffman and was getting beaten up last fight by a fat unranked guy with 11 fights. mansours very lucky that fight ended when it did.

knownacki: a fatty whose only notable win over a guy who couldnt win a round vs jennings and was ktfo of the year by wilder

browne: struggled with juluis long and down 8-1 when he came back to beat washed up chagaev

Pulev is one that I think is either over-rated, or past it. What has he done lately, other than a SD over the badly faded Chisora, or beat a few past it nearly 40 or over 40 guys? The only real challenge he has had recently, he ran away from. (AJ)

The others, well, an argument can be made to take them off....or not. Some are unbeaten. It was hard to come up with 15. Dillan Whyte is another I put in the category of Chisora, Pulev, and Breazeale. Not worthy of for sure being in top 10.

I have to disagree about Breazeale there, Husky mate.
One loss to AJ, big whups
I'd expect him to beat everyone on your list from #8-#15.

Nah, Breazeale wasn't competitive at all against AJ. That's pretty damming. Also, he arguably lost to Kassi and was getting whooped by Mansour until the broken jaw/tongue incident (forgot what the stoppage was due to).

[Mexi-Box]

Mine is based on what I think they deserve at this point, not necessarily who I think would win between them. Some are based on potential. Some left off because of being over-rated in my opinion. Bottom half much tougher to pick than top half.

1. Anthony Joshua
2. Luis Ortiz
3. Deontay Wilder
4. Joe Parker
5. Jarrell Miller
6. Alexander Povetkin
7. Carlos Takam
8. Andy Ruiz
9. Amir Mansour
10. Hughie Fury
11. Adam Kownacki
12. Lucas Browne
13. Agit Kabayel
14. Trevor Bryan
15. Tom Schwarz

you menton you rate on who deserves what but how do Kabayel bryan schwarz mansoure Kownacki browne etc deserve ratngs if pulev doesnt. you rate the following guys instead of pulev

bryan: never beaten anyone of note and doesnt impress at all. best win a decision over derrick rossy, who pulev stopped in 5 in 2011.

kaybayel: only win of note over chisroa, who pulev beat easier. pulevs got a much stronger record overall


schwarz: done nothing

mansour: at 9!? he barely could beat travis kauffman and was getting beaten up last fight by a fat unranked guy with 11 fights. mansours very lucky that fight ended when it did.

knownacki: a fatty whose only notable win over a guy who couldnt win a round vs jennings and was ktfo of the year by wilder

browne: struggled with juluis long and down 8-1 when he came back to beat washed up chagaev

Pulev is one that I think is either over-rated, or past it. What has he done lately, other than a SD over the badly faded Chisora, or beat a few past it nearly 40 or over 40 guys? The only real challenge he has had recently, he ran away from. (AJ)

The others, well, an argument can be made to take them off....or not. Some are unbeaten. It was hard to come up with 15. Dillan Whyte is another I put in the category of Chisora, Pulev, and Breazeale. Not worthy of for sure being in top 10.

How is Pulev overrated? The SD was BS. Watch the fight. He won every round against Chisora. Only a handful of dudes have done that to Chisora. Pulev has one of the better resumes of the division.

[Lackeos]

1 Anthony Joshua
2 Alexander Povetkin
3 Deontay Wilder
4 Luis Ortiz
5 Kubrat Pulev
6 Joseph Parker
7 Jarrell Miller
8 Carlos Takam
9 Hughie Fury
10 Dereck Chisora
11 Dillian Whyte
12 Agit Kabayel
13 Christian Hammer
14 Mariusz Wach
15 Andy Ruiz Jr.

(Next 5)
16 Adam Kownacki
17 Johann Duhaupas
18 Dominick Breazeale
19 Charles Martin
20 Erkan Teper

[KiwiRider]

Pulev is one that I think is either over-rated, or past it. What has he done lately, other than a SD over the badly faded Chisora, or beat a few past it nearly 40 or over 40 guys? The only real challenge he has had recently, he ran away from. (AJ)

The others, well, an argument can be made to take them off....or not. Some are unbeaten. It was hard to come up with 15. Dillan Whyte is another I put in the category of Chisora, Pulev, and Breazeale. Not worthy of for sure being in top 10.

I have to disagree about Breazeale there, Husky mate.
One loss to AJ, big whups
I'd expect him to beat everyone on your list from #8-#15.

