Tommy Burns against modern Heavyweights

[MrGuy]

You're entitled to your opinion. But this is one of the worst eras ever. If it was one of thr best, where are all the great fighters and fights since Lewis retired?

Many are better than Lewis... Lewis was knocked out by Rahman and McCall.... The K Bros and Joshua are definitely technically better and better athletes... Losing on cuts when you're winning on all cards doesn't mean you can't box.

Where were the greats when pudgy Joe Frazier was knocking over 190-pound Dave Zyglewictz and Terry Daniels???

When Joe fought his FIRST big, tall, strong, rock hard, big punching opponent -- he got smashed out quickly...

Super Stars Joe: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPk2zl5s6xM

Couldnt stand Lewis. But he was much better than Joshua or either Klitschko. Perhaps better athletes. But not better fighters. Bench pressing a truck wont make you a better fighter.You mean that era where Ali, Foreman, Holmes, Frazier, Norton, and Lyle fought? Both Klitschkos and Joshua all get smashed out by prime Foreman.

[MrGuy]

Frazier wouldn't be in the running today... A short little, wide open, walk-in hooker??? ... I knew Foreman was going to plow him a new one.

The guys you see now aren't on the level of Foreman. Not close.. Unless these guys were allowed to jab and grab, Frazier mows most down with no problem

Total horsepucky!!! Ali was wide open for left hooks and that’s the reason Flabby Frazier beat him... Ali made a lot of technical errors and mistakes.... One of them was pulling straight back from left hooks.... Amos Johnson kicked his ass in the Pan Am Trials... Norton broke Ali’s jaw... Cooper, Frazier, and Banks all decked him… ALL of that with left hooks.

Frazier was a virtual punching bag for Foreman... His wind up hook didn't bother George... The only thing Joe had for his era was size, strength, and resistance.. He smashed a lot of little teeny guys and a few fat ones.. George Foreman was a colossus for his era.. Standing 6'3" X 217 versus a ridiculously FAT 5’11 X 214 Frazier.. Today George would be small.

Frazier did a great imitation of an over inflated basketball, bouncing up and down off the floor taking tons of punches from Foreman, who wasn't even a good boxer as little Jimmy Young beat him... Look at Jimmy Young's record if you think he was real good...All Joshua would have to do is smash Frazier like a chubby little roach with one terrific right..

Joe was wide open.. Frazier was scared out of his wits versus bigger and stronger Foreman… Joe never fought anyone with Joshua's combination of height, weight, reach, strength, punching power, and speed.... Joshua finished 1st in the sprints in Super Stars Competition and Frazier finished dead last… Joshua is a fantastic athlete at 6'6" X 250.

Joshua easily won the combined events of the Super Stars Competition -- while pathetic athlete Frazier finished in last place overall.... He was the joke of the Century. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPk2zl5s6xM

[Kalan]

The guys you see now aren't on the level of Foreman. Not close.. Unless these guys were allowed to jab and grab, Frazier mows most down with no problem

Total horsepucky!!! Ali was wide open for left hooks and that’s the reason Flabby Frazier beat him... Ali made a lot of technical errors and mistakes.... One of them was pulling straight back from left hooks.... Amos Johnson kicked his ass in the Pan Am Trials... Norton broke Ali’s jaw... Cooper, Frazier, and Banks all decked him… ALL of that with left hooks.

Frazier was a virtual punching bag for Foreman... His wind up hook didn't bother George... The only thing Joe had for his era was size, strength, and resistance.. He smashed a lot of little teeny guys and a few fat ones.. George Foreman was a colossus for his era.. Standing 6'3" X 217 versus a ridiculously FAT 5’11 X 214 Frazier.. Today George would be small.

Frazier did a great imitation of an over inflated basketball, bouncing up and down off the floor taking tons of punches from Foreman, who wasn't even a good boxer as little Jimmy Young beat him... Look at Jimmy Young's record if you think he was real good...All Joshua would have to do is smash Frazier like a chubby little roach with one terrific right..

Joe was wide open.. Frazier was scared out of his wits versus bigger and stronger Foreman… Joe never fought anyone with Joshua's combination of height, weight, reach, strength, punching power, and speed.... Joshua finished 1st in the sprints in Super Stars Competition and Frazier finished dead last… Joshua is a fantastic athlete at 6'6" X 250.

Joshua easily won the combined events of the Super Stars Competition -- while pathetic athlete Frazier finished in last place overall.... He was the joke of the Century. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPk2zl5s6xM

Superstars has nothing to do with boxing. These guys are to big now. Its all jab and grab. Most agree since Lewis and Holyfield left, the division has been dreadful. Young stayed in boxing well past his best days for the money. Hence his horrible record. Nobody said Ali and Frazier were perfect. Ali took many of those fights well past his prime and still won. You seem to believe as they've grown more ponderous, they've become better.

