Joe Louis vs. Mike Tyson

[Kalan]

LOL at your stupidity.... You are such a filthy hate monger and lying retard you can piss off with your insanity.

Everyone knows Mike Tyson was an exceptional boxing talent but you... Heavyweights like Tyson didn't even exist in the 1930's and 40's -- because Louis was the 1st black man to get a World Heavyweight Title shot in 24 years... Then he went on the famed "Bum of the Month" tour because there were no good Heavyweight Challengers...

[MrGuy]

Anyone got any film of Joe Louis completely missing with a punch and falling over like tyson does at 1.18 of this clip?

Louis fell down 12 times -- assisted by punches to the head.... Louis went down more often and easier than Tyson.

Tyson had smoke coming out of his ears when he faced soft Alex Stewart... He wanted to obliterate him instantly and wasn't worried about the incoming or missing any punches... A 1-round job for Mike, cuz Alex Stewart wasn't real big, tall, or strong was he?? .... Kind of like the 6'2" X 212 Michael Spinks - who just happened to be the UNDEFEATED HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD, 31-0 -- who beat ATG Larry Holmes twice.... Iron Mike blitzed Michael Spinks even faster than he blew out tyro Stewart.... A year later Stewart beat the living shitt out of George Foreman---a great big, slow Heavyweight like Carnea and Simon -- only much tougher and a much better boxer and puncher than either stumbling oaf.

Question -- Did Joe Louis ever beat anyone as skilled as Michael Spinks or Larry Holmes??? ... 174-pound Billy Conn???

Hmmmm........ How'd that go for 12 rounds????

Want to see a clip of tyson grovelling around on the floor like a baby looking for its dummy do you? Or how about flat on his back eyes closed? Perhaps sitting against the ropes and getting counted TFO is more to your liking?

What I want from you, ya mug, is film of Joe Louis in his prime, throwing a punch so wildly he lands up on his ass, and makes himself look as big a mug as you are like Tyson did. I am not interested in your feeble excuses for Tyson falling over like a dickhead whilst trying to hit his opponent, or indeed that useless opponent beating a 43 year old Foreman. Now go on and show your level of stupidity by insisting that 31 year old Schmelling was " ageing " but 43 year old Foreman wasn't.

Glad you mentioned Spinks, so I will refer you to your own sewage about Lennox Lewis's courage for retiring aged 38. Now that boy Spinks definitely was a coward, who ran away from the game aged 31 in case he had to fight any other Heavyweights who could walk through him like a knife through butter. Spare me the garbage about his knees, cos I couldn't give a shitt.

Remind us again what were the results of Louis's 2 fights with Billy Conn? Then I will tell you that Spinks " might " have lasted as long as Conn did if he was lucky. Joe dealt quite efficiently with the guys he fought who weighed in at or around the Light Heavy limit, knocking them out.

Louis almost lost to a 171 pound fighter. He gets crushed.

[MrGuy]

Louis almost lost to a 171 pound fighter. He gets crushed.

Buster Douglas who could only ever dream of throwing fast accurate combinations as well as Joe Louis " almost lost " to a PRIME Tyson when he took that uppercut at the end of the 8th.

Remind us again of the result, only I was under the impression it was Douglas W KO 10.

He lost. No excuses. Now how could ATG Louis almost lose, to basically a super middleweight who didnt gain a pound? Great fighter, but would've been getting throttled in the Ali era.

[MrGuy]

Are you now claiming KO ing a guy twice isn't slaughtering him? Better yet are you claiming Tyson had the movement, or elusiveness of a S /Middleweight?

He almost lost. Never should've happened. Slaughtered? He didnt put him out until what....the 13th? Was actually losing. Thats like Spinks showing up on fight night against Tyson as a light heavy, and making him look bad.

[Kalan]

True.... Little teeny Billy Conn who weighed only 174 was boxing and punching Joe Louis's ass off for 12 rounds...

ATG Light Heavyweight Michael Spinks - who was THEE UNDEFEATED HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD at 6'2" X 212 got CRUSHED in 90 seconds FLAT by Tyson .... Michael Spinks would probably box rings around Louis... He was real clever like Conn, but one Hell of a lot bigger and stronger... Conn had many previous defeats -- Michael Spinks had NONE!!!

[MrGuy]

Do you 2 geniuses think perhaps the reason Conn lost fights is because he had 76 fights in 14 years, whereas the 2 bob Spinks only had 32 fights in 11 years.

Funnily enough it took the great Joe Louis to KO Conn in all of those fights.

Spinks only fought 3 Heavies, the ageing Holmes, the over rated one fight per year Gooney, and some Norwegian fisherman, before he shat himself in 90 seconds and ran like a thief in the night into gutless retirement. And you think something like that would have bothered Billy Conn, never mind Joe Louis.