Nah, Breazeale wasn't competitive at all against AJ. That's pretty damming. Also, he arguably lost to Kassi and was getting whooped by Mansour until the broken jaw/tongue incident (forgot what the stoppage was due to).

Yes, bit his tongue. Brazeale has got better since then, my gripe with him is that he could be in better shape.

[candyslim]

1. Anthony Joshua. (Will be No.1 for a while)

cs: I'm inclined to agree.

2. Joe Parker. ( his best is yet to come)

cs: Provided he isn't too tough and brave for his own good against Joshua, then maybe.

3. Luis Ortiz. ( 2018 is his last chance)

cs I would think so.

4. Alexander Povetkin ( most dangerous on the list)

cs: Always Wilder (most dangerous) and Povetkin's power seems to be on the wane.

5. Deontay Wilder.( will always have to prove himself)

cs: Until he does. Then he won't

6. Dominic Breazeale. ( will get another shot)

cs: Yes. He'd be Wilder's toughest test, unless Ortiz does a Wlad and burns brightest just before the fire goes out.

7. Jarrell Miller. ( Something's Missing)

cs: Yeah he needs to bulk up a bit

8. Lucas Browne. ( Either the most overrated or the most Underrated guy on the list)

cs: Maybe both if that doesn't sound daft. No real problem to a mover, but a threat to anyone who wants to stand and trade.

9. Tony Bellew. ( Only and always a Cruiserweight)

cs: Yes. I give him credit for his honesty and being aware of his limitations.

10. Dillian Whyte. (Will struggle against bigger opponents)

cs: He gave AJ a decent argument. How big are we talking?

11. Adam Kownacki.( has a unique style)

cs: Really?. I see him as a high output fighter with good stamina and adequate but unspectacular power. Maybe you're seeing something I'm not.

12. Johann Duhauppas. ( No Threat)

cs: I agree but Wilder might not, as JD gave him a tough scrap and left him looking pretty banged up.

13. Oscar Rivas. ( Unknown danger)

cs: That's a double-edged comment given his unfortunate problems with his eyes

14. Carlos Takem. ( Will figure again in a big bout)

cs: Deserves another shot after his AJ performance. It's funny because I thought the Takam who went to war with Povtkin was no more following his rather tame effort against Parker. Still, what do I know?

15. Zhang from China. ( we will have to take notice soon)

cs: Which one? Zhang Jun Long and Zhang Zhilei (no relation) are both knocking on the door ... with a feather duster

Top Prospects.....
Daniel Dubois....UK
Junior Fa.....NZ

cs: Among others but mos' def.

cs: My comments above.

[Lennox]

Hughie Fury is inactive.

[tiny_acres]

Hughie Fury is inactive.

He just fought 3 months ago. How is he inactive???

[candyslim]

How do you work that out? Hughie fought Parker in September. Andy Ruiz didn't fight in 2017 but most of us have got him in our top 15. He's scheduled to return to the ring next month. Opponent to be confirmed .

[KiwiRider]

1. Anthony Joshua. (Will be No.1 for a while)
2. Joe Parker. ( his best is yet to come)
3. Luis Ortiz. ( 2018 is his last chance)
4. Alexander Povetkin ( most dangerous on the list)
5. Deontay Wilder.( will always have to prove himself)
6. Dominic Breazeale. ( will get another shot)
7. Jarrell Miller. ( Something's Missing)
8. Lucas Browne. ( Either the most overrated or the most Underrated guy on the list)
9. Tony Bellew. ( Only and always a Cruiserweight)
10. Dillian Whyte. (Will struggle against bigger opponents)
11. Adam Kownacki.( has a unique style)
12. Johann Duhauppas. ( No Threat)
13. Oscar Rivas. ( Unknown danger)
14. Carlos Takem. ( Will figure again in a big bout)
15. Zhang from China. ( we will have to take notice soon)
Top Prospects.....
Daniel Dubois....UK
Junior Fa.....NZ

Fa?
Gosh Doug, even my rampant patriotism dosent extend to that.
Good on you though, and I totally agree Dubois is a hot prospect.

[Lennox]

Hughie Fury is inactive.

He just fought 3 months ago. How is he inactive???

My mistake I meant to type Andy Ruiz.

[greg]

..active or inactive I can't see Hughie Fury in any top 15 ranking considering his level of opposition..