who has the worst most bias HATER fans?

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 14 Apr 2006, 13:03

who would you say?

mattyp151 · Post by **mattyp151** » 14 Apr 2006, 13:13

Right now I'd say Floyd has the worst hater fans. With the coming of the internet and the overflow of information in which we can get ahold of, people have more and more ammo to fuel their fire.

People can find out almost every little thing about a fighter almost immediately, whereas years ago, it may not come out till months, maybe years later.

People take the instant info and use it as quickly as they can to increase the strength of their stance, and it borders on ridiculous.

All time, I think Ali haters are pretty bad because they have very little ammo and most of it is regarded with the Viet Nam War. People don't question his in ring ability, or anything else about him outside of his draft dodging.

pundit · Post by **pundit** » 14 Apr 2006, 13:14

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:who would you say?

Do you mean "which boxer attracts the most hate by some boxing fans" or "the fans of which boxer tend to hate other boxers the most"?

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BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 14 Apr 2006, 13:15

pundit wrote:
BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:who would you say?
Do you mean "which boxer attracts the most hate by some boxing fans" or "the fans of which boxer tend to hate other boxers the most"?

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how bout both

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 14 Apr 2006, 23:35

I don't think Marciano is hated at all. Alot of people think he's a bit overrated, but that's not the same.

Nowdays I'd say it's Leonard. in the 60's-70's it was Ali hands down.

Mike Tyson needs to be put in a special category, because I believe you can say he's a loathsome individual without being hateful.

jezzamundo · Post by **jezzamundo** » 15 Apr 2006, 03:23

Mike Tyson needs to be put in a special category, because I believe you can say he's a loathsome individual without being hateful.

SCREW YOU! I happen to personally know mike, and he happens to be quite lovely. As a matter of fact he is quite partial to cute things like kittens and puppies, doesn't like mean people, and is completely against the clubbing of baby seals. Does that sound like a loathsome individual to you? Of course not!

Only joking, actually I though that was rather well said! Anyway, mike probably does like to club baby seals for all I know. To find out more visit:

http://www.clubbinwithmike.com

thunderfromdownunder · Post by **thunderfromdownunder** » 15 Apr 2006, 23:41

Hey Brock, weres the option for poor Lennox Lewis, he by far has the most bias hater fans

sockdolager · Post by **sockdolager** » 16 Apr 2006, 00:12

thunderfromdownunder wrote:Hey Brock, weres the option for poor Lennox Lewis, he by far has the most bias hater fans

he has alot, but I dont think he has as many as Marciano or Tyson.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 16 Apr 2006, 00:29

as for rocky marciano............

There is a clique on the web who practicaly cant deal with his unbeaten record. The amount thrown at this seemingly inoffensive man is unbeleivable.

BoxBuzz · Post by **BoxBuzz** » 16 Apr 2006, 08:49

Hey BB I sure hope you don't count me as a Rock antagonist, and I'm thinking there really aren't that many that have a dislike for him.

I just put up a little noticed thread regarding him and Valuev and I thought if you were right some people would latch on and start...but with only one reply and it being pro Rocky, I'm not sure your point is valid.

I'd love to get your analysis on the fight, because as much as I like the Rock I might need imagination as to how he brings down a lumbering guy with that long of a jab. I'm not sayin Valuev beats him I'm just saying I'd like to hear the best fight plans of both fighters, and then think about it.

I suppose I could have just as easily put Carnera in Valuev's place but I think Valuev is better than Carnera so I thought it would be more competitive. At any rate the size issue is even greater and made for more dramatic effect. I have no difficulty seeing the Rock bringing down Carnera, but for some reason have a greater struggle with the Rock/Beast equation.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 16 Apr 2006, 10:04

im not saying you boxybuzz, but people like tiger promet.

heres my take on valuev -marciano..........

marciano in his fights shows he can hit you anywhere. he broke lastarzas arms. marciano will completley use valuev's arms and body as a target and will wail away on them like a punching bag. marciano will not be getting hit by valuev that much, because marciano will get in that low crouch defense making it near impossible for valuev to hit him. its easier to punch up than down, and in valuevs case rocky will make him bend down and punch at angles hes never had to before, and it will make valuev way offf balance and open for a huge counterpunch. marciano rolled, weaved, slipped, ducked in his crouch and valuev will have an awful hard time hitting the rock. marciano on the other hand could punch from the crouch, and he had a killer leaping left hook which will land on valuev who will be bending over trying to hit marciano. marciano will viciously attack valuev's body the whole fight and occasionally landing the head shots when valuev bends down low and misses leaving his head out there. marciano was able to parry a balazing fast jersey joe walcotts jab, marciano will have no trouble avoiding a deathly slow valuev jab. master boxer sharp shootists like moore, charles, walcott had trouble hitting the rock with a clean punch. i doubt valuev will who never had to punch down before, or bend down and throw punches at wierd angles that i dont think hes coordinated enough to do. marciano on the other hand was always used to throwing punches at bizarre interior angles. marciano's volume of punches, power will completley take its toll on valuev and i expect a marciano leaping left hook to possibly drop valuev. beat the body and the head goes down with it. rocky punches with increible leverage that i never seen before. he got his whole body weight into punches. on the other hand valuev had no leverage and throws girly arm punches that have nowhere near the power to snap of rockys punches. valuev wont even be able to keep up his arms after marciano hammers them for 10 rounds.