Jab and grab???? .... Muhammad Ali set the world record for grabbing in the 1st round of the Foreman fight....

Ali grabbed Foreman 20 times in the 1st round - it included flagrant wrestling and shoving his head down.... Ali owned the referee....Disgraceful... When have you ever seen Joshua grab as much as Ali grabbed??? Ali grabbed and held Frazier 10 times as often in Ali-Frazier 2 as Joshua and Klitschko grabbed all night in their ATG Heavyweight Title Fight.... They were in great condition and super powerful -- AJ doesn't let people grab ....

And ponderous???? .... You mean as ponderous as George Chuvalo??? .... Oscar Bonavena???.... Karl Mildenberger??? Brian London??? .... Rickard Dunn??? .... Al "Blue" Lewis??? .... Mac Foster??? .... Chuck Wepner??? .... Cleveland Williams??? .... Manuel Ramos???.... Charlie Powell??? .... Ernie Terrell??? ..... Duane Bobick???

The 60's and 70's cornered the market on slow, ponderous, swingers.... Whereas prime Wladimir and Joshua were fast, mobile and skilled.... Wladimir has many stance and defensive issues until he got with great trainer Emmanuel Steward... After a couple of years with Steward he was unstoppable... Guys like Ali and Frazier never did learn to defend themselves well and got beaten up when their game was as good as it was gonna get!!!! Poor guys... They got wasted.

[APerno]

Joe never fought anyone with Joshua's combination of height, weight, reach, strength, punching power, and speed.... Joshua finished 1st in the sprints in Super Stars Competition and Frazier finished dead last… Joshua is a fantastic athlete at 6'6" X 250.

. . . Super Stars Competition -- while pathetic athlete Frazier finished in last place overall.... He was the joke of the Century.

If Anthony Joshua was around in 1971 he wouldn't have been that big you know that; or in reverse, today Frazier would be a much bigger man. In 1971 the average size of an offensive lineman (NFL) was between 220-250 - today they are 250-320, same applies to today's fighters.

Super Star Competition = Iron man Competition ??? - Is that the one where Frazier almost drowned? - You shouldn't pick on poor Joe Frazier; the man couldn't swim. - It was fornicating funny as hell, funny that is until he (actually) almost drowned. That's why he finished last in that competition (if that is the one you are referring to), they had to pull him out oft he water. Everyone else was already on their bicycles and racing, but 'Smoking Joe" was busy going down for the third time when they pulled him out.

[Kalan]

Super Star Competition = Iron man Competition ??? - Is that the one where Frazier almost drowned?You shouldn't pick on poor Joe Frazier; the man couldn't swim. - It was effing funny as hell, funny that is until he (actually) almost drowned. That's why he finished last in that competition (if that is the one you are referring to), they had to pull him out oft he water. Everyone else was already on their bicycles and racing, but 'Smoking Joe" was busy going down for the third time when they pulled him out

No it wasn't an Iron Man competition.... Nobody had to hop on a bicycle after their extremely short swim in a pool that was half Olympic size... Frazier took swimming lessons before hand so you can see why he stepped so confidently on the platform... His confidence died 15 meters into the swim when everybody blew him away like rabbits racing a turtle.... Racing pools are 50 meters, but this pool was only 25 meters.....and it was only 2 laps of the pool which all those non-swimmers were grateful for... Everybody would have had a heart attack... Anthony Joshua does his conditioning swims in a 50 meter pool...

Here's Joe Frazier swimming....but don't look at that one again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPk2zl5s6xM

Here's Joe Frazier sprinting.....which he also finishes dead last: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTKDDTI36yE

Pick it up at 1:20 for the introductions.

Of course he also lost the weight lifting competition to skinny Bob Seagren... Frazier couldn't press 170 pounds.

[Cojimar 1946]

In the 70s Foreman was generally bigger and stronger than his opponents That wouldn't be the case against Joshua. How is Foreman going to deal with a bigger, stronger opponent with skills. Did he fight anyone with Joshua's power?

[Contendeh]

Tommy Burns could win a belt in today’s day and age.

He could do it almost exactly the same way he did it in 1906.

1. A dominant champion retires and is no longer on the scene.

2. A sanctioning body holds a title fight between two guys who are highly ranked within their own body, but not the best heavyweights out there (think axel Schulz and Botha).
One of these guys wins and is now champ.
3. This guy then takes burns as his first defense.
He comes in out of shape and undertrained because he thinks Burns is a walkover.

4. Burns wins the decision. He then cherry picks an opponent, we’ll call him Crawford Grimsley, and beats him a year later.
He gets stripped of his belt, but is still a draw, because just like in 1908 Burns has a real talent for self promotion and making money.

A year after that, he loses badly for a lot of money to the best guy out there.

It’s not impossible.