Billy Conn would have tortured Spinks for his cowardice. How many punches did that piece of crap actually ATTEMPT to throw at Tyson? That has to be the most cowardly performance for the undisputed Heavyweight title in the history of the sport. Even the scared shittless Frank Bruno somehow contrived to make himself look brave in comparison.

And NO Kolon Spinks was NOT the undefeated Heavyweight Champion of the World. He was only Bobby Lee's version of it, and we all know what him and the " I was lying yesterday, but today I am telling the truth " Fagin piece of shite are / were worth.

Congrats Louis did something Hagler would've done.

[MrGuy]

In your worthless opinion.

No Middle / Light Heavy EVER KO'd Billy Conn yet you have Hagler who couldn't KO a pumped up Lightweight in Duran knocking Billy Conn out. In one of your first 5 nonsensical posts you used the word " dreamer " perhaps you spend a lot of time looking in mirrors.

Yeah from his era........dont let that distract you from the fact struggling against a 171 pounder proves he couldnt make it in the modern era.

[MrGuy]

In your worthless opinion.

No Middle / Light Heavy EVER KO'd Billy Conn yet you have Hagler who couldn't KO a pumped up Lightweight in Duran knocking Billy Conn out. In one of your first 5 nonsensical posts you used the word " dreamer " perhaps you spend a lot of time looking in mirrors.

Yeah from his era........dont let that distract you from the fact struggling against a 171 pounder proves he couldnt make it in the modern era.

Who are you waffling on about now? Hagler, Duran, Conn, or Louis. I only ask because you appear to be that thick you don't have much of a clue who you want to slag off next. If it is Louis you are talking out of your ass ( though that is to be expected ) as NO Heavyweight before or since was able to throw fast, accurate, powerful, combinations like him in his prime.

There is a reason he is considered to be either the best or 2nd best Heavyweight of all time, and believe me it isn't because he would be bothered by some lowlife rapist street mugger from Brooklyn.

He was a great fighter. He has no chance in a fight against Tyson. If you struggle against a 171 pound fighter, you aren't beating a 220 lb man with the best combo of speed and power ever in heavyweight history. He's considered as such for his accomplishments. Not mythical scenarios.

[Kalan]

Conn had many previous defeats -- Michael Spinks had NONE!!!

Yeah, I couldn't agree more with you Kolon. What a tosser Billy Conn must have been, eh? I mean losing fights on points to guys who had had more than double the amount of fights he'd had. Inexcusable.

Fu^&*in idiot.

Talking to yourself Old-n-Moldie?... That's a sign of insanity .... which you're in the late stages of, you vacuous nut case.

I feel so sorry for Conn being way over rmatched when he only had 44 and 49 fights... That's many more fights than Michael Spinks had in his whole career... But HALF of Spinks' 32 fights were World Light Heavyweight Title Fights and World Heavyweight Title Fights... He progressed faster than Conn.... When he fought Mike Tyson he was coming off of 15 World Title Fight victories in a row -- yet got flattened in 90 seconds... That was a good whack Mike put him out with.

Though he was little more than a Light Heavyweight Michael Spinks' victims include: ATG Heavyweight Champion Larry Holmes, 48-0.... Huge Heavyweight Gerry Cooney, 28-1 ..... and Eddie Mustafa Muhammad who had almost 3 times as many fights as Spinks ..... Yet seeing how Tyson and Spinks matched up physically??? .... It wasn't going to work.

Prime Louis was another little guy who would go quickly.... Light Heavyweight Champion Jose Torres thought Mike Tyson was going to be the greatest Heavyweight ever... "The speed and power are unreal."

[vostok]

But when met with someone like a Douglas a Lewis or a Holyfield it wasn't worth a cup of cold piss. .

İt wasn't worth a cup of what..?

1- Douglas was saved by the grace of that referee in that fight, last time I checked. He was counted out and lost the fight literally in the first place. Or.. that was a headbutt(!?) So, what kind of an ignorance is this...

2- vs. Lewis: İt was "washed-up" Tyson. This example only worths a cup of cold piss.

3- vs. Holyfield: Was not peak. Also styles makes fights, and Holyfield was Tyson's Kyriptonite..

I'm not a Tyson fan. But facts are facts.
And despite his inferior size, his accomplishments were outstanding.

Joe louis of that era: 6 or 7 out of 10 Tyson takes it.
Joe louis nowadays (hypothetical)version: 8 out of 10 Louis takes it.

[Crease]

Joe Louis vs. Mike Tyson - Who wins?

For me, it has to be Joe Louis.

Louis had the heart to fight on all day, Mike Tyson didn't. Louis were tear him apart with his short explosive hooks on the inside.

[Controversial]

Tyson and quick.

