MrGuy wrote: ↑07 Jan 2018, 06:44
Any title holder not named V. Klitschko since Lewis retired.
LOL. Wlad, Haye, Byrd, Ibragimov, Joshua are worse than Seldon in your opinion?
Outside the elder Kitschko the guys since Lewis have been dreadful. . Nationalism wont keep me from saying Seldon was bad. Just like it shouldn't keep anyone from across the pond from acknowledging other than Vitali, things have been awful.
Awful? Byrd beat in shape Tua, old Holyfield and Vitali (he was losing on points, yes, but so was Lewis against Vitali). Wlad dominated the division for a decade and beat a lot of good (though not great) fighters.
Boxing Writer wrote: ↑07 Jan 2018, 07:12
LOL. Wlad, Haye, Byrd, Ibragimov, Joshua are worse than Seldon in your opinion?
Outside the elder Kitschko the guys since Lewis have been dreadful. . Nationalism wont keep me from saying Seldon was bad. Just like it shouldn't keep anyone from across the pond from acknowledging other than Vitali, things have been awful.
Awful? Byrd beat in shape Tua, old Holyfield and Vitali (he was losing on points, yes, but so was Lewis against Vitali). Wlad dominated the division for a decade and beat a lot of good (though not great) fighters.
Byrd did beat Tua. Why would old Holyfield even count? Vitali was winning easily, but retired due to a torn triceps. Wlad had skill. But during his best years got sparked by 3 forgettable fighters. After that Steward ruined him by turning a once skilled fighter, into a jab and grab guy. I just dont think his losses, change in style, and lack of good competition help him.
MrGuy wrote: ↑07 Jan 2018, 07:23
Outside the elder Kitschko the guys since Lewis have been dreadful. . Nationalism wont keep me from saying Seldon was bad. Just like it shouldn't keep anyone from across the pond from acknowledging other than Vitali, things have been awful.
Awful? Byrd beat in shape Tua, old Holyfield and Vitali (he was losing on points, yes, but so was Lewis against Vitali). Wlad dominated the division for a decade and beat a lot of good (though not great) fighters.
Byrd did beat Tua. Why would old Holyfield even count? Vitali was winning easily, but retired due to a torn triceps. Wlad had skill. But during his best years got sparked by 3 forgettable fighters. After that Steward ruined him by turning a once skilled fighter, into a jab and grab guy. I just dont think his losses, change in style, and lack of good competition help him.
Wlad lost to Puritty long before his prime. And Dempsey was also beaten by forgettable fighters...
Boxing Writer wrote: ↑07 Jan 2018, 07:39
Awful? Byrd beat in shape Tua, old Holyfield and Vitali (he was losing on points, yes, but so was Lewis against Vitali). Wlad dominated the division for a decade and beat a lot of good (though not great) fighters.
Byrd did beat Tua. Why would old Holyfield even count? Vitali was winning easily, but retired due to a torn triceps. Wlad had skill. But during his best years got sparked by 3 forgettable fighters. After that Steward ruined him by turning a once skilled fighter, into a jab and grab guy. I just dont think his losses, change in style, and lack of good competition help him.
Wlad lost to Puritty long before his prime. And Dempsey was also beaten by forgettable fighters...
Point taken. . But he was starched by a nondescript group of fighters long before he fell off. After that his style changed to a good deal of clinching and leaning down on guys. He wasnt bad. Just nothing special.