marciano late round stoppage

valuev's by far bigger than any man marciano fought but marciano showed he was able to knock out a 6'4 254lb man with 1 right hand and he had no problems whats so ever with 6'5 220lb johnny skhor a rough and tough journeyman who was by no means a bum. right befor facing rocky, skhor had beaten contender rusty payne. shkor was beaten so badly in 6 rounds that he never fought again.

rocky's overcome reach deficiencies his whole career. valuev has an 85" reach, not so long for a 7' man. rocky faced guys with very long reach before. carmine vingo's reach was over 80".

Seamus · Post by **Seamus** » 16 Apr 2006, 11:16

I haven't really noticed more than one Marciano hater on this forum. I guess it comes down to what you define a hater as. I'll stand by my firm belief that Rocky is overrated based on the fact that in his first 35 fights he faced just one quality opponent, and that guy took him to a split decision. The rest of those guys on avg were pretty soft. But personally I have no complaints about what Marciano did in and out of the ring, certainly nothing I could hate him for.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 · Post by **BrocktonBlockbuster49** » 16 Apr 2006, 11:30

Seamus wrote:I haven't really noticed more than one Marciano hater on this forum. I guess it comes down to what you define a hater as. I'll stand by my firm belief that Rocky is overrated based on the fact that in his first 35 fights he faced just one quality opponent, and that guy took him to a split decision. The rest of those guys on avg were pretty soft. But personally I have no complaints about what Marciano did in and out of the ring, certainly nothing I could hate him for.

marciano took up boxing very late and had virtually no experience. goldman didnt even start to train rocky until rocky's 10th pro bout. you do know in rocky's first pro fights he was thrown into the wolves and had to fight big time prospects and despite being a huge underdog rocky won. rocky was the underdog in most of his early fights, yet won. "what people dont realize is rocky could have easily lost anyone of his early bouts."- sam silverman

rocky needed to gain some experience before they sent him in vs contenders. he needed some time to work with charlie goldman, thats why in his first 35 bouts he didnt face many names.

however outside of lastarza he did face some solid journeyman/huge prosepcts like

eddie ross
johnny skhor
tiger ted lowry
big bill wilson
keene simmons
phil muscato
carmine vingo

all these guys were fair fighters, some were fringe contenders

but still, rocky beat the best contenders out there pre title to earn his title shot. so should we really hold it against him for not facing many quality opponents in his first 35 fights considering rockys lack of experience ?

sure rocky had holes in his record. he did not beat a good list of depth like other heavyweight champs did. he probably could have fought a couple less tomato cans and a little more contenders, but fact is he beats the best contenders out there pre title and as champion. what more can u expect?

george foreman who had far more experience than marciano feasted on crap in his first 35 bouts, do u hold this against him?

ferroz · Post by **ferroz** » 16 Apr 2006, 23:48

I think it's Lennox Lewis and Roy Jones jr. For they have accomplished they just don't get a break and the haters always find something to nag about.

Grimm · Post by **Grimm** » 17 Apr 2006, 01:07

Lennox Lewis has to have the worst.

Migz · Post by **Migz** » 17 Apr 2006, 04:36

For todays boxers im gonna say Floyd, Judah and in Australia (were im from) Mundine , these fighters attract alot of hate by the boxing fans im also gonna say Vargas but thats only because i cant stand the guy

how about Mayorga???

generic screen name · Post by **generic screen name** » 18 Apr 2006, 00:53

the all-time undisputed most hated man ever in the history of boxing is JOHN RUIZ, not even people from massachusetts like him (like me), or anybody in the world in that matter

Migz · Post by **Migz** » 18 Apr 2006, 01:06

generic screen name wrote:the all-time undisputed most hated man ever in the history of boxing is JOHN RUIZ, not even people from massachusetts like him (like me), or anybody in the world in that matter

i compltely agree with that RUIZ is the most hated boxer in present and past by him losing his title to Valuev its hard to see him as champ again and i personally see a bit of that due to his popularity to the boxing public

barry · Post by **barry** » 18 Apr 2006, 03:40

Ruiz without a doubt...though he is one of the few that truly deserves it.

generic screen name · Post by **generic screen name** » 18 Apr 2006, 08:36

barry wrote:Ruiz without a doubt...though he is one of the few that truly deserves it.

Truer words were never spoken....

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