[bigjack]

Joe Louis vs. Mike Tyson - Who wins?

For me, it has to be Joe Louis.

Louis had the heart to fight on all day, Mike Tyson didn't. Louis were tear him apart with his short explosive hooks on the inside.

x2 ,Tyson was a bully who couldn't fight back and win.

[Ambling Alp II]

Joe Louis vs. Mike Tyson - Who wins?

For me, it has to be Joe Louis.

Louis had the heart to fight on all day, Mike Tyson didn't. Louis were tear him apart with his short explosive hooks on the inside.

x2 ,Tyson was a bully who couldn't fight back and win.

Except for when he did. The bully thing is silly.
He had his weaknesses, but it took a little more than standing up to him to be beat him.
Joe Louis was certainly capable of beating him. Yes he looked terrible against a small Billy Conn. He also destroyed several guys a lot bigger than Tyson.
You can't just pick one or two great or terrible performances of Louis or Tyson and think that tells you everything. You have look at the big picture. On a given night Tyson would win. More often than not, Louis would.

[Crease]

Joe Louis was certainly capable of beating him. Yes he looked terrible against a small Billy Conn.

Conn's performance was inspired.
It was one of the greatest performances ever put up by a Heavyweight Challenger.

[Crease]

You can't just pick one or two great or terrible performances of Louis or Tyson and think that tells you everything. You have look at the big picture.

On the whole I would agree with you...

However, we aren't merely talking about the Buster Douglas performance, look at the Holyfield fights as well. If you take the time to look throughout Tysons's career, the two main men who stood up to him were Douglas and Holyfield...

When Mike couldn't intimidate them, push them about or knock them out - he really was out of weapons to play with. And it's no great accident that both of those men defeated him in those fights.

[bigjack]

For me, it has to be Joe Louis.

Louis had the heart to fight on all day, Mike Tyson didn't. Louis were tear him apart with his short explosive hooks on the inside.

x2 ,Tyson was a bully who couldn't fight back and win.

Except for when he did. The bully thing is silly.
He had his weaknesses, but it took a little more than standing up to him to be beat him.
Joe Louis was certainly capable of beating him. Yes he looked terrible against a small Billy Conn. He also destroyed several guys a lot bigger than Tyson.
You can't just pick one or two great or terrible performances of Louis or Tyson and think that tells you everything. You have look at the big picture. On a given night Tyson would win. More often than not, Louis would.

Such as ?

[MrGuy]

But when met with someone like a Douglas a Lewis or a Holyfield it wasn't worth a cup of cold piss. .

İt wasn't worth a cup of what..?

1- Douglas was saved by the grace of that referee in that fight, last time I checked. He was counted out and lost the fight literally in the first place. Or.. that was a headbutt(!?) So, what kind of an ignorance is this...

2- vs. Lewis: İt was "washed-up" Tyson. This example only worths a cup of cold piss.

3- vs. Holyfield: Was not peak. Also styles makes fights, and Holyfield was Tyson's Kyriptonite..

I'm not a Tyson fan. But facts are facts.
And despite his inferior size, his accomplishments were outstanding.

Joe louis of that era: 6 or 7 out of 10 Tyson takes it.
Joe louis nowadays (hypothetical)version: 8 out of 10 Louis takes it.

Go to 8.30 of this clip. The decision is the referee did NOT err. I have less than zero interest in idiotic claims that Octavio Meyran somehow wanted to " save " Douglas. Controversy? Possibly. A mix up between the ref and the timekeeper? Perhaps.



But this conspiracy shite about Tyson being intentionally denied victory is pure bollox.

So I will ask you, exactly what skills you think Tyson had that could possibly bother either the greatest or 2nd greatest Heavyweight EVER? By the way if you believe Tyson was washed up when Lewis KO'd him, what the fuk does that make Joe when Marciano KO'd HIM?

And if Holy was Tyson's kryptonite what the hell does that make Williams and McBride, who were NEVER more than domestic level fighter at ANY time in their careers. For someone who claims not to be a tyson fan you are doing a pretty good job of acting like one, with all these half baked excuses for his defeats.

You do realize by the time he suffered those defeats later on, was a pro for close to 20 years. Louis is rated based on what he did. Not who he could beat. You laugh because Foreman lost to Young, but wont explain how Louis almost lost to what would now be a super middleweight.

[Kalan]

Tyson was no way in hell better conditioned than Marciano

Man this upset me

Mike Tyson of the Michael Spinks fight was in much better condition (at 218 with arms 3 X as big) for smashing true Heavyweights for... For instance, Tyson had the size, strength, speed, and boxing ability to beat the dog out of Razor Ruddock for 12 rounds.... And if Razor wanted to go 3 more rounds that would be no problem for the Iron Man.

