Where you rate Luis Ortiz

[candyslim]

I'd have him 3rd behind Joshua and Wilder. It's difficult to know if he is still worth that ranking. He looked poor against Scott and Allen but devastating against Jennings before that.

If Wilder destroys him many will say it's because Ortiz got old. That's what we were saying would happen before Joshua fought Klitschko but that turned out to be a great fight, and old Wlad got a lot of credit for his performance. Hopefully Wilder v Ortiz goes the same way.

I know Wilder fans feel he has been unfairly treated and is doomed to get little credit no matter what he does, but that is largely the fault of his management team. He has been a pro for nine years and has had nearly forty fights. There were endless opportunities for Deontay to earn respect and build a legacy, but now those opponents have either retired or are likely to in the next year or so. Many will argue it wasn't his fault the two best possible opponents were stopped from fighting him.

At this point there are probably around ten fighters who would start favourite to beat anyone Wilder has fought so far in his career if they were to fight tomorrow. That is embarrassing. Ortiz is near the front of that queue (second behind Joshua in my opinion) so Wilder will get credit from me win or lose, for taking that fight if it goes ahead. He'd have got a lot more credit if he'd fought him two years ago though.

I like Deontay. He is the most exciting fighter in the division bar none. You won't hear me bitching about how he "don't get no respect" though, because it was always in his own hands to change that, and now he's paying the price for not bothering to.

[jamamb]

well you rate deontay #2 so how bad has his opposition really been

[candyslim]

I rate him number two because he is unquestionably the biggest threat to Anthony Joshua by virtue of his awesome right hand. Also he is the WBC champion. His resume sucks though there's no getting away from it.

[IronFrost]

I rate him number two because he is unquestionably the biggest threat to Anthony Joshua by virtue of his awesome right hand. Also he is the WBC champion. His resume sucks though there's no getting away from it.

His resume is just ok for WBC haha. If we look at Vitali Klitschko or Adonis Stevenson and their joke defences

[Cent0089]

I was very impressed by him when he beat Bryant Jennings. in recent fights ive realized how SLOW he is. Rooting for him against Wilder, but at 40 years age it will be probably too much for him

[Badhusker]

I'd have him 3rd behind Joshua and Wilder. It's difficult to know if he is still worth that ranking. He looked poor against Scott and Allen but devastating against Jennings before that.

If Wilder destroys him many will say it's because Ortiz got old. That's what we were saying would happen before Joshua fought Klitschko but that turned out to be a great fight, and old Wlad got a lot of credit for his performance. Hopefully Wilder v Ortiz goes the same way.

I know Wilder fans feel he has been unfairly treated and is doomed to get little credit no matter what he does, but that is largely the fault of his management team. He has been a pro for nine years and has had nearly forty fights. There were endless opportunities for Deontay to earn respect and build a legacy, but now those opponents have either retired or are likely to in the next year or so. Many will argue it wasn't his fault the two best possible opponents were stopped from fighting him.

At this point there are probably around ten fighters who would start favourite to beat anyone Wilder has fought so far in his career if they were to fight tomorrow. That is embarrassing. Ortiz is near the front of that queue (second behind Joshua in my opinion) so Wilder will get credit from me win or lose, for taking that fight if it goes ahead. He'd have got a lot more credit if he'd fought him two years ago though.

I like Deontay. He is the most exciting fighter in the division bar none. You won't hear me bitching about how he "don't get no respect" though, because it was always in his own hands to change that, and now he's paying the price for not bothering to.

It wasn't "in his hands" that the fights between Ortiz and Povetkin got cancelled. If he would have those on his resume, it would make a solid argument his resume is better than AJ's. The only fight I know of that he turned down was the Whyte offer, and now he is fighting Ortiz I would not fault him for that.

[northern]

I'd probably rate him around the number 5 spot and at worst maybe 7th in the world right now.

I admit I'm biased towards the champions since arguably they are at the top of the list. so Joshua 1st, Wilder 2nd, Parker 3rd.
Past them Povetkin seems like the next in line (4th) for the top spots since he hasn't lost since he fought Wladimir Klitschko, so really he's earned his chance.
After that Ortiz is up there, he did well in his come back fight at the end of 2017 but it depends on how you view him in comparison when you take into account people like Jarrell Miller who's still undefeated and then you have Dominic Breazeale and Dillian Whyte who've both come back well since the first losses of their careers against Anthony Joshua.

All the same he's still a good contender much like Pulev is but he (pulev) keeps falling out of the big fights where he can prove he has what it takes to be a world beater. Then the Nearly men like Charles Martin, Christian Hammer, Carlos Takam and Johann Duhaupas always seem to be around there and just about get there but they never do enough to stay at the top or beat the best.
Up and comers like Agit Kabayel, Junlong Zhang and Adam Kownacki are on their way but i'd say it's too early for any to be pushed to the world stage yet

[jewboypgh]

Hard to tell where he's at. That last bum that he fought from West Virginia shouldn't really qualify as an opponent.
That was a disgraceful fight

It was simply meant to be a get-the-rust off, showcase fight for Ortiz.

It wasn't designed to be a competitive matchup.

You see that in boxing all the time.

Pepino, it was a disgraceful fight. That bum from WV couldn’t even throw a punch properly. Hus trainer should be tarred and feathered in a public square. How could you possibly justify that? Your probably one of them obama supporters who think every kid needs a trophy . Regardless whether or not the win or loose

[Freedom2013]

Luis Ortiz was very strong a few years ago, perhaps due to use of PEDs.