Marciano had the size, strength, speed, and boxing ability (he lacked those attributes ) to possibly last 6 or 7 rounds with Ruddock before he was beaten half to death and the referee reluctantly calls a halt to the action

[Kalan]

You laugh because Foreman lost to Young, but wont explain how Louis almost lost to what would now be a super middleweight

MrGuy makes an excellent point above...

There WERE no Jimmy Young's in Louis's day.... No slicksters who were 210-plus... There was teeny tiny Billy Conn -- who was sadly lacking in size, strength, height, weight, reach, punch resistance, AND firepower. He was skilled that's all.

Yet Billy almost pulled a Max Schmeling... He had the chinny Louis stunned and going a couple times in the 13 rounds.

When Tyson fought an ATG 212-pound Light Heavyweight -- who was the unbeaten Lineal Heavyweight Champ???

People feared for Spinks's life.... As did Spinks apparently -- Whooooa BABY!!! .... It was "Dial M for MURDER!!!"

Unfortunately, Louis didn't go a super fast, rock-hard 218 -- like Iron Mike Tyson did at his best.

Billy Conn would have been a spot on the canvas inside of 30 seconds had he faced that version of Iron MIke.

[MrGuy]

You laugh because Foreman lost to Young, but wont explain how Louis almost lost to what would now be a super middleweight

MrGuy makes an excellent point above...

There WERE no Jimmy Young's in Louis's day.... No slicksters who were 210-plus... There was teeny tiny Billy Conn -- who was sadly lacking in size, strength, height, weight, reach, punch resistance, AND firepower. He was skilled that's all.

Yet Billy almost pulled a Max Schmeling... He had the chinny Louis stunned and going a couple times in the 13 rounds.

When Tyson fought an ATG 212-pound Light Heavyweight -- who was the unbeaten Lineal Heavyweight Champ???

People feared for Spinks's life.... As did Spinks apparently -- Whooooa BABY!!! .... It was "Dial M for MURDER!!!"

Unfortunately, Louis didn't go a super fast, rock-hard 218 -- like Iron Mike Tyson did at his best.

Billy Conn would have been a spot on the canvas inside of 30 seconds had he faced that version of Iron MIke.

I believe some feel its disrespectful to point this out. If this was Lewis or Tyson the laughter would never end.

[Ambling Alp II]

x2 ,Tyson was a bully who couldn't fight back and win.

Except for when he did. The bully thing is silly.
He had his weaknesses, but it took a little more than standing up to him to be beat him.
Joe Louis was certainly capable of beating him. Yes he looked terrible against a small Billy Conn. He also destroyed several guys a lot bigger than Tyson.
You can't just pick one or two great or terrible performances of Louis or Tyson and think that tells you everything. You have look at the big picture. On a given night Tyson would win. More often than not, Louis would.

Such as ?

Against Tucker, Thomas, Bruno, Ruddock. They didn't just come to simply take a beating or run or try to hold and just to survive. They gave what they had. They were good though not great fighters. They just weren't good enough.
Of course Joe Louis is another story.

[bigjack]

Except for when he did. The bully thing is silly.
He had his weaknesses, but it took a little more than standing up to him to be beat him.
Joe Louis was certainly capable of beating him. Yes he looked terrible against a small Billy Conn. He also destroyed several guys a lot bigger than Tyson.
You can't just pick one or two great or terrible performances of Louis or Tyson and think that tells you everything. You have look at the big picture. On a given night Tyson would win. More often than not, Louis would.

Such as ?

Against Tucker, Thomas, Bruno, Ruddock. They didn't just come to simply take a beating or run or try to hold and just to survive. They gave what they had. They were good though not great fighters. They just weren't good enough.
Of course Joe Louis is another story.

I'll give you Ruddock but the rest i can't agree with,Tucker boxed beautifully as did Thomas for a while but they hardly tried to rough him up or back him up,they just went through the motions to avoid getting ko'd,which worked for some of them.

[Controversial]

Louis too small, in his best years he was around 14 1/2 stone.

40 of his opponents weighed between 12.5 and 13.13 stone.

Sometimes size makes a big difference and it would against someone who punched like Tyson. Tyson was bigger, faster, stronger, the harder puncher and he had a better chin than Louis. I can't see how he could lose.

[Kalan]

Louis too small, in his best years he was around 14 1/2 stone.

40 of his opponents weighed between 12.5 and 13.13 stone.

Sometimes size makes a big difference and it would against someone who punched like Tyson. Tyson was bigger, faster, stronger, the harder puncher and he had a better chin than Louis. I can't see how he could lose.

Very good post.... Prime 21-year-old Mike Tyson murders Joe Louis.

I'd like to know of somebody else who stopped Larry Holmes during his career.... 4 rounds.... BOOM he's gone.