But he hasn't looked as good in his past few fights, his age is obviously catching up to him. He's 38, some say he's even older than that.

Wilder was afraid of him after he saw Ortiz KO Jennings, but he may fight him now.

[candyslim]

I'd have him 3rd behind Joshua and Wilder. It's difficult to know if he is still worth that ranking. He looked poor against Scott and Allen but devastating against Jennings before that.

If Wilder destroys him many will say it's because Ortiz got old. That's what we were saying would happen before Joshua fought Klitschko but that turned out to be a great fight, and old Wlad got a lot of credit for his performance. Hopefully Wilder v Ortiz goes the same way.

I know Wilder fans feel he has been unfairly treated and is doomed to get little credit no matter what he does, but that is largely the fault of his management team. He has been a pro for nine years and has had nearly forty fights. There were endless opportunities for Deontay to earn respect and build a legacy, but now those opponents have either retired or are likely to in the next year or so. Many will argue it wasn't his fault the two best possible opponents were stopped from fighting him.

At this point there are probably around ten fighters who would start favourite to beat anyone Wilder has fought so far in his career if they were to fight tomorrow. That is embarrassing. Ortiz is near the front of that queue (second behind Joshua in my opinion) so Wilder will get credit from me win or lose, for taking that fight if it goes ahead. He'd have got a lot more credit if he'd fought him two years ago though.

I like Deontay. He is the most exciting fighter in the division bar none. You won't hear me bitching about how he "don't get no respect" though, because it was always in his own hands to change that, and now he's paying the price for not bothering to.

It wasn't "in his hands" that the fights between Ortiz and Povetkin got cancelled. If he would have those on his resume, it would make a solid argument his resume is better than AJ's. The only fight I know of that he turned down was the Whyte offer, and now he is fighting Ortiz I would not fault him for that.

Woulda , coulda, shoulda. You cannot bulk up his resume by including fights which did not happen, and which if they had happened, he may not have won anyway. I did cover this point that many would say it wasn't his fault, but that's two fights out of nine years. It's really not impressive.

Let's see if the Ortiz fight goes ahead this time before we start showering him with kudos. All I want is to see him in a meaningful test.

[candyslim]

I rate him number two because he is unquestionably the biggest threat to Anthony Joshua by virtue of his awesome right hand. Also he is the WBC champion. His resume sucks though there's no getting away from it.

His resume is just ok for WBC haha. If we look at Vitali Klitschko or Adonis Stevenson and their joke defences

Yes well Stiverne's resume was ok for the WBC. Enough said !

[Badhusker]

I'd have him 3rd behind Joshua and Wilder. It's difficult to know if he is still worth that ranking. He looked poor against Scott and Allen but devastating against Jennings before that.

If Wilder destroys him many will say it's because Ortiz got old. That's what we were saying would happen before Joshua fought Klitschko but that turned out to be a great fight, and old Wlad got a lot of credit for his performance. Hopefully Wilder v Ortiz goes the same way.

I know Wilder fans feel he has been unfairly treated and is doomed to get little credit no matter what he does, but that is largely the fault of his management team. He has been a pro for nine years and has had nearly forty fights. There were endless opportunities for Deontay to earn respect and build a legacy, but now those opponents have either retired or are likely to in the next year or so. Many will argue it wasn't his fault the two best possible opponents were stopped from fighting him.

At this point there are probably around ten fighters who would start favourite to beat anyone Wilder has fought so far in his career if they were to fight tomorrow. That is embarrassing. Ortiz is near the front of that queue (second behind Joshua in my opinion) so Wilder will get credit from me win or lose, for taking that fight if it goes ahead. He'd have got a lot more credit if he'd fought him two years ago though.

I like Deontay. He is the most exciting fighter in the division bar none. You won't hear me bitching about how he "don't get no respect" though, because it was always in his own hands to change that, and now he's paying the price for not bothering to.

It wasn't "in his hands" that the fights between Ortiz and Povetkin got cancelled. If he would have those on his resume, it would make a solid argument his resume is better than AJ's. The only fight I know of that he turned down was the Whyte offer, and now he is fighting Ortiz I would not fault him for that.

Woulda , coulda, shoulda. You cannot bulk up his resume by including fights which did not happen, and which if they had happened, he may not have won anyway. I did cover this point that many would say it wasn't his fault, but that's two fights out of nine years. It's really not impressive.

Let's see if the Ortiz fight goes ahead this time before we start showering him with kudos. All I want is to see him in a meaningful test.

I am not trying to "bulk up his resume". Far from it. I made a simple point that some of his fights that didn't happen were not all "in his hands". Two broken hands, three fights cancelled due to the opponent failing the drug test were cause for lesser opponents because of replacements or short notice. I also pointed out him not turning down fights. Why is it none of the top guys want to fight him? Aside from things beyond his control, (about 5 fights) I have never thought his over-all resume was good. Regardless, your tired ass hypocritical rhetoric regarding Wilder goes on and on with no end in sight.

Time to put you in with your psycho idiot cronies on ignore. They are probably needing a new pivot man. I love debating boxing, but not the same crap over and over and over.

[candyslim]

Please do. It should save me having to repeat myself ad nauseam, when you come over all butt-hurt anytime anyone is not sufficiently worshipful of the man of whom you cannot bear to endure even the mildest criticism.

You remind me of a woman I work with. One soon learns not to suggest that Bono isn't God's representative on